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Gin_Rummy posted:What’s the deal with recruiters these days? They seem to only want to talk to me on the phone, despite having extremely limited availability for it due to working on the top floor of an open office... and I always tell them this and that I will be much quicker to respond to an email. It’s always either that, or they text, which I hate doing with ANY sort of professional contact. Why can’t they just drop an email first to gauge interest, or email me as a follow up when I can’t answer the phone? And how come when I finally give in and start texting back, the recruiter immediately decides “nah, I’m done texting?” They don't want a record of anything they say to exist if it can be avoided
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That’s completely asinine though. Why would it even be a problem to have “I have company X with position Y that you might be great for” or “the hiring manager wants to speak with you, does time P, Q, or R work with your schedule?” on record?
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Aug 2, 2018 16:39
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Looking for advice on how to structure my resume based on the following circumstances: For approximately 18 months (2015-2016), I was working for "Old Company" as a "Storage Services Administrator". The company was acquired in mid-2016 by "New Company" and I was brought on to the new company with a new title, "Storage Specialist". My duties for the next year were largely the same as before the acquisition and I continued to work supporting the legacy "Old Company" clients that I had been working with. In 2017, things changed and I was brought on to work with "New Company" customers in a specific international market exclusively. For purposes of my resume, do I treat these as separate jobs coinciding with the acquisition, which at a casual glance it would appear that I left "Old Company" to work for "New Company"? Do I put something at the top of my resume entry for "New Company" saying something like, "Changed to new position upon acquisition of 'Old Company' and continued to support legacy clients"? Or is there some other, better way to approach this?
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Aug 2, 2018 17:10
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Was it exactly the same job or not? I assume you didn't actually accept a demotion.
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Aug 2, 2018 17:22
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Sand Monster posted:Looking for advice on how to structure my resume based on the following circumstances: Frame it how you think it looks the best. For company you can always put "OldName/NewComp" and just keep the job the same. Go with the title that you think is the best, no one is going to sweat details that much. As a hiring manager I'd rather just see that whole birds nest as 1 entry, but I wouldn't care too much either way.
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Aug 2, 2018 17:24
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Eric the Mauve posted:Was it exactly the same job or not? I assume you didn't actually accept a demotion. Effectively the exact same job and responsibilities immediately after the acquisition up until my role changed, but I was at the top level at the old company and then just became part of a larger team with the new company. Lockback posted:Frame it how you think it looks the best. For company you can always put "OldName/NewComp" and just keep the job the same. Go with the title that you think is the best, no one is going to sweat details that much. I agree that it's well into the weeds in terms of details. I feel like one entry would look best but the differing job titles with one that sounds a little more senior makes me question it, i.e. if I used the better sounding one from the old company, it isn't reflective of my current title.
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So I had my interview today but for the previous two days before that I worked 15 hour days because of a work emergency that could not be postponed. I had very little sleep on top of that. But all things considered I’m pretty happy with how the interview went. Journaled some reflections on ways to improve for the next interview and now it’s time to put it out of my mind.
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Aug 3, 2018 05:44
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Another dumb recruiter question: Why the gently caress do so many third party recruiters push so hard for a Skype/FaceTime call? Is a simple phone call not enough these days? Also, I can’t believe I had to explain to one of these guys what the gently caress an intern is.
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Aug 3, 2018 14:38
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Gin_Rummy posted:Another dumb recruiter question: My experience with recruiters is they try to stick hard to company playbooks. So if the playbook says "Call or skype" then that's what they'll do. In some defense over hundreds of people you probably get less flake outs via phone and skype than you would over email, and that's $$ to them. Right now good candidates are disappearing in days, so they probably are more aggressive on getting face-to-face meetings than ever before.
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Aug 3, 2018 14:40
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The mere notion of a Skype interview for a position ten minutes down the road is just very odd to me though. Like, I can’t help but feel like they’re using the Skype call to screen my appearance for the company or some stupid poo poo like that. EDIT: Especially since we have already discussed the role, the company, and they’re already in the process of submitting my resume. What the gently caress is the purpose of getting on skype after all that? Gin_Rummy fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Aug 3, 2018 |
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Aug 3, 2018 14:49
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Gin_Rummy posted:The mere notion of a Skype interview for a position ten minutes down the road is just very odd to me though. Like, I can’t help but feel like they’re using the Skype call to screen my appearance for the company or some stupid poo poo like that. They are using Skype to screen your appearance for the company. Its (probably) not racial profiling or anything, they don't want to send some edgelord or slob to some company they are trying to build a relationship with. The flake out rate on candidates is also pretty high right now, so getting you to commit to a call is a good way to make sure you commit to an interview. It both tells them you'll show up, and also makes you feel more invested. It doesn't have to apply to everyone, but over hundreds of candidates if it means 4 or 5 more get hired that's like $100k in additional recruiting fees they get.
