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Vasudus
May 30, 2003
no

this will just get put into the collection of 'things the president has said on twitter' and be forgotten about

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BigDave
Jul 14, 2009

Taste the High Country

Soulex posted:

Its happening?

Only when Trump gets dragged out into the street in handcuffs and perp walked.

EDIT:

BigDave fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Aug 5, 2018

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

Can you even imagine how much more trouble we would be in as a nation if this clown knew how to shut the gently caress up

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost

shame on an IGA posted:

Can you even imagine how much more trouble we would be in as a nation if this clown knew how to shut the gently caress up

really, "trump who knew how to shut the gently caress up" was reagan

and yep, the gipper did gently caress us over

also holds true wrt the peeps who were wary of the smart fascist coming in

it was ron

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

bob dobbs is dead posted:

really, "trump who knew how to shut the gently caress up" was reagan

and yep, the gipper did gently caress us over

also holds true wrt the peeps who were wary of the smart fascist coming in

it was ron

Reagan ended his presidency in the midst of dementia. Trump started with it.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008


I want to invent a machine that will slap him every time he uses parenthetical commas.

joat mon
Oct 15, 2009

I am the master of my lamp;
I am the captain of my tub.

Soulex posted:

Its happening?

Not until there's some evidence that anyone on the Trump side solicited, accepted, or received dirt on Clinton from the Russians.
The accounts of the meeting (at least the public ones) don't have any of that.

Dwanyelle
Jan 13, 2008

ISRAEL DOESN'T HAVE CIVILIANS THEY'RE ALL VALID TARGETS
I'm a huge dickbag ignore me

joat mon posted:

Not until there's some evidence that anyone on the Trump side solicited, accepted, or received dirt on Clinton from the Russians.
The accounts of the meeting (at least the public ones) don't have any of that.

Didn't they go into that meeting with the Russians intending to get dirt, tho?

How does intent fit into criminal law?

sharknado slashfic
Jun 24, 2011

Wingnut Ninja posted:

*ahem* I believe you mean the BRO NS



They don't have Bron anymore either

Poppyseed Poundcake
Feb 23, 2007

Thalantos posted:

How does intent fit into criminal law?

totally legal and done all the time in politics

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur

Shaddak posted:



Thought this belonged here.

Saw this posted in gbs followed with "ah, TriCareatops" and immediately loved the term. Which is fine, because Dependapotami is a little stale.

ded
Oct 27, 2005

Kooler than Jesus
Medicare is socialism! Marry into TRICARE instead!

Soulex
Apr 1, 2009


Cacati in mano e pigliati a schiaffi!

joat mon posted:

Not until there's some evidence that anyone on the Trump side solicited, accepted, or received dirt on Clinton from the Russians.
The accounts of the meeting (at least the public ones) don't have any of that.

"Russia...if youre listening...release the emails"

maffew buildings
Apr 29, 2009

too dumb to be probated; not too dumb to be autobanned
They didn't give money, and they didn't even have info! How can it be illegal, they didn't even have anything for us!

As Nero Danced
Sep 3, 2009

Alright, let's do this

Maybe he's telling the truth, he's so unconcerned about junior he just sold him out.

Relentlessboredomm
Oct 15, 2006

It's Sic Semper Tyrannis. You said, "Ever faithful terrible lizard."

CRUSTY MINGE posted:

Saw this posted in gbs followed with "ah, TriCareatops" and immediately loved the term. Which is fine, because Dependapotami is a little stale.

Oh I like that. Dependapotami will never be stale but there's so many of them we could certainly use other hilarious terms.

Time Crisis Actor
Apr 28, 2002

by Hand Knit

CRUSTY MINGE posted:

"TriCareatops"
I loving love this

Nice and hot piss
Feb 1, 2004

Sergg posted:



Side note: are you a Nurse Practitioner? You seem way smarter than the average nurse.

Naw, just an RN/paramedic.

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:
Saudi Arabia just expelled the Canadian ambassador and froze all new trade. Apparently they really didn't like our advocacy for imprisoned civil rights activists. Seems a trifle extreme to me :shrug:

https://www.google.ca/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1KQ0QI

joat mon
Oct 15, 2009

I am the master of my lamp;
I am the captain of my tub.

