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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Has there ever been a "strongman" leader who isn't just a giant baby with an army at his command? Most of them are like that tbh
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Has there ever been a "strongman" leader who isn't just a giant baby with an army at his command? I mean, the whole point of being a strongman is that your position is so unchallenged that you can just let your inner child rampage.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Has there ever been a "strongman" leader who isn't just a giant baby with an army at his command? caeser seemed really pragmatic for a dictator, I think but then it didn't take more than a couple generations for that trait to slip away
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Mr. Lobe posted:caeser seemed really pragmatic for a dictator, I think Well, it didn't work out well for the original Caesar, now did it?
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Aug 3, 2018 14:54
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Do yourself a favor and read that Caesar book by Michael Parenti, dude.
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Mr. Lobe posted:caeser seemed really pragmatic for a dictator, I think He murdered everyone who described him otherwise, and anybody'd seem good when Caligula is a followup act in living memory, hth e; oh wait julius caesar. yeah, no. augustus: sure, a little. julius? absolute clown. Willie Tomg fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Aug 4, 2018 |
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Aug 4, 2018 21:37
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Has there ever been a "strongman" leader who isn't just a giant baby with an army at his command? Chiang Kai-Shek, may his name never die. Also Tito. if you attempt to disabuse me of either of these I will appreciate the information but totally ignore its impact on my proposition
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Ultramega posted:Do yourself a favor and read that Caesar book by Michael Parenti, dude. yeah dude was shanked by the one percenters.
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Aug 5, 2018 00:50
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Good turnout for the anti-nationality law protests in Tel Aviv. Lots more around the country. https://twitter.com/Elizrael/status/1025806282614349824 https://twitter.com/MaarivOnline/status/1025770893421830145
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Chiang Kai-Shek, may his name never die. Tito was good but Chiang was kindof an incompetent baby
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Willie Tomg posted:He murdered everyone who described him otherwise
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Xander77 posted:You were thinking of Augustus to begin with. Julius has a fetish for pardoning enemies. Yet the esteemed senators call him vengeful, and they are all honorable men.
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https://twitter.com/AldermanGeo/status/1026190890170245120 Lol at the spectrum dipshit. https://twitter.com/AldermanGeo/status/1024739798043557889 I'll never get over how loving insensitive zionists can be. Ultramega fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Aug 5, 2018 |
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Aug 5, 2018 20:42
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Ultramega posted:https://twitter.com/AldermanGeo/status/1026190890170245120 Ethnic cleansing doesn't count if there exists land anywhere that this ethnicity still has some claim to. That is how it works. 
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Aug 8, 2018 16:42
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The last 12 hours have been about the biggest back and forth between Israeli and Hamas forces in recent years. Feels like the sort of thing that could easily escalate into thousands dead.
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Volkerball posted:The last 12 hours have been about the biggest back and forth between Israeli and Hamas forces in recent years. Feels like the sort of thing that could easily escalate into thousands (of Palestinians) dead. Think you missed a bit.
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I'm just watching the news, if anyone is confused about how things are conveyed to the Israeli citizens: Things sure are getting heated down south, many people have been disturbed, here are some pictures of minor property damage in Israel, here are some videos of massive bombings in Gaza, mayor of Be'er-Sheva calling for peace on both sides, the game against Nikosia will commence as planned. You may note absolutely no criticism of the government or the IDF nor any reports about Palestinian casualties.
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Aug 9, 2018 16:16
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Goddamn, the newsreader just quipped "So everything is normal in Gaza but not in the Israeli settlements nearby" Which is technically true but completely awful.
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Aug 9, 2018 18:07
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Hong XiuQuan posted:Think you missed a bit. Goes without saying here I think.
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I give up https://twitter.com/benabyad/status/1027456223262793729?s=21
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Aug 9, 2018 18:21
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Calling air strikes after the recipients rather than the senders sure is a creative way of masking war crimes.
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I think this'll be my go to response if I ever encounter any Israel defenders in the wild.
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Aug 9, 2018 21:03
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icantfindaname posted:Tito was good but Chiang was kindof an incompetent baby I think you mean sabotaged by unpatriotic warlord scum and the international communist conspiracy
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So I made the mistake of briefly listening to NPR on the way home and was treated to a spot about how some Palestinians "died in a clash between protesters and the Israeli military" that made sure to mention a grenade (and rocks!!!) allegedly being thrown by protesters at some point. In HAMAS-RULED(!!!) Gaza! It's like it went out of its way to detail every remote possibility of Palestinian-caused violence, while using language divorcing any sort of intent or fault from the violence of the IDF. NPR offends me because it's at least as awful as most other media but somehow retains a reputation as somehow being good among many people.