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Aug 3, 2018 15:08
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Lockback posted:They are using Skype to screen your appearance for the company. Its (probably) not racial profiling or anything, they don't want to send some edgelord or slob to some company they are trying to build a relationship with. Any way you cut it, that seems pretty lovely to me. I’m going to just push one more time to hammer out any remaining details over the phone, but if he doesn’t take that I’m probably just going to pass on it. Maybe I’m being overly unreasonable here, but I feel like if my qualifications aren’t more than enough then I don’t want to work with this company. Gin_Rummy fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Aug 3, 2018 |
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Aug 3, 2018 15:34
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On of the qualifications may in fact be “dresses civilized” and “no maga retards”
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Aug 3, 2018 15:43
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Wait... could me wearing my MAGA hat and never trimming my neck beard have something to do with why I was laid off?!
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Aug 3, 2018 15:55
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I got the job with the company that had the awesome hiring process (video interview - > Immersion day - > less formal breakfast with manager) and I'm so excited.
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Aug 3, 2018 16:18
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Well I managed to get past it either way with my mAdSkIlLz. Hiring managers liked my resume so much they called me immediately and are already scheduling a face to face. Get hosed weird recruiting firm/Skype interview!
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Aug 3, 2018 19:29
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Another recruiter contact. Something she said, combined with other stuff I see in this thread has me scratching my head. I'm a mechanical engineer with 10 years of experience, and have been looking to some degree for a year or so, and more actively for about 6 months... so going from applying to "oooh, this sounds really cool" to "I think I can pass as qualified for this" but in that year have had two in person interviews. Everyone I talk to is astonished I'm not just getting snatched up with my resume so I assume it's not terrible, feedback from the in-person interviews seems to be on the "we wanted more experience in this one area" kind of thing but generally positive... but recruiter today mentioned that the length of time I've been looking might be sending up red flags. I dunno, just wtf?
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Aug 3, 2018 19:58
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Are you telling people how long you've been looking or something?
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Aug 3, 2018 20:31
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In this case it was a recruiter I'd first talked to about a year and I'm at the same job so, well, relatively obvious.
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mekilljoydammit posted:Another recruiter contact. Something she said, combined with other stuff I see in this thread has me scratching my head. I dunno, dumb recruiter? My last company employed mechanical engineers alongside software people and I always got the impression the ME field was harder to find jobs than people realize. I feel like I frequently run into generally smart ME people who switched careers in some capacity. AnonymousNarcotics posted:I got the job with the company that had the awesome hiring process (video interview - > Immersion day - > less formal breakfast with manager) and I'm so excited. Sweet, congrats. Always like to see smarter interviewing process and it sounds like it was a good match.
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I'm applying for a graduate intake program for my state government. I've completed most of my application, but I'm working on these two questions and I could use a bit of feedback on how to approach them. 1. What appeals to you about working in a graduate role within the NSW Public Sector? In your response, discuss how your studies/ work experience will contribute to your success in the graduate program. - I have postgrad qualifications in HR/Organisational development. I'm excited about the opportunity to apply these skills in a role where I'm helping other government employees to perform their roles as efficiently and productively as possible.. this gives me personal fulfilment in my working environment yadda yadda something like that?? - In reality, the answer to this question is actually "They pay really well, there is good opportunity for career advancement and the working conditions are better than average" but I get the feeling that isn't the answer they want to hear. Thoughts? 2. Please describe a situation when you observed someone disregard a rule, policy or guideline you felt was important. How did you respond to this situation? Please describe the situation, your actions and the final outcome. This one I am a bit stumped on - are they seeking a response where I admit to ratting someone out? I'm in Australia and here it's a bit of a cultural thing not to intervene when you see something wrong happening and not report it - people don't like to be seen as the snitch. How would you approach answering these questions? There is a 300 word limit so it won't have to be an essay. Thanks!
