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MaxieSatan posted:It's a process! We would already HAVE a powerful navy if we hadn't voted in the Royalists. One more term of boats will do the job; once more term of absolutism will do nothing but erode our precious civil liberties for no good reason. Precious only to those who do not trust in the protection and wisdom of the Sultan, traitors who hide behind laws and 'rights'.
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Overthrow the Sultan, imo. And do the same to Palermo's.Hashim posted:There will be some colonisation under a Moderate government (there would also be some under royalists, but none under socialists), but our naval bases won't be expanded and our navy won't be improved. Alright, i guess i can vote Moderates again then. Let's get better railroads and education, people!
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Aug 3, 2018 22:31
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We should probably stick to the Imperialists just to finish the colonization of Africa.
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Aug 3, 2018 22:31
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I plan to vote for the Imperialists because we seriously need to improve our navy. These constant raids from across the Strait are getting ridiculous.
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Aug 3, 2018 22:35
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I'm still going to vote for Royalists but Imperialists should probably remain in power. If we can finish building up our new navy, then we won't have to worry about Moroccan invasions when we pounce on the rest of Iberia. We've already seen that our standard troops can annihilate the forces of pretty much anybody else, so our only weakness is how easy Morocco can cross the strait. Too many of our cities are in striking of distance of small attacks; the only real defense are boats.
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Aug 3, 2018 22:35
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Eat poo poo France. The sacking of Qadis was unfortunate, but it simply means we need to wipe Morocco off the face of the Earth. I think one more round of Imperialists will do the trick. Finish colonization, get our cores back, modernize the navy. After that, it depends.
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Aug 3, 2018 22:35
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I’m happy to keep voting in the Moderates until we secured the rest of Iberia (we don’t need to spend 10+ years on a naval arms race to kick the Moroccans out of Iberia). Then let’s try to build a socialist country worth living in. 
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Aug 3, 2018 22:36
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I'm not sure if a formal vote has started, but another imperialist term seems like a good idea. Improving the navy should help to keep the Moroccans out when the time comes to kick them out of Iberia entirely. So boost the navy, grab the rest of Catalonia when we get an opportunity, and keep looking for colonies. Once we've united Iberia we can settle in to building up for when the rest of Europe inevitably drags us into their wars. Moderates are probably the second choice.
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Aug 3, 2018 22:38
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Yeah I think I'm gonna go Imperialists so we can get an actually useful navy for the first time in literal centuries, then switch to Socialists for the rest of the game once we've pushed Morocco's poo poo in and reclaimed the peninsula.
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Aug 3, 2018 22:50
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Fifth Meeting of the Majlis Forty years have passed, and with the Crisis of the Rhine ending, it’s time to reshuffle the Majlis once again. Four parties have legal admittance to the assembly - Royalists, Moderates, Imperialists, Socialists - if you want more in-game information on them, click here. I’ve posted the usual screenshots, but if you need any more info to make your choice, just say so and I’ll see what I can do. Without further ado, here are the parties of Al Andalus: Royalists Royalists are campaigning on the promise of massively expanding the standing army, finally invading Qattalun (especially vocal in criticising the liberals for having failed to do this), and beginning efforts to properly incorporate Palermo into the ‘Andalusi empire’. Primary Issues: They’re primarily focused on securing the historical borders of al-Andalus. These nobles hark back to the days where al-Andalus had a commanding position in Europe, and they vow to one day see all of its continental territories reacquired (including the rest of Iberia, Corsica, Sardinia, and even Sicily). Research Policy: They’re focused on advancing Army technology, and expanding the sizes of both the standing and the mobilised armies.   Moderates Moderates currently have the strongest support amongst the Andalusi population, who are keen for a few years of peace after the wars that followed the Rhine Crisis. They promise exactly that, along with an industrial and infrastructural buildup, especially with Al Andalus beginning to trail the other Great Powers on that front. Primary Issues: The policy of this party is two-pronged. First, they’re concerned with avoiding wars and maintaining the power balance between the great powers, primarily by building a vast defensive alliance web across Europe. Second, they’re devoted to investing in the internal development of al-Andalus via factories, railroads, fortresses and so on, and also improving relations abroad through foreign investment. Research Policy: They’re focused on advancing Industrial and Culture technologies, and will invest heavily in the construction of new buildings and railroads, hoping to kindle the flowering of a new renaissance in Iberia.   