Aeronautical Insanity: switching to secondary tolerances

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mekilljoydammit: Jan 28, 2016; Me have motors that scream to 10,000rpm. Me have more cars than Pick and Pull

MrChips posted:

Oh man, a DCS F-104 would be incredible, I would buy it in a second regardless if it cost $100 or not.

Also, call me weird but I would love to see something like a DCS B-1.

Not an emptyquote.

# ? Aug 4, 2018 22:54

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# ? Jun 4, 2024 19:09

Ola: Jul 19, 2004

MrChips posted:

Also, call me weird but I would love to see something like a DCS B-1.

DCS Vulcan Nuclear Holocaust. Scramble out of Biggin Marmite Worcesterfield, low level all across Europe, toss delivery for maximum panache. Secondary Fallout clone unlocks if you can belly land in a ukranian wheat field (or perhaps some post-apocalyptic Leisure Suit Larry is a better sub game). Reuse map resources in Tu-95 sim, high level penetration or sneaky defection game. Bonus in both cases, no need to worry about complicated dynamic campaigns.

# ? Aug 4, 2018 23:19

MikeCrotch: Nov 5, 2011; I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

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more like BOLLOCKnese

MrChips posted:

My favourite is the MiG-21. It's just a silly, stupid mostly impractical rocket ship.

Also DCS Huey too

E: I can't wait for DCS MiG-23, for an even sillier, stupider, impracticaler rocket ship

please please please tell me they are going to model the friction brake on the swing wings for maximum lawn dart action

# ? Aug 4, 2018 23:33

~Coxy: Dec 9, 2003; R.I.P. Inter-OS Sass - b.2000AD d.2003AD

Ola posted:

DCS Vulcan Nuclear Holocaust. Scramble out of Biggin Marmite Worcesterfield, low level all across Europe, toss delivery for maximum panache. Secondary Fallout clone unlocks if you can belly land in a ukranian wheat field (or perhaps some post-apocalyptic Leisure Suit Larry is a better sub game). Reuse map resources in Tu-95 sim, high level penetration or sneaky defection game. Bonus in both cases, no need to worry about complicated dynamic campaigns.

Operation Thunderball as free DLC.
Remember to turn on the underwater landing lights.

# ? Aug 5, 2018 01:17

PainterofCrap: Oct 17, 2002; hey bebe

MrYenko posted:

Ja...

A large multicrew bomber like the B-1 is another desire I have, but it will probably never happen, and I actually think the place for it would be in the WWII side. DCS: B-17G is the obvious move, but DCS: Avro Lancaster would be amazing as well.

Geneseo, 2013

# ? Aug 5, 2018 02:09

HookedOnChthonics: Dec 5, 2015; Profoundly dull

^^^
Bomber Crew came so, so close, and yet so far...

Anyway, got facetime with a beast today.

(In case anyone was wondering)

# ? Aug 5, 2018 02:22

BIG HEADLINE: Jun 13, 2006; "Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

HookedOnChthonics posted:

Bomber Crew came so, so close, and yet so far...

I love Runner Duck has clammed up about the B-17 DLC lately. :smith:

# ? Aug 5, 2018 02:26

TheFluff: Dec 13, 2006; FRIENDS, LISTEN TO ME
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Shame on you all who haven't hyped DCS: AJS 37 Viggen :colbert:

# ? Aug 5, 2018 03:39

Full Collapse: Dec 4, 2002

Viggen is trash because it�ll never be completed. :c

e: I still love it, though. :sweden:

# ? Aug 5, 2018 03:50

Buttcoin purse: Apr 24, 2014

Maybe everyone is already aware, but there was a Tornado sim released in the early '90s (DOS and Amiga) which seemed pretty detailed for the era. It had a big manual, mission planning where you could plan strike packages, and simulated both IDS and ADV. The graphics didn't exactly seem amazing at the time though so I guess they would look pretty bad today :v:

I remember it being fun trying to line up JP-223 runs properly, getting ALARMs to loiter, and trying to do well at the bombing range when practicing toss/loft bombing, but I'm not sure I ever did well at a campaign.