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1. Mix of both. Don't mention money but something like "I want to use my skills and I think there is a lot of room to grow" is usually pretty good. Something about wanting to help your clients or something is also usually pretty good. Don't go nuts here, this is mostly a filler question to see how your written communication skills are, so make it intelligible. 2. They want you to say you'd snitch. If there is a culture of not speaking up its probably costing the government tons of money. Something like "I approached the individual and talked it out to understand their side of the story. If I needed to, I was prepared to escalate, but after talking it out with Bruce he realized it was better to follow the rules and we were all set".
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Lockback posted:Right now good candidates are disappearing in days, How can I get better as a candidate? Because evidently I'm a pretty bad candidate
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Love Stole the Day posted:How can I get better as a candidate? Because evidently I'm a pretty bad candidate Depends on the industry, but right now good software engineering candidates (Bachelors degree, demonstrable github repository, skills in Java, Spring, maybe some new stuff) have a very short shelf life (here in MN). I've had a few candidates disappear on me midstream, 3 or 4 years ago that was much more rare. Recruiters are being more aggressive because of this. If you're in a technical field and want to PM me your resume I can take a look and give you some tips on where to spend your time (Free online courses have gotten lots of people jobs/ raises). If you haven't connected to a local contracting firm yet, that can help if you're having trouble. Means a short-term lower wage but it can get you in the door.
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what sort of experience should a resumé for volunteer position need? i am a student with no work experience.
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gayest of posters posted:what sort of experience should a resumé for volunteer position need? i am a student with no work experience. Have it look good, 2/3 of a page is fine. Focus on any extra-curriculars, areas of focus for your studies, maybe noteable projects you've done at school. Focus on things you've accomplished.
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Figured since the Linkedin thread is dead, I'll ask the question here. Has anyone used the "Let recruiters know you're open" tag on linkedin? I have concerns that my current company recruiters will be notified once I switch it from "off" to "on". Linkedin has a legal write-up explaining how they try and avoid that, just wanted to get a sense if anyone had positive or negative experiences doing that.
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GordonComstock posted:Figured since the Linkedin thread is dead, I'll ask the question here. Yes and it definitely increased number of messages about potential jobs. I had it on for a few months without anyone at my very large company talking to me about it. (By that time I switched jobs) For reference I am an engineer with >1000 LinkedIn contacts and >250 recruiter contacts. CarForumPoster fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Aug 5, 2018 |
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GordonComstock posted:Figured since the Linkedin thread is dead, I'll ask the question here. I turned it on and got an immediate influx of recruiters sending me messages, which I then ignored because I had a solid lead for a position with the #1 company on my new job list.
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I worked at a firm for 11 months. Is it bad if I claim I worked their a full year on the resume just to make it a rounder number? Not actually looking for work at the moment, but I'm curious if this is a bridge too far.
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Like generally the one and only thing HR people will actually ask the HR people at a previous employer about your resume is "is it correct that Covok worked for you from Month 20XX through Month 20XX?" So if you're going to lie about something that might not be the best thing to choose.
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Covok posted:I worked at a firm for 11 months. Is it bad if I claim I worked their a full year on the resume just to make it a rounder number? Not actually looking for work at the moment, but I'm curious if this is a bridge too far. I wouldn't do this unless you knew they would never check references, its one of the few things that will always be verifiable.
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A friend of mine has me in a job hunt group that's being run by a guy who got serious-rear end paid professional advice. It basically boils down to "network your way into a face-to-face meeting with a hiring manager before you apply to a position, that way you have a personal relationship with them and they know you." This strikes me as used-car-salesmanish - I'm okay with networking, sure, but trying to schmooze face time with people just seems excessive. That's for context. The reason I mention: my wife works at Company X, which is a 10 minute easy commute in town. I work at a company in NYC and am on the job hunt. Company X has a position that I could 100% jump in and do. While in the HR system, my wife looked up the hiring manager's name for Company X's position, Jane Smith. It turns out that I have a buddy I've known a few years who worked with Jane and has a good relationship with her. The buddy is willing to recommend me to Jane. I'm really, really iffy about trying to get the buddy to introduce me to Jane so I could then try to schmooze my way into the role. I am OK with being recommended but I really, really worry that I'd come off as way too eager and thus make Jane wary about even reading my resume. This job search group's entire MO is not sitting well with me, and I'm OK with treating it as a networking-enhancement group if you want to target working at a specific company, but I feel like it's overkill if there's an open position to try and get in person with someone to try to talk yourself up, even if it's subtle. Can I get some thoughts and input on this? I don't know if I'm just being antisocial goony goon being a goon by not wanting to do this or if I'm just working with the wrong methodology. For what it's worth, all jobs I've ever gotten were just normal situations where I applied or worked with an external IT recruiter. It could also be something wherein IT infrastructure people like me (as opposed to programmers/people in the tech industry) just operate weirdly since we practice a discipline that so many industries need.
