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Necrosaro posted:New CSB video - CSB Interim Animation on Husky Refinery Explosion and Fire I am -so- ready for the next CSB video this will inevitably be some part of. I'm still riding the high of Caught in the Storm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtWyBMwRt-A
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:I still find it hilarious that so many people though that diesel VW's were going to "save the planet". Some people stood behind them for other reasons.
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Necrosaro posted:New CSB video - CSB Interim Animation on Husky Refinery Explosion and Fire Waitwaitwait... Husky refinery? And all this time I thought Huskies were bred.
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Necrosaro posted:New CSB video - CSB Interim Animation on Husky Refinery Explosion and Fire man this has got me pumped they're getting to be really good at this haha
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Necrosaro posted:New CSB video - CSB Interim Animation on Husky Refinery Explosion and Fire I'm a 3D guy, any of you goons know where I apply to get a job animating this stuff?
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Sagebrush posted:as they're walking out of the dealership after having returned the car: "how could a company lie to their customers on such a massive scale??" I really love that this grift was discovered when an environmental organization researching emissions of cars tested the diesel VWs on a bench, and then tested the car in normal driving, and then couldn't figure out why their readings were diverging so sharply and then reached out to car-savvy people, as hopefully they could point out what the environmentalists were doing wrong
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DiHK posted:I'm a 3D guy, any of you goons know where I apply to get a job animating this stuff? https://www.abbottmedia.net
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Gunshow Poophole posted:man this has got me pumped The drat sound effects are wonderful by themselves.
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Hard hat talk reminded me of a 1980s video game I remembered with a guy in a hard hat, so I looked it up. It seems it's more OSHA than I remembered:
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NatasDog posted:No doubt he really hams it up with the eco-conscious shtick, but he does an excellent job chronicling the stonewalling and deliberate obfuscation on the part of VW management; not to mention the amazing lengths these small emissions testing companies had to go through in order to finally get them to fess up. The study with the monkeys and the diesel emissions was just "I was beaming with pride, as I drove around the suburbs, or commuted to New York City. What I didn't know, is that I was driving a killing machine." "Okay, it's usually a cheap shot to bring Hitler, BUT" "They have perpetrated the single largest impact on our quality of air and environment"  The way the episode highlights the absolutely inexcusable conduct, the systemic culture of fraud-acceptance, and the way the engineers went about implementing the defeat devices, and it does it really well, but the guy has enough ammunition to fill the rest of the episode with more interesting details on how the fraud went on, and even became more ridiculous, but he just has to latch onto the the gassing-humans bit, where he sets up the actual testing of emissions on monkeys by LRRI (a company in New Mexico), then omits the Uniklinik Aachen study that received EUGT funding, switches back to the deposition of Johnson saying "in retrospect, it was bad optics", and then transitions right the dude going "GUESS WHO ELSE GASSED HUMANS, THE GUY THAT WAS AT VW'S GRAND FACTORY OPENING LOL". It's just...it could have been a much better coverage of what happened, but he just couldn't avoid going for the low-hanging fruit. I mean, there's context to him doing so because of his emotional attachment to the subject (his daughter suffering from some respiratory disease iirc?), and his wife being in love with their planet-saving Jetta, but...yeah. /edit: Also, the bit where he tries to exclusively limit the misconduct to ZE GERMANS and tries to downplay the entirety of VW North America despite bringing up Johnson's testimony is pretty 
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Duzzy Funlop posted:"They have perpetrated the single largest impact on our quality of air and environment" Oh I didn't know Thomas Midgley worked for VW
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Subjunctive posted:I'm surprised you're allowed to send something in that state through the post. Back when the NVIDIA SHIELD tablets had their overheating battery scare they sent those who wanted replacements a box to send the old one back in. We got the new tablets before the boxes came to return the old ones which was nice. The boxes had inside them a bunch of fire retardant packaging and some kind of crushed rock too to pack the tablet in. The box was marked with a ton of safety warnings about fire and stuff too. Doesn't sound like the other goon got anything like that from amazon though.
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Nebakenezzer posted:I really love that this grift was discovered when an environmental organization researching emissions of cars tested the diesel VWs on a bench, and then tested the car in normal driving, and then couldn't figure out why their readings were diverging so sharply and then reached out to car-savvy people, as hopefully they could point out what the environmentalists were doing wrong
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there's so much going on in this that it's almost a political cartoon
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evil_bunnY posted:The VW group stuff was an industry open secret. Someone I know works in ICE optimization (for their competition) and when he saw the early audi q7 numbers he went "yeah I'm that's what it does with the lid open". They interviewed some honda guys who were part of some working group trying to reverse engineer their diesel emissions numbers and they just out and out admitted it was voodoo, this was years previous
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Killer robot posted:Hard hat talk reminded me of a 1980s video game I remembered with a guy in a hard hat, so I looked it up. It seems it's more OSHA than I remembered: you can still play it https://archive.org/details/msdos_Hard_Hat_Mack_1984
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Duzzy Funlop posted:"I was beaming with pride, as I drove around the suburbs, or commuted to New York City. What I didn't know, is that I was driving a killing machine." Yeah, I'm not going to defend that, but as you said he's got a more personal connection with this than he did with say The Smartest Guys in the Room. I can give him a pass based on that, and it still gives one of the most thorough rundowns of just how far reaching the fraud was/is. The collusion between the various EU governments and manufacturers in order to maintain business as usual was a bit of an eye opener as well. That said, we're starting to get well outside the scope of the thread at this point, so I'll see myself out.