# ? Aug 5, 2018 04:18

priznat: Jul 7, 2009; Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.

Buttcoin purse posted:

Maybe everyone is already aware, but there was a Tornado sim released in the early '90s (DOS and Amiga) which seemed pretty detailed for the era. It had a big manual, mission planning where you could plan strike packages, and simulated both IDS and ADV. The graphics didn't exactly seem amazing at the time though so I guess they would look pretty bad today

I remember it being fun trying to line up JP-223 runs properly, getting ALARMs to loiter, and trying to do well at the bombing range when practicing toss/loft bombing, but I'm not sure I ever did well at a campaign.

Oh wow I had totally forgotten about that but I definitely played it a lot. I was all about JP-223 runs smushing runways.

# ? Aug 5, 2018 04:26

Ardeem: Sep 16, 2010; There is no problem that cannot be solved through sufficient application of lasers and friendship.

Copying from the California thread because relevant:

The Glumslinger posted:

https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1025849959449600000

# ? Aug 5, 2018 04:35

e.pilot: Nov 20, 2011; sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

Jesus that almost looks fake

# ? Aug 5, 2018 04:36

ThisIsJohnWayne: Feb 23, 2007; Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!

TheFluff posted:

Shame on you all who haven't hyped DCS: AJS 37 Viggen

That's because I want JA-37. I have the 37 already, but drat if it if I'm not reading the updates every time, thinking "'is it ready yet? Are the bugs out? Are they starting to model the RM-8B yet?"

# ? Aug 5, 2018 06:14

Previa_fun: Nov 10, 2004

ThisIsJohnWayne posted:

That's because I want JA-37. I have the 37 already, but drat if it if I'm not reading the updates every time, thinking "'is it ready yet? Are the bugs out? Are they starting to model the RM-8B yet?"

I love that airplane because besides looking awesome the RM-8 is basically an afterburning JT8D and I find that hilarious for some reason. I think my mind just jumps to the possibility of a 727 climbing out with a deafening roar and tail of shock diamonds behind it.

# ? Aug 5, 2018 08:03

Mzuri: Jun 5, 2004; Who's the boss?
Dudes is lost.
Don't think coz I'm iced out,
I'm cooled off.

Mary Ellis died this week, aged 101.

Here is video from her 100th birthday, when she piloted a Spitfire for the last time: https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-england-hampshire-38852991/ww2-spitfire-pilot-mary-ellis-from-isle-of-wight-turns-100

The Economist has a stellar obituary (as usual): https://www.economist.com/obituary/2018/08/04/mary-ellis-nee-wilkins-died-on-july-24th

quote:

In Love with Spitfires

Mary Ellis, n�e Wilkins, died on July 24th

One of the last surviving ferry pilots in Britain�s wartime Air Transport Auxiliary was 101

THE first time Mary Ellis, then Wilkins, saw the sleek small fighter aircraft parked in the distance on a runway, she fell in love. Perhaps it sounded like nonsense, to fall for an aeroplane. But when she came to make her first flight in one, as a 25-year-old pilot ferrying aircraft between Britain�s airfields in the second world war, she knew for certain.

The date was October 15th 1942. From the moment she picked up her chitty in the morning, with the list of planes she had to deliver that day, her heart was pounding with joy. As she climbed in, just the ticket in her Air Transport Auxiliary uniform of dark navy slacks, fur-lined boots and navy jacket with golden wings, she caught a glimpse of her blonde curls in the Perspex canopy of the cockpit. She never wore a leather helmet; it didn�t do much for the hairstyle, and she was fond of fashion. But she had not forgotten lipstick and nail polish, because this was an assignation.

Inside the cockpit it was warm, snug and quiet. As she slowly commanded the propeller to turn, turn and spin fast, she felt the Spitfire respond to every move of hers. The thrust and virility she also felt, right through her bones, building to 2,400 revs per minute and a take-off speed of 150mph, came from the magnificent 12-cylinder Merlin engine, erupting like a symphony and blasting out a three-second show of flame. But the wonderful aircraft itself had become her outer layer, a dynamic metal sheath like the feathers on a hawk. The whole experience, she had to admit, was sexual and orgasmic, and like a dream. Who needed love, with all its tortures and entanglements, when there was this? From the age of three she had wanted her wings to grow so she could reach the shimmering sky. Now she had them she was free, full of adrenalin and purpose.