Imperialists Imperialists have come under heavy fire for ‘allowing’ the Sack of Qadis to happen, but few can deny their impressive achievements in the naval and colonial department. They now campaign on the promise of a modernised navy, with significant investment into ironclads and monitors, to help fuel renewed colonial efforts in Africa and India. Primary Issues: They’re concerned with securing Iberia, with no further expansion in Europe. They’re also interested in building a new colonial empire, however, seeing it as the best way to regain and cement Andalusia’s rightful position as a great power. Research Policy: They’re focused on advancing Naval and Commerce technologies, constructing larger naval bases, and most importantly - expanding and strengthening the navy.   Socialists Socialists have a very weak position in the Majlis, but they’ve been slowly gaining traction amongst the poor strata, who suffered heavily under the austere conditions of war. They’re devoted to pursuing a policy of détente with respect to Andalusia’s enemies, whilst focusing on industrial and financial expansion on the home front, along with social reform where possible. Primary Issues: Their chief priority is to keep Al Andalus at peace, with no interest in further expansion, both domestically and globally. They’ll focus on internal development through factories, railroads etc, weakening the capitalist grip on industry, and - most importantly - beginning to implement their socialist ideals via reforms. They will also seek to ally with and strengthen other socialist regimes, though non-violently. Research Policy: They’re focused on advancing Industrial and Commerce technologies, with their secondary focus being culture and (defensive) army tech.   General State of the Nation Great Powers:  Political overview:   Relations overview:  Military overview:  Economy overview  Industrial overview:     Technology overview:     
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Aug 3, 2018 22:53
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Hashim posted:Royalists This should be obvious to any true patriot. Vote Royalist
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Aug 3, 2018 22:57
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I'm voting for the Imperialists because can we finish a goal for once in this lp instead of flip-flopping constantly. We have to finish colonizing and building up our navy, and the Imperialists are the only ones who will do that. Also it might be worth improving relations with the Celts. They hate France, we hate France, it all works out.
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Aug 3, 2018 22:57
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Joining the Moderates.
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Aug 3, 2018 22:58
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Friends, I will repeat myself. The Royalists are pompous bootlickers who will destroy our way of life at any cost. They must not be given control once more. The Moderates are acceptable - they are capable, but lacking in vision. The Workers' Party is... less than ideal, their positive intentions leaving no room for practical concerns or national ambitions. Only the Imperialists carry both the ambition necessary to bring Andalusia to a new golden era and the moral standing necessary to maintain stability and liberty!
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Aug 3, 2018 22:58
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Give us boats, give us colonies, give us money, give us Imperialists!
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Aug 3, 2018 22:59
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Aug 3, 2018 22:59
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The Royalists will take back what is ours
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Aug 3, 2018 23:00
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Imperialists need a chance to finish the job.
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Aug 3, 2018 23:00
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Let's finish this. Imperialists
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Aug 3, 2018 23:00
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Imperialism once more.
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Aug 3, 2018 23:02
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loving love Fiona Apple posted:Also it might be worth improving relations with the Celts. They hate France, we hate France, it all works out. I'll definitely give that a shot.
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Aug 3, 2018 23:02
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Imperialists for now we need Al-Andalus united again.
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Aug 3, 2018 23:03
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Imperialists We must finish what we started.
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Aug 3, 2018 23:03
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Imperialists We must secure a transcontinental empire in Africa! Also create a navy that can square off against Morocco so that we don’t have simply weather them landing troops with impunity.
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Aug 3, 2018 23:04
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Randarkman posted:This should be obvious to any true patriot. Vote Royalist I have long wanted to incorporate Palermo into our country and to restore Greater Andalusia, but I really rather not vote for the reactionaries now that socialism is an option. I feel obligated to maintain some degree of narrative consistency. For the time being, I choose the Moderates. Hey Hashim, is there a chance for the communists to take over if we keep voting in the socialists? Would the communists be open to spreading the revolution to the rest of Europe?
