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It's not that I'm incapable of tracking it all; it's just that I don't gain enjoyment from having to do so. Star Wars is easier, especially now under the Story Group. "Is this canonical, Y/N?" Is all you have to keep track of
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Aug 3, 2018 15:16
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you could just ignore canon, like a normal person
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Aug 3, 2018 15:16
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Nebalebadingdong posted:you can just ignore canon, like a normal person Pretty sure normal people understand how a continuity works. Millions of moviegoers went to Infinity War knowing that it was canonical with Iron Man through Black Panther. Millions of moviegoers went to Episode VIII knowing that Episodes I thru VII are in the same continuity.
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Aug 3, 2018 15:17
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jivjov posted:It's not that I'm incapable of tracking it all; it's just that I don't gain enjoyment from having to do so. Star Wars is easier, especially now under the Story Group. "Is this canonical, Y/N?" Is all you have to keep track of glad she is dead posted:I'm still tickled pink that this hard nosed atheist is actually the most religious guy on the forums and doesn't even realise it.
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Aug 3, 2018 15:18
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jivjov posted:Pretty sure normal people understand how a continuity works. Millions of moviegoers went to Infinity War knowing that it was canonical with Iron Man through Black Panther. Millions of moviegoers went to Episode VIII knowing that Episodes I thru VII are in the same continuity. continuity and canon are not the same thing, just like narrative and canon are not the same thing. im under the impression that you think a story is a timeline
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Aug 3, 2018 15:21
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jivjov posted:Pretty sure normal people understand how a continuity works. Millions of moviegoers went to Infinity War knowing that it was canonical with Iron Man through Black Panther. Millions of moviegoers went to Episode VIII knowing that Episodes I thru VII are in the same continuity. Millions of people saw Star Wars movies never considering that the Aftermath books even existed. Canon was ignored. How does that make you feel?
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Aug 3, 2018 15:23
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jivjov posted:It's a personal preference. I prefer a singular ongoing continuity over having to try to keep track of which story arcs are considered canonical, which aren't, which things exist in their own little bubble of continuity, etc That's exactly the question though is: why does canon matter? If Spock and Kirk have an adventure in a book and then another book doesn't make reference to that adventure, why is that bad? jivjov posted:Pretty sure normal people understand how a continuity works. Millions of moviegoers went to Infinity War knowing that it was canonical with Iron Man through Black Panther. Millions of moviegoers went to Episode VIII knowing that Episodes I thru VII are in the same continuity. Continuity is very different from things like "canon".
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Aug 3, 2018 15:26
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The fortitude of his resistance to irony is shocking if I’m gonna be honest. Praying for a puppet master post any day now. I promise I would accept it on its face.
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Aug 3, 2018 15:26
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jivjov posted:Pretty sure normal people understand how a continuity works. Millions of moviegoers went to Infinity War knowing that it was canonical with Iron Man through Black Panther. Millions of moviegoers went to Episode VIII knowing that Episodes I thru VII are in the same continuity. Indulge me in a thought exercise for a moment: suppose Solo hadn't flopped (lol) and we were definitely getting sequels to it, the Obi-Wan movie was definitely on track (and not probably cancelled) and so on; suppose whatever the climax to this arc was ended up with Obi-Wan leaving Tatooine and having a rematch with Darth Maul on Naboo, and he killed him there. This contradicts the Rebels cartoon, but the screenwriter or director said they wanted to do it their way and Lucasfilm agreed. How would you reconcile that?
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Aug 3, 2018 15:29
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The MCU movies are also a pretty bad example because Tony Stark in the MCU is basically different James Bonds played by the same actor. He's different in all of the films; there's very little "continuity" between the movies
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Aug 3, 2018 15:29
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Convincing everyone that they've had this intricately-plotted 10-year master plan is one of the cleverest things Marvel did.
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Aug 3, 2018 15:37
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dublish posted:Millions of people saw Star Wars movies never considering that the Aftermath books even existed. Canon was ignored. How does that make you feel? You don't have to read every novel. It's not mandatory. But if someone says "huh, I wonder what happened between VI and VII; there's an actual answer for them.
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Aug 3, 2018 15:38
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Waffles Inc. posted:That's exactly the question though is: why does canon matter? If Spock and Kirk have an adventure in a book and then another book doesn't make reference to that adventure, why is that bad? There's a difference between "not making reference to something" and "proceeding under the assumption it never happened". Many Trek novels are contradictory because there isn't one overarching continuity.
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Aug 3, 2018 15:39
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Wheat Loaf posted:Indulge me in a thought exercise for a moment: suppose Solo hadn't flopped (lol) and we were definitely getting sequels to it, the Obi-Wan movie was definitely on track (and not probably cancelled) and so on; suppose whatever the climax to this arc was ended up with Obi-Wan leaving Tatooine and having a rematch with Darth Maul on Naboo, and he killed him there. This contradicts the Rebels cartoon, but the screenwriter or director said they wanted to do it their way and Lucasfilm agreed. How would you reconcile that? There was never a confirmed Obi-Wan movie to be cancelled. And he Story Group literally exists to prevent that from happening. Their whole job would be to tell a director "we've already seen Maul and Obi-Wan's final showdown, you can depict it again if you want, but you can't change it to a different planet".
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Aug 3, 2018 15:42
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jivjov posted:There was never a confirmed Obi-Wan movie to be cancelled. They did that in Star Wars Rebels though.
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Aug 3, 2018 15:44
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Pablo Nergigante posted:They did that in Star Wars Rebels though. What?