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Ytlaya posted:So I made the mistake of briefly listening to NPR on the way home and was treated to a spot about how some Palestinians "died in a clash between protesters and the Israeli military" that made sure to mention a grenade (and rocks!!!) allegedly being thrown by protesters at some point. In HAMAS-RULED(!!!) Gaza! It's like it went out of its way to detail every remote possibility of Palestinian-caused violence, while using language divorcing any sort of intent or fault from the violence of the IDF.
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Aug 11, 2018 05:13
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There may finally be a Palestinian Congresswoman soon, so maybe finally the Overton window can start sliding along.
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Aug 11, 2018 05:16
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Much like how the one Arab MK in the Knesset has moved the Overton window.
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Ultramega posted:Much like how the one Arab MK in the Knesset has moved the Overton window. Fourteen, and, yes, things would probably be worse if there were none at all, hard as it is to believe.
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I honestly only thought it was Ayman Odeh and that's it. drat.
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Ultramega posted:I honestly only thought it was Ayman Odeh and that's it. drat. Not only is there the Joint List, which Ayman Odeh leads, and is Arab majority (12 Arab, 1 Jew), there are also Arabs in other, Jewish-majority parties, including right-wing ones (I've bolded those in the leading coalition): Likud has a one, Zionist Camp has two (one of whom is resigning as a response to the Nationality Law), Kulanu has one, Yisrael Beitenu has one, and Meretz has one. That's 18(17)/120. Still below the 20% they are of the general population, but not as bad as, say, the representation of women. And yet the Nationality Law passed, and I think there is pressure on the Joint List to resign en masse in protest. There's a big protest against the Nationality Law this evening, with Meretz the only Zionist party likely to show up in any numbers. Edit: Look where I found coverage of this protest! Absurd Alhazred fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Aug 12, 2018 |
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I think there is a meaningful difference, both in popular perception and in actual relations with the government, between the Druze community and "regular" Israeli Arabs. The Nationality Law is the first time I can remember that there was this much conflict between the Druze community and the government, with Druze MPs and IDF officers protesting against it. There is even talk of having some sort of law to enshrine the special status of the Druze minority in Israel.Absurd Alhazred posted:not as bad as, say, the representation of women. This isn't really a uniquely Israeli problem. If anything, this is an almost universal function of "traditional" gender roles where politics and leadership were reserved to men, so women in current western politics tend to be younger, and we all know that old people tend to cling to power for as long as they can. For example, there are currently 104 congresswomen in the U.S. House of Representative (19.4%), and 34 women MKs in the Knesset (28.3%).
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:This isn't really a uniquely Israeli problem. If anything, this is an almost universal function of "traditional" gender roles where politics and leadership were reserved to men, so women in current western politics tend to be younger, and we all know that old people tend to cling to power for as long as they can. For example, there are currently 104 congresswomen in the U.S. House of Representative (19.4%), and 34 women MKs in the Knesset (28.3%). It's unevenly applied in Israel, though, as the haredi parties outright prohibit women from running.
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Main Paineframe posted:It's unevenly applied in Israel, though, as the haredi parties outright prohibit women from running. The haredim's influence on government and society is a whole other issue on its own. Though that makes me wonder what the hell is going on in the U.S. that women's representation is even worse.
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:The haredim's influence on government and society is a whole other issue on its own. Though that makes me wonder what the hell is going on in the U.S. that women's representation is even worse. i suspect it's connected to the fact that it's a dog poo poo country
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The political systems are very different, presidential vs. parliamentary. That means that in the USA, all the reactionaries get to share the same party (which then has to cater to all of them at the same time) while in Israel, each particular strand of bigotry get its own party and then they make a big coalition of regression. http://www.cawp.rutgers.edu/women-us-congress-2018 quote:23 (17D, 6R) women currently serving in the U.S. Senate Is anyone surprised by these statistics?
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XMNN posted:i suspect it's connected to the fact that it's a dog poo poo country Yes
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:This isn't really a uniquely Israeli problem. If anything, this is an almost universal function of "traditional" gender roles where politics and leadership were reserved to men, so women in current western politics tend to be younger, and we all know that old people tend to cling to power for as long as they can. For example, there are currently 104 congresswomen in the U.S. House of Representative (19.4%), and 34 women MKs in the Knesset (28.3%). It's not uniquely Israeli, but it is worth noting that electoral systems can have a huge impact, and this actually makes the Israeli example a little more egregious than it looks at first glance. The US and other first-past-the-post countries (UK, Canada, etc.) tend to struggle more with political representation for women due to the way candidates are selected and then run for election. The underlying sexism is still there, of course, but it's worsened by the nature of the process. Party list systems, on the other hand, tend to make it easier for women to be represented, because the party can just decide to include a certain percentage of women (or even mandate a 50/50 split in some cases). A comparison to a FPTP country is thus always going to flatter Israel. It's more appropriate to compare it to other party list systems. Most European party list countries manage at least 33%. It says a lot about Israel (or more specifically about the parties that are popular in Israel) that they can't even manage that.
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