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The cells used in the model 3 are designed to self disable if a heat or pressure anomaly is detected https://www.electrive.com/2018/07/29/new-patent-shows-tesla-attempting-to-make-battery-packs-safer/ The model 3 also has no advertised capacity, only range-- so it's also entirely plausible that possibly punctured cells are making it into packs that are built with more than needed capacity as a way to keep the line going, and they're relying on the safety mechanism to disable it. AFAIK there have been no model 3 battery fires so it's working so far?
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Qwijib0 posted:The cells used in the model 3 are designed to self disable if a heat or pressure anomaly is detected This is absolutely not the case.
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Qwijib0 posted:The cells used in the model 3 are designed to self disable if a heat or pressure anomaly is detected so how much $TSLA do you own
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Qwijib0 posted:The cells used in the model 3 are designed to self disable if a heat or pressure anomaly is detected HAHAHAHA Did you copy paste this from hn?
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I have this weird feeling that disabling a cell when high temperatures or pressures are detected is probably too late to stop it from burning or exploding
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The disable themselves automatically by catching on fire  Just like a melting fuse.
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Qwijib0 posted:The cells used in the model 3 are designed to self disable if a heat or pressure anomaly is detected https://twitter.com/marycmccormack/status/1007831286176571394
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That’s not a 3.
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Thanks god my three kids weren’t in the car that my husband calmly stopped, opened the door, and walked out of
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It’s my understanding that in the event of legitimate battery problems the car has a way to shut that whole thing down.
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Slanderer posted:This is absolutely not the case. https://patentscope.wipo.int/search...=PCTDescription quote:When cells fail, the individual units typically release hot gases that could negatively affect the integrity of nearby cells. This usually results in functional cells being damaged as well. Tesla’s patent describes the use of two interconnects that would be positioned over the multiple battery cells. Multiple first cell connectors connect the positive terminal of the battery cells to the first interconnect, while multiple second cell connectors connect the negative terminal of the battery cells to the second interconnect. A top plate with an interior and an exterior side is placed over the first and second interconnect. An illustration of this could be found below. Son of Thunderbeast posted:so how much $TSLA do you own None, but I do drive one of these deathtraps and it sure is the nicest coffin I've ever had I guess.
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TTerrible posted:It’s my understanding that in the event of legitimate battery problems the car has a way to shut that whole thing down. yes, but actually
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SelenicMartian posted:The disable themselves automatically by catching on fire Each cell actually is connected with a fusable wire. It only stops all other cells dumping their energy through the broken cell. It doesn't stop a thermal meltdown, you can only hope the rest of the pack can soak up the heat.
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Lurking Haro posted:Each cell actually is connected with a fusable wire. It only stops all other cells dumping their energy through the broken cell. It doesn't stop a thermal meltdown, you can only hope the rest of the pack can soak up the heat. It's okay, the guy's testimony in the lawsuit also said they were accidentally manufacturing batteries with the poles reversed from how they're supposed to be so they might just short circuit instead!
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Hahahahahahahaha How The gently caress Is Battery Overheating Real Hahahaha Driver Just Walk Away From The Car Like Driver Close Your Eyes Haha
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Lurking Haro posted:Each cell actually is connected with a fusable wire. It only stops all other cells dumping their energy through the broken cell. It doesn't stop a thermal meltdown, you can only hope the rest of the pack can soak up the heat. Better than a tech bro solution....
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-fire/battery-in-fatal-florida-tesla-crash-reignited-twice-ntsb-report-idUSKBN1JM2UG The battery reignited twice with the last time several hours after it had been previously extinguished.
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I'm equally concerned about the woman being held against her will by her husband, as reported on the police radio in the clip.
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chitoryu12 posted:It's okay, the guy's testimony in the lawsuit also said they were accidentally manufacturing batteries with the poles reversed from how they're supposed to be so they might just short circuit instead! Those cells should spot-weld by themselves.
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evil_bunnY posted:The VW group stuff was an industry open secret. Someone I know works in ICE optimization (for their competition) and when he saw the early audi q7 numbers he went "yeah I'm that's what it does with the lid open". Possibly dumb question: why didn't the industry squeal? Liability for being a whistleblower? THANKS OBAMA
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Nebakenezzer posted:Possibly dumb question: why didn't the industry squeal? Liability for being a whistleblower? THANKS OBAMA all industries are incestuous
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Nebakenezzer posted:Possibly dumb question: why didn't the industry squeal? Liability for being a whistleblower? THANKS OBAMA whistleblowers get hosed regardless of context you only blow the lid off stuff when you've got no other choice
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