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Dalris Othaine posted:re: Wizard Hitler, wasn't there an entire movie out about that recently? Kinda, the big twist was that it was actually about Wizard Hitler.
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Renegade Cause is pretty good, except Tonks is an author-pet pedophile :/quote:"Well, besides that, it's a spell that's got a manageable area of effect, and is ridiculously easy to cast to boot – the perfect spell to handle Dark wizards. Not to mention that it's a blast at parties." Tonks winked provocatively. "And during sex." quote:"You see, insanity's a bit like a sexually transmitted disease – now that's a term you don't hear too often at Hogwarts!", Peeves said. Circular Reasoning is pretty fun in the sense of cold war British dystopian fantasies, like Judge Dredd. EDIT: lmao quote:Harry glared at Tonks, but she only laughed. So, awkwardly holding the sheet around him, he pulled down his boxers and tossed them with the rest of his clothes. End of Shoelace fucked around with this message at 14:11 on Aug 6, 2018 |
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Christ just write your story where adult Harry or your own adult self insert gets to gently caress tonks, you don't have to have kids loving even if you are writing Harry Potter fanfic. There are adults in the setting!
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Qwertycoatl posted:Then Herminone dies and it's suddenly totally reasonable to try to bring the dead back to life because he really wants to. The part where the human brain starts to irreparably decay after at the very most four minutes of being unoxygenated, meaning that information is permanently lost in an unrecoverable "taking a magnet to a VHS tape" way, is usually lost on those people. Incidentally, this means that all those people who had their heads put in liquid nitrogen after substantially more than four minutes? Might as well have gotten themselves incinerated for all the good it will do them, because the best they can hope for is getting resurrected for an eternal afterlife as a complete vegetable, if even that much were possible. Did I mention Yudkowsky is a desperate believer in cryonics? Because Yudkowsky is a desperate believer in cryonics and has already paid in advance for getting his noggin' frozen at some point. Cardiovorax fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Aug 6, 2018 |
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more good bits from renegade cause: - tonks basically grooms harry constantly. so far she has also disguised as a hufflepuff 4th grader girl to lure harry into a closet and french kiss him - harry and tonks need to kill the wife of an education board member to get harry an audience/interrogation with no members on the opposition. they also need a corpse for a blood magic rite to transfer harrys consciousness into it so he can travel outside hogwarts to gain further allies. tonks tells harry she wouldnt mind bending his naked ladycorpse over a table. NOTE: HE IS FIFTEEN YEARS OLD - harry growls something in anger about 500 times - harry uses avada kedavra on a person he doesnt know because he is remorseless and world-wise - snape says "gently caress" - peeves is pretty much the ghost of joker from the killing joke, and works for a mysterious hidden darkness. he quotes green day and is truely insane™ - the entire story happens because harry refused to surrender his wand to the ministry after saving dudley from dementors. instead, he blinds ministry officials by blowing up a mirror. he runs away from ministry "hit wizards" on his broom and four of them die after they crash into an airplane. harry is worried hes in trouble and angry at people freaking out at him - one of the dead is the brother of the hit wizard head chief. he slowly goes nuts with grief, and after harry kills him in a duel hes relieved the terror to himself is finally over - the author accidentally uses a first person pronoun, referring to himself, when writing harry during an erotic situation with tonks renegade cause presents the story of a manipulative psychopath harry, in which he acts as an almost fantastical trope of an "abusive victim". simultaneously being exploited, yet taking advantage of his surrounding plight constantly. its contrasted with harrys distrust of people, until a pedophile develops a sexually charged relationship with him. none of the ethics are put under question by the writer. im guessing the author does not come from a very healthy place to write stuff like this.
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# ? Aug 6, 2018 17:12 |
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The Harry Tonks thing was probably less disturbing to me because that's a common pairing in Harry Potter fanfics in general but lol i completely missed that I typo the first time around yeesh
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End of Shoelace posted:more good bits from renegade cause:
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End of Shoelace posted:more good bits from renegade cause:
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End of Shoelace posted:more good bits from renegade cause: for all of the poo poo a person can give bland-but-competent fics like the arithmancer well it's still a top-tier fic, because below the top 0.1% there's a lot of stuff like renegade cause
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End of Shoelace posted:- the author accidentally uses a first person pronoun, referring to himself, when writing harry during an erotic situation with tonks I love it.
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# ? Aug 7, 2018 01:36 |
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I had to go look it up. She's supposed to be in her mid-20's.
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# ? Aug 7, 2018 06:50 |
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It just crossed my mind that a side-by-side examination of HPMOR and My Immortal would probably be as educational as it would be terrible.