Thalantos posted:

Didn't they go into that meeting with the Russians intending to get dirt, tho?

How does intent fit into criminal law?

Different intent. In your sense, going to a meeting with the intent to get dirt is like going to a protest to get in a fight. Intend all you want, but it's not illegal until you get in a fight.
Now, if you conspire with others to get into a fight, that's a whole 'nother rabbit hole.

Intent in the law works a bit differently. One has to do an action that is illegal in order to break the law. Thinking, wanting, hoping, going over in your mind, about a crime isn't illegal.
Generally* one must intend to do the illegal action. This actually makes it easier for the prosecutor. He/she doesn't have to prove you had the intent to break the law, only that you intended to do the act that broke the law. In this sense the intent is basically volition. This most basic of intent plus an illegal act equals a crime. (usually) E.g., soliciting/accepting foreign in-kind political contributions is a general intent crime - the prosecutor doesn't have to prove you did it with bad intent, just that you did it of your own volition.
*This kind of intent of called general intent. There is another kind of intent that does require some intent of the kind you're thinking of. Those are called specific intent crimes. In addition to a criminal _act_, the act must be done with some flavor of bad intent. E.g., several of the obstruction of justice statutes require that the obstruction 1) be done and 2) be done "corruptly." In addition to the act of obstructing, the prosecutor additionally has to prove that the act was done with corrupt intent. Specific intent crimes require more work, more proof, and have more room for reasonable doubt.

Wanting something illegal isn't illegal.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

STOMP'N ON INTO THE POWERLINES

Exciting Lemon

joat mon posted:

Intent in the law works a bit differently. One has to do an action that is illegal in order to break the law. Thinking, wanting, hoping, going over in your mind, about a crime isn't illegal.

[...]

Wanting something illegal isn't illegal.

**unless it’s considered terrorism

Hot Karl Marx
Mar 16, 2009

Politburo regulations about social distancing require to downgrade your Karlmarxing to cold, and sorry about the dnc primaries, please enjoy!

The Iron Rose posted:

Saudi Arabia just expelled the Canadian ambassador and froze all new trade. Apparently they really didn't like our advocacy for imprisoned civil rights activists. Seems a trifle extreme to me :shrug:

https://www.google.ca/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1KQ0QI

give us back the LAVs you bought from us then KSA


edit:

https://twitter.com/jeffreyianross/status/1026251925484916736

:capitalism:

Hot Karl Marx fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Aug 6, 2018

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Relentlessboredomm posted:

Gentlemen, gentlemen this debate has been settled for some time. Mississippi is far and away the worst state. It's not even close. No matter how terrible any state might be nothing holds a candle to MS.

Mississippi leads the country in childhood vaccinations.

It's Alabama that's The Worst.

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

Mississippi leads the country in childhood vaccinations.

It's Alabama that's The Worst.

It wasn't "worst" it was "most boring."

And man if you think Ohio is, you haven't been to Nebraska.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.
Most boring? Probably Kansas.

Flying_Crab
Apr 12, 2002



What about North Dakota?

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Stultus Maximus posted:

It wasn't "worst" it was "most boring."

And man if you think Ohio is, you haven't been to Nebraska.

Ohio is the most boring relative to both the number of people that live there and the chance that an average person will end up being sent there for work.

Hexyflexy
Sep 2, 2011

asymptotically approaching one

DoktorLoken posted:

What about North Dakota?

A mate of mine just went through there on a road trip. I think he described it roughly as 10% racism, 90% corn.

Flikken
Oct 23, 2009

10,363 snaps and not a playoff win to show for it

psydude posted:

Ohio is the most boring relative to both the number of people that live there and the chance that an average person will end up being sent there for work.

So it's the most boring when compared to.....which states exactly?

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Flikken posted:

So it's the most boring when compared to.....which states exactly?

Well he mentioned Nebraska, but Nebraska doesn't have any major cities and 11.6 million people living in it. And yet 95% of Ohio could be mistaken for Nebraska.

Flikken
Oct 23, 2009

10,363 snaps and not a playoff win to show for it

psydude posted:

Well he mentioned Nebraska, but Nebraska doesn't have any major cities and 11.6 million people living in it. And yet 95% of Ohio could be mistaken for Nebraska.