She had flown many kinds of planes since, at 15, she was allowed to skip hockey at her school in Burford and take flying lessons instead. Most of them were pretty little aircraft, such as Tiger Moths and Swallows. If women were to fly at all, an odd thought in itself, those seemed the right type. Though the shapely Spitfire was often seen as a lady�s plane, the notion of a girl at the controls of the sexiest thing going sent a shudder through commanding officers everywhere. The demands of war, the need to get fighter planes to the RAF boys as fast as possible, meant they just had to put up with it�even when this particular girl, all five feet two of her, was silly and romantic enough to write �Wilkins ATA� in the cockpit of one Spitfire, in the hope some handsome chap might get in touch.

The bigger the plane, the worse the prejudice. When she flew Wellington bombers, glorious aircraft, so reliable and well-mannered, some ground crews were flabbergasted she was the pilot. (This did not put her off, and she was training to fly four-engine Lancaster bombers when the war ended.) In the ATA itself, which took women from 1940, about 12% of the pilots were female, and not all ferry pools would accept them. The worst, she found, were RAF airfields, where the ground crews often ignored her and, if one wanted to spend a penny, one had to find a bush, as the loos were men-only. She learned early in the ATA not to drink too much tea before a flight�only afterwards, when she sometimes managed a quick bike ride home to her parents near the airfield at Brize Norton, for a cup and a spot of tennis. They never really knew what her job was.

At least after 1943 there was equal pay for men and women of the ATA, about �6 a week. For, after all, they faced the same dangers and had the same scrapes�flying, as they did, without radios, relying only on compasses and Bradshaw�s Railway Guides. She met anti-aircraft fire over Bournemouth, barrage balloons suddenly popping up, doodle bugs coming for her, and engine failure. Friends got killed. Each of those horrors she dealt with calmly; one didn�t get excited, just got on with the job. Besides, men did not own war; women knew about duty, too. It was terribly annoying when after one crash-landing she had to be rescued by men from a field, because she was besieged by curious cows.

All through, the Spitfire remained her soulmate. When in 1946 she flew one alone for the last time, she reflected that never again would young women have the chance to fly such a beautiful aircraft so often and so freely. Still in love with the fast and the furious, she joined the RAF for a time, flying Gloster Meteor jetfighters, and bought a gorgeous black Allard K1 sports car in which she whipped about the roads and won rallies. She took on the management of Sandown airport in the Isle of Wight, setting up a school there where women could learn to fly. Later she married Don Ellis, a gliding instructor, which brought happy years, though she never took to gliding. She missed engine power.

As the liveliest member of the shrinking band of ATA veterans, straight-backed and without a stick even at 100, she never missed a chance to wear her uniform, trim navy with its golden wings. And at 100 she also, for 15 minutes, took the controls of a Spitfire again. Another flew alongside as an escort of honour, and a co-pilot sat with her, but of course it would have been even more wizard without them. For in her dreams a feisty little Spitfire was always out on the horizon, waiting for her to climb in and become a bird again; away into the clouds, close and fast, on and on.

Mzuri fucked around with this message at 12:09 on Aug 5, 2018

# ? Aug 5, 2018 08:39

Kia Soul Enthusias: May 9, 2004; zoom-zoom; Toilet Rascal

hell yeah

# ? Aug 5, 2018 08:46

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

An excellent reminder that sexism has no place in aviation and anyone who doesn't think women are as good at flying as men can and should immediately gently caress straight off out of the industry forever, in my humble opinion.

# ? Aug 5, 2018 13:35

MrYenko: Jun 18, 2012; #2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

Previa_fun posted:

...the possibility of a 727 climbing out with a deafening roar and tail of shock diamonds behind it.