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Networking isn't everything. It's the only thing.
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MJP posted:I'm really, really iffy about trying to get the buddy to introduce me to Jane so I could then try to schmooze my way into the role. I am OK with being recommended but I really, really worry that I'd come off as way too eager and thus make Jane wary about even reading my resume. Why? Honestly, people's ability to self-sabotage themselves and their career prospects because of some really bizarre personal code of moral accountability (that nobody else holds, by the way) never ceases to amaze me. It sounds like this job would be a great fit, and if that's the case why wouldn't you use every possible advantage at your disposal to try and match with that opportunity? If you're okay with networking, you're okay with networking. If you're not okay with networking lol then just suffer your indignity in silence while the rest of the world behaves pragmatically and gets on with it.
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EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:Why? It's less moral accountability and more "what if he thinks I'm just some salesperson tool?" I routinely tell people who cold-call me at work that we don't do business with them and please take our number off their list, and write down their company so if they do it again I can file a do not call complaint against them. I don't mind confidently talking about why I fit well for a role. I like to think I'm pretty good at interviewing. What I worry about in this case is how to toe the line. Could I just maybe ask my buddy to refer me and ask if I can email the manager to hear their thoughts on the role, and try to turn it into a sort of interview situation, maybe an in-person, rather than come across "Hey, I'd love to schedule a call about the Windows Administrator role" straight up? I'm 100% fearful that it'll turn into "no, and I'm going to put HIS name down so I can be sure to ignore his application."
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MJP posted:It's less moral accountability and more "what if he thinks I'm just some salesperson tool?" I routinely tell people who cold-call me at work that we don't do business with them and please take our number off their list, and write down their company so if they do it again I can file a do not call complaint against them. You’re overthinking things, especially if your resume and experience fits the role as well as you say it does.
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you are an insane person Here's a good example of how this works and why it can be good. A former colleague of mine left last year, on good terms. We are not particularly close. She emailed me the other day to say that her brother is interested in transitioning in to our industry, couple sentences about the background, and if I have interest, would I be willing to talk to him for a bit? He has a good looking background and we have an open requisition for someone within a broad profile. I call him up, he asks some questions about the job, translating his experience, etc. I give him the dope about the role and the company. He is interested and I tell him to send me a resume and cover and we'll see if the ball rolls further. This is good for him because it fast-tracks his resume and cover letter and basically guarantees a face-to-face interview. It's good for me because I know I have at least one good-quality candidate that has been vouched for by someone I trust, plus I already like the guy based on our phone conversation and think he can probably do the job. Now, this guy could have just dropped his resume on our open position, but we wouldn't necessarily know he was related to our former colleague (unless he put it in his cover letter), and we wouldn't necessarily prioritize reading his resume out of the tens or hundreds we get. And that wouldn't be good for us either, because he is a pretty strong candidate and he could have been accidentally overlooked, or we could have hired someone else before we got to him. Or we could have blown a lot of time interviewing poo poo heads before we got to him. You are doing that hiring manager a favor if you are as good a fit as you claim you are.
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concrete advice: email your buddy and say "hey man don't know if u know but i'm looking for a job (brief sentence on your poo poo), and I saw that Jane's Company is hiring. I think I'm well qualified for the role because of X Y and am pretty excited because of A B. Can you put me in touch with her so I can ask her a few questions about the position?"
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There's so much risk in hiring dumbasses, networking is super valuable because it means at least one person thinks you're competent. We're dying at my job because of some recent high turnover and it takes up to 4 months to hire and train someone and they just wasted a req and 2 months on the biggest idiot I have ever worked with. We're a Cisco and Juniper shop and he had no idea how to even log into a switch and would only talk about all his experience with vendors and products I've never seen or used. That's what happens when they cold-hire someone with no good references. Your success rate skyrockets when a friend or co-worker is recommending the guy. Covok posted:I worked at a firm for 11 months. Is it bad if I claim I worked their a full year on the resume just to make it a rounder number? Not actually looking for work at the moment, but I'm curious if this is a bridge too far. Did the 11 months cross two calendar years? I'd just put 2012 - 2013 on your resume and let them assume it was somewhere between 2 days in December and January all the way to two full years.
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