And that still didn't answer my question. Which states ARE you stacking Ohio against?

Well, what are you looking for in a major city that Ohio doesn't have?

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Flikken posted:

Well, what are you looking for in a mjor city that Ohio doesn't have?

Natural beauty of the surrounding area that doesn't involve hundreds of miles of farms periodically interrupted by factory towns?

Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010

Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?

joat mon posted:

Different intent. In your sense, going to a meeting with the intent to get dirt is like going to a protest to get in a fight. Intend all you want, but it's not illegal until you get in a fight.
Now, if you conspire with others to get into a fight, that's a whole 'nother rabbit hole.

Intent in the law works a bit differently. One has to do an action that is illegal in order to break the law. Thinking, wanting, hoping, going over in your mind, about a crime isn't illegal.
Generally* one must intend to do the illegal action. This actually makes it easier for the prosecutor. He/she doesn't have to prove you had the intent to break the law, only that you intended to do the act that broke the law. In this sense the intent is basically volition. This most basic of intent plus an illegal act equals a crime. (usually) E.g., soliciting/accepting foreign in-kind political contributions is a general intent crime - the prosecutor doesn't have to prove you did it with bad intent, just that you did it of your own volition.
*This kind of intent of called general intent. There is another kind of intent that does require some intent of the kind you're thinking of. Those are called specific intent crimes. In addition to a criminal _act_, the act must be done with some flavor of bad intent. E.g., several of the obstruction of justice statutes require that the obstruction 1) be done and 2) be done "corruptly." In addition to the act of obstructing, the prosecutor additionally has to prove that the act was done with corrupt intent. Specific intent crimes require more work, more proof, and have more room for reasonable doubt.

Wanting something illegal isn't illegal.

I just woke up and I'm gonna have to read this post once more after I've had a coffee. Because right now, it reads like the missile knows where it is

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

psydude posted:

Natural beauty of the surrounding area that doesn't involve hundreds of miles of farms periodically interrupted by factory towns?

Ohio is superior to almost the entire time zone just to the west of it.

Flikken
Oct 23, 2009

10,363 snaps and not a playoff win to show for it

psydude posted:

Natural beauty of the surrounding area that doesn't involve hundreds of miles of farms periodically interrupted by factory towns?

So you are saying that for a state with that large of a population it should have more natural beauty?

Also ignoring it's coastline, National and state parks and that almost a third of the state is just forests and rolling hills?

Relentlessboredomm
Oct 15, 2006

It's Sic Semper Tyrannis. You said, "Ever faithful terrible lizard."

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

Mississippi leads the country in childhood vaccinations.

It's Alabama that's The Worst.

MS is Alabama minus the cities ie minus any pockets of good.

Mississippi is the worst for education, per capita income, and basically anything good

It's number 1 for STDs and basically everything bad. It's a garbage state.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Flikken posted:

So you are saying that for a state with that large of a population it should have more natural beauty?

Also ignoring it's coastline, National and state parks and that almost a third of the state is just forests and rolling hills?

I'm not saying it should have anything. I'm saying that with 4 major cities and 11.6 million people you'd expect more to do. Nobody expects that out of Nebraska and Oklahoma. Cincinnati is nice, though. Although they pretend to be a part of Kentucky.

e: If you like living in Ohio, good on you. Denmark and Singapore are really boring to visit, too, and people really enjoy living there

psydude fucked around with this message at 04:11 on Aug 6, 2018

Soulex
Apr 1, 2009


Cacati in mano e pigliati a schiaffi!

Bangladesh js loving wild right now.

Flikken
Oct 23, 2009

10,363 snaps and not a playoff win to show for it

psydude posted:

I'm not saying it should have anything. I'm saying that with 4 major cities and 11.6 million people you'd expect more to do.

Cincinnati is nice, though. Although they pretend to be a part of Kentucky.

What are you looking to do? Because those metro areas offer everything that any other major city does too.



Edit:I don't live in Ohio.

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Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Stultus Maximus posted:

And man if you think Ohio is, you haven't been to Nebraska.

I moved from Oklahoma to Nebraska in middle school. That loving sucked.

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