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Aug 3, 2018 23:07
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As I mentioned before, let's go Imperialist for the moment.
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Aug 3, 2018 23:07
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No question about it, we need to finish modernizing our navy and our civilizing mission in Africa and nobody will do that but the Imperialists. Once we have secured our piece of Africa, we can put a greater focus on internal development.
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Snipee posted:Hey Hashim, is there a chance for the communists to take over if we keep voting in the socialists? Would the communists be open to spreading the revolution to the rest of Europe? Communists will never gain any degree of recognition in a monarchy, they'll only ever come to power if they overthrow the Sultan and Majlis. As for exporting the revolution, that's definitely a possibility, but it'll depend on the narrative and context.
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Aug 3, 2018 23:11
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Imperialists, factories can wait until we fix our borders and boats. Incidentally, how did our industrial base hold against LF?
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Aug 3, 2018 23:11
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Royalists, to punish Morocco and restore Al-Andalus!
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Okay I just have no idea how alliances work in this game. Egypt was an ally, but then after a war they allied with the people they were fighting a war with? And I swear to god I remember the Celtic Union was allied to France, and now they're not anymore? I'm just confused. Anyways, as for this update, blah blah colonies, revanchism of Iberia, natural borders, fending off Morocco but never really crusing them, reforms and Imperialists lack of any. The real important thing about this update is that today is a black day for everyone's favorite country! Cherson has lost its disconnected enclave! Also China's looking pretty blue. What's the deal with Moroccan Australia? Have they gone independent too, or have they become some kind of vassal state?
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SlothfulCobra posted:Okay I just have no idea how alliances work in this game. Egypt was an ally, but then after a war they allied with the people they were fighting a war with? And I swear to god I remember the Celtic Union was allied to France, and now they're not anymore? I'm just confused. It can get confusing, but Egypt was never at war with Morocco, they were at war with Morocco's sphereling in Cyrenaica. Morocco normally would've intervened, but they were already fighting wars with us and Ibriz, so they must've declined the call to arms. Australia was granted autonomy, yep, probably to free up more resources to colonise Africa with.
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Moderates for a stronger navy! Hear me out on this one. We're getting really, shockingly behind on industrial techs. Industrial techs give some massive increases to RGO production. Like with 2 techs we could probably more than double our coal and steel production. Triple it with some more modern railroads. Output of many other products could feasibly go up by 50% with some tech and modern railroads. Generating more resources makes you lots of money. Ironclads are really expensive and even if we can afford it now, we're going to be straining our economy and cutting back on other necessities such as education which is not good - I think our literacy was at 44% in 1860 so it's probably up to maybe about 50% by now, which isn't exactly glorious. Moderates will still expand our colonies and engage in wars to reclaim Iberia if circumstances permit and growing our economy at this point will do far more for our strength in the long term than a few more boats, right now. We all saw how successful our armies were after 2 decades of careful moderate growth of the economy to support it - let's now do the same for our navy. Super Jay Mann posted:Incidentally, how did our industrial base hold against LF? This is a good question that I meant to ask. RabidWeasel fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Aug 3, 2018 |
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Aug 3, 2018 23:22
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Socialists. Al-Andalus by the people, for the people.
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Aug 3, 2018 23:23
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Super Jay Mann posted:Imperialists, factories can wait until we fix our borders and boats. Most of our factories are still running, and we're still top 5 in industrial rankings, so not too badly at all.
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RabidWeasel posted:
commerce techs get us as much money while also improving our rgos and factories. Plus boats are easy to build, the real bottleneck are our naval bases. Imperialists at the very least we should get an iron navy before getting tech add
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Aug 3, 2018 23:28
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Just remember people... You are going to need the Imperialists if you want these borders fixed.
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Aug 3, 2018 23:30
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Hell, the Capitalists in Granada are even expanding and building factories. LF would've been devastating if we'd suffered massive occupation during the war, though, especially for a prolonged period. Anyway, give the Imperialists another term, and this time please research the Input and Output techs. Lowering Inputs and increasing Outputs are just straight-out buffs onto your factories and about the only way you can aid them when you're under LF.
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Ikasuhito posted:Just remember people... Fix the problem I created says the Imperialist.
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