You�ve clearly never heard an early one with single digit JT8s.

# ? Aug 5, 2018 14:23

slidebite: Nov 6, 2005; Good egg

Out of nowhere files, a Ju-52 crashes in the alps doing passenger duty.
http://avherald.com/h?article=4bbf2069

I had no idea that "ju" air was a thing
https://www.ju-air.ch/en/

# ? Aug 5, 2018 15:48

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MrYenko posted:

You�ve clearly never heard an early one with single digit JT8s.

Mexicana also bought a set of 727s with provisions for RATO gear, though I don't think it was ever actually used.

# ? Aug 5, 2018 16:16

Nebakenezzer: Sep 13, 2005; The Mote in God's Eye

slidebite posted:

Out of nowhere files, a Ju-52 crashes in the alps doing passenger duty.
http://avherald.com/h?article=4bbf2069

I had no idea that "ju" air was a thing
https://www.ju-air.ch/en/

If you are ever in Barcelona, there is apparently a company that does tours with the Spanish Ju 52.

# ? Aug 5, 2018 17:58

slidebite: Nov 6, 2005; Good egg

Interestingly enough, I am going to be in Barcelona next month although I strongly doubt I'll have enough time to do that, even though it sounds awesome.

# ? Aug 5, 2018 19:01

Fender Anarchist: May 20, 2009; Fender Anarchist

Now here's some proper weapons-grade Aeronautical Insanity:

Grumio posted:

General Dynamics HQ, 1976
"What if we could supplement the F-16 with the A-10's Gau-8?"
"Be right back"

https://twitter.com/Fighterman_FFRC/status/1025968291125317633

# ? Aug 6, 2018 00:08

Kilonum: Sep 30, 2002; You know where you are? You're in the suburbs, baby. You're gonna drive.

Nebakenezzer posted:

If you are ever in Barcelona, there is apparently a company that does tours with the Spanish Ju 52.

Between that one, Ju-Air's 3 remaining planes, and a few others, 7 remain airworthy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airworthy_Ju_52s

Kilonum fucked around with this message at 00:56 on Aug 6, 2018

# ? Aug 6, 2018 00:53

Dr. Despair: Nov 4, 2009; 39 perfect posts with each roll.

Enourmo posted:

Now here's some proper weapons-grade Aeronautical Insanity:

more proof that we wound up in the lovely timeline

# ? Aug 6, 2018 01:09

TheFluff: Dec 13, 2006; FRIENDS, LISTEN TO ME
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Previa_fun posted:

I love that airplane because besides looking awesome the RM-8 is basically an afterburning JT8D and I find that hilarious for some reason. I think my mind just jumps to the possibility of a 727 climbing out with a deafening roar and tail of shock diamonds behind it.

The RM8 doesn't produce shock diamonds at low altitude, the nozzle isn't built that way. If you see shock diamonds on takeoff, you immediately know that plane is up to no good, because that means the exhaust is overexpanded and the nozzle is optimized for high altitude. Deeply suspicious and probably selling drugs. Compare the heathen Hornet corrupting our youth:

to the god-fearing Viggen walking the path of the righteous:

TheFluff fucked around with this message at 01:47 on Aug 6, 2018

# ? Aug 6, 2018 01:44

StandardVC10: Feb 6, 2007; This avatar now 50% more dark mode compliant

"Dispersed basing scheme" is really just a fancy way of saying "hiding jet fighters in the bushes" isn't it.

# ? Aug 6, 2018 02:04

TheFluff: Dec 13, 2006; FRIENDS, LISTEN TO ME
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StandardVC10 posted:

"Dispersed basing scheme" is really just a fancy way of saying "hiding jet fighters in the bushes" isn't it.

Camouflage is an ancient and noble art :colbert:

# ? Aug 6, 2018 02:07

FBS: Apr 27, 2015; The real fun of living wisely is that you get to be smug about it.

Enourmo posted:

Now here's some proper weapons-grade Aeronautical Insanity:

Which anime is this from?

# ? Aug 6, 2018 03:46

Fender Anarchist: May 20, 2009; Fender Anarchist

FBS posted:

Which anime is this from?