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Aug 3, 2018 15:46
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Okay hopefully someone here knows what I’m talking about because it’s something from my childhood I only just remember existed and googling is getting me nothing. I remember having some kind of mail-in pen and paper Star Wars game, I think I got it from Star Wars Insider? But I’m not sure. Anyways, it was some mail-in game, I think every 1-4 months they sent you a book detailing a new scenario you had to try and get through or something. It also came with vehicle cards with stats detailing what you had available for that month’s mission. Maybe there were also character cards for different people you could interact with? I think each mission built upon the last, creating a big story, but maybe my child imagination connected them. I don’t think you mailed in what you wanted to do for the game or anything, though. Anyone remember this, or am I going crazy?
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Aug 3, 2018 15:48
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jivjov posted:What? They had Obi-Wan and Darth Maul's final showdown but it took place on
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Aug 3, 2018 15:48
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Romulus is Vulcan look at the haircuts, people.
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Aug 3, 2018 15:49
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Pablo Nergigante posted:They had Obi-Wan and Darth Maul's final showdown but it took place on Tatooine Correct. That's why a later source couldn't put it elsewhere. That's what I just said.
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Aug 3, 2018 15:49
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I guess it boils down to you enjoying Star Wars canon curated by the Story Group (which like God might not actually even exist) while also being unable to comprehend that other people don't care about canon and why they don't care about it. Which is why you think it's reasonable to call SMG a liar for saying that Jakku is Tatooine.
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Aug 3, 2018 15:50
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jivjov posted:Correct. That's why a later source couldn't put it elsewhere. That's what I just said. But Obi-Wan and Maul already had their final showdown on Naboo. How can there be two final showdowns.
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Aug 3, 2018 15:52
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Pablo Nergigante posted:But Obi-Wan and Maul already had their final showdown on Naboo. How can there be two final showdowns. Naboo is Jakku that final Rebellion-Empire battle was real bad yo
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Aug 3, 2018 15:54
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Pablo Nergigante posted:But Obi-Wan and Maul already had their final showdown on Naboo. How can there be two final showdowns. They didn't. The hypothetical was that the hypothetical obi wan movie moved the fight to Naboo.
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Aug 3, 2018 15:56
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jivjov posted:There's a difference between "not making reference to something" and "proceeding under the assumption it never happened". Many Trek novels are contradictory because there isn't one overarching continuity. Umm, I think you'll find that the 'contradictory' novels take place in subtly different quantum realities, which were established as existing in the Next Generation episode "Parallels". It is impossible for a Star Trek story to contradict another unless you can find proof they take place in the same quantum universe. Duh.
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Aug 3, 2018 15:58
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jivjov posted:You don't have to read every novel. It's not mandatory. But if someone says "huh, I wonder what happened between VI and VII; there's an actual answer for them. What do you suppose it means (either in terms of narrative, continuity, canon, or all of the above) that each successive movie is made without regard to what happens between them?
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Aug 3, 2018 15:58
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jivjov posted:They didn't. The hypothetical was that the hypothetical obi wan movie moved the fight to Naboo. Did the "final showdown" on Tatooine exist before the Rebels episode? We clearly saw Obi-Wan cut Maul in half
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Aug 3, 2018 16:00
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jivjov posted:And he Story Group literally exists to prevent that from happening. Their whole job would be to tell a director "we've already seen Maul and Obi-Wan's final showdown, you can depict it again if you want, but you can't change it to a different planet". Again, hypothetically, if Steven Spielberg and George Lucas both wanted to work together on a Star Wars movie and their idea fits in with the existing movies but contradicts a game or a cartoon or something, do you honestly think their common friend and collaborator of 40 years Kathleen Kennedy is going to say, "Sorry, but Story Group says you can't do that." Do you really think that would happen? Realistically, do you think that this nebulous idea of "canon" will always be prioritised when the overriding commercial interest in making a successful movie is potentially at stake?
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Aug 3, 2018 16:00
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Obi-Wan and Darth Maul's final showdown took place in my living room when I watched it on TV
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Aug 3, 2018 16:01
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Pablo Nergigante posted:Did the "final showdown" on Tatooine exist before the Rebels episode? We clearly saw Obi-Wan cut Maul in half Maul survived that. This was established well before rebels, in Clone Wars.
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Aug 3, 2018 16:09
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Hold on...was he hypothetical that Maul and Obi-Wan's showdown on Tatooine was to be overwritten? Or that maul survives it and they have ANOTHER fight on Naboo later? Cause the later is perfectly plausible.
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Aug 3, 2018 16:15
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How many times is Maul going to survive a fight with Obi-Wan. Is he like Nemesis from Resident Evil 3
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Aug 3, 2018 16:28
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Or Dio Brando.
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Aug 3, 2018 16:28
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darth maul pleads with story group "pleease just let me die"
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Aug 3, 2018 16:30
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Pablo Nergigante posted:How many times is Maul going to survive a fight with Obi-Wan. Is he like Nemesis from Resident Evil 3 So far it's just once.
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Aug 3, 2018 16:37
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jivjov posted:Hold on...was he hypothetical that Maul and Obi-Wan's showdown on Tatooine was to be overwritten? Or that maul survives it and they have ANOTHER fight on Naboo later? Cause the later is perfectly plausible. The first one. I am asking, if a director or writer said "We want Obi-Wan to have a rematch with Maul on Naboo and it ends with him killing him" and Lucasfilm said they could and ignored the Story Group, how would you feel? Would you rend your garment?
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Aug 3, 2018 16:39
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lol I just remembered Darth Maul is in Solo
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Aug 3, 2018 16:39
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PostNouveau posted:lol I just remembered Darth Maul is in Solo Hell yeah. Solo was better than either ST movie
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Pablo Nergigante posted:Or Dio Brando. I don't recognize that star warrior
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