Macross wishes it had fighter designs that wild.

# ? Aug 6, 2018 03:55

david_a: Apr 24, 2010; Megamarm

I got to fly in a T-6 Texan today!!!

The paint scheme is not correct for a T-6 but some of the last P-47s were painted this way, for whatever reason. You�ll notice that the rear canopy of this one is fully retractable. Apparently they were originally set up with a gun back there so people could train on shooting backwards. On most T-6�s when they removed the gun mount they just bolted the rear part of the canopy in place. The seat still swings around, but I�m too drat tall so I couldn�t do it

It was fun and an 80 degree banked turn is, uh, a tiny bit unnerving when you�ve never experienced one before :shobon:

# ? Aug 6, 2018 03:55

FuturePastNow: May 19, 2014

Kilonum posted:

Between that one, Ju-Air's 3 remaining planes, and a few others, 7 remain airworthy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airworthy_Ju_52s

If the wiki is correct, that means there are now more airworthy Ford Trimotors than Ju-52s (199 built vs. 4845)

# ? Aug 6, 2018 05:12

HookedOnChthonics: Dec 5, 2015; Profoundly dull

Enourmo posted:

Now here's some proper weapons-grade Aeronautical Insanity:

I have questions. Questions about landing gear.

# ? Aug 6, 2018 06:11

Vahakyla: May 3, 2013

Shameful that DCS was mentioned but no thread was linked. All your questions will be answered, be it hardware or software.

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3633891

# ? Aug 6, 2018 06:20

Rudest Buddhist: May 26, 2005; You only lose what you cling to, bitch.; Fun Shoe

david_a posted:

I got to fly in a T-6 Texan today!!!

Nice! Was this with a CAF wing or something similar?

# ? Aug 6, 2018 07:46

lilbeefer: Oct 4, 2004

PT6A posted:

An excellent reminder that sexism has no place in aviation and anyone who doesn't think women are as good at flying as men can and should immediately gently caress straight off out of the industry forever, in my humble opinion.

I might be misremembering badly, but I'm sure I read somewhere that biologically women may be better suited to flying fighters (or any aircraft really) for various reasons including less bullshit machismo and technically a better reaction to g-forces thanks to a typically lower body mass....

again could be wrong but dont normally see :biotruths:

skew in favour of females so that's pretty awesome

# ? Aug 6, 2018 09:43

Truga: May 4, 2014; Lipstick Apathy

The lower body mass thing is minor, but the machismo thing is definitely a big factor and also very much a learned, not inherited trait so :v:

# ? Aug 6, 2018 09:46

lilbeefer: Oct 4, 2004

Surely the higher the G pulled, the more weight matters

# ? Aug 6, 2018 09:56

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# ? Jun 4, 2024 19:09

Ola: Jul 19, 2004

I wonder if it's something with body proportions and G-straining. Immediate Google result:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3753357

quote:

G tolerances of 102 women and 139 men subjected to Standard Medical Evaluation (Medeval) G Profiles were compared. Unpaired t-tests revealed no significant difference between the women and men in either relaxed or straining G tolerance. Covariance analysis controlling for differences in tolerance due to age, height, weight, and activity status revealed the women to have marginally lower tolerance; the analysis also identified height as a factor having a strong negative influence on G tolerance, and weight as having a positive influence. When the women were matched only by height to the men in the comparison group, the women's mean G tolerances were significantly lower than the men's. On Standard Training G Profiles 88% of 24 women and 80% of 213 men completed the runs, but this difference was not significant. G tolerances of 47 women were measured on the Medeval Profiles both during and between menses, but no significant differences related to menstruation were found. No important differences between women and men in signs or symptoms of G stress were observed, except for two instances of urinary stress incontinence in women during the Training Profiles. We conclude that women should not categorically be excluded from aircrew duties for reasons of G intolerance.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3753357

"Not notoriously triggerhappy warmongers" might be a cultural quality instead of a biological one, but it does seem that the world would have benefited from staffing all armies with exclusively women.

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