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# ? Aug 7, 2018 12:20 |
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Chapter 100: Precautionary Measures, Pt 1 Draco and Tracey have detention for arbitrary reasons. They're assigned to hunt the unicorn killer in the Forbidden Forest with Hagrid and a couple of cameos. quote:Draco's eyes narrowed, before he caught himself. As a Silvery Slytherin he wasn't supposed to be Prejudiced against any sentient being, especially not where other people might see him. http://googology.wikia.com/wiki/Buchholz_hydra I have literally no idea what any of that means though. quote:"Unicorn's blood," Hagrid said. The huge man's voice was sad. 2. https://mygeekwisdom.com/2012/12/01/you-can-kill-a-vampire-however-the-gently caress-you-want-because-vampires-dont-loving-exist "I have the CORRECT understanding of made up bullshit, while you have incorrect understanding" is just the dumbest loving thing. You can tell exactly just how stupid a wannabe smart director / screenwriter is by how much time he spends sneering at "our vampires aren't like OTHER movie vampires". (If you're a complete imbecile, like the person who does the Dresden Files, you'll first sneer about movie vampires, then do a version of vampires that is painfully loving traditional) Edit - and any one of these people would probably happily go on a tirade about how stupid doctrinal differences in actual religions are. quote:"Even if most Dark Wizards are from Slytherin, very few Slytherins are Dark Wizards. There aren't all that many Dark Wizards, so not all Slytherins can be one." Or as Father had said, while any Malfoy should certainly know much of the secret lore, the more... costly rituals were better left to useful fools like Amycus Carrow. quote:"You two wait here!" Hagrid shouted. "Stay where yeh are, I'll come back for yeh!" quote:Then a blazing silver ball of light plunged out of the night sky and hung there, illuminating the forest as bright as daylight, and the seething outline leapt backwards, as though in horror of the light. quote:Harry didn't answer. The sense of doom was as strong as Harry could ever remember feeling it, a feeling of power in the air so great that it was almost tangible. Some part of him was still viscerally shocked at how fast the shields surrounding the Aurors had been torn apart. He almost hadn't been able to see the successive lashes of color which had torn away the shields like tissue paper. It made the duel Professor Quirrell had fought against the Auror in Azkaban look like a mockery, a child's game - though Professor Quirrell had claimed, then, that if he'd fought for real the Auror would have been dead in seconds; and Harry knew now that this was also true.
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# ? Aug 7, 2018 14:10 |
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quote:(If you're a complete imbecile, like the person who does the Dresden Files, you'll first sneer about movie vampires, then do a version of vampires that is painfully loving traditional) I mean, I'll admit I may just not be as familiar with vampire stories as you are, but "Mayan bat monsters who hide inside human-looking flesh sacks" isn't what I'd call a traditional depiction of vampires, painfully or otherwise. I'm not sure how that spells 'complete imbecile.'
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# ? Aug 7, 2018 14:44 |
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Yudkowsky posted:Just how high did the power ladder go?
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# ? Aug 7, 2018 14:45 |
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Cardiovorax posted:Honestly, I've met a lot of people who don't really like the Dresden Files and I understand why they wouldn't, but I think this may be the first time I've heard it said with that much vitriol. I thought they were rather entertaining, creative and cleverly written for urban fantasy - and certainly especially so for something that started out as an intentional attempt to take as many noir and horror clichés as possible while still making an interesting and successful novel of it. Jim Butcher used to be a Vampire: The Masquerade LARPer. This informs his work heavily.
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# ? Aug 7, 2018 14:52 |
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Tiggum posted:I'm pretty sure that in the original books everyone's pretty much using the same spells. Liquid Communism posted:Jim Butcher used to be a Vampire: The Masquerade LARPer. Cardiovorax fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Aug 7, 2018 |
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Cardiovorax posted:Honestly, I've met a lot of people who don't really like the Dresden Files and I understand why they wouldn't, but I think this may be the first time I've heard it said with that much vitriol. I thought they were rather entertaining, creative and cleverly written for urban fantasy - and certainly especially so for something that started out as an intentional attempt to take as many noir and horror clichés as possible while still making an interesting and successful novel of it. I don't agree with everything, but yeah.
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Xander77 posted:http://www.dragon-quill.net/category/books/dresden-files/ Then again, maybe I'm just more inured to the general awfulness of fantasy as a genre. When you put the worst parts of the Dresden Files next to the best parts of Sword of Truth, the flaws barely even register anymore. Cardiovorax fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Aug 7, 2018 |
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Tiggum posted:I'm pretty sure that in the original books everyone's pretty much using the same spells. There's none of this "higher level magic" that just beats lower level spells like it's a video game. That's why Molly Weasley is able to kill Bellatrix. If "power levels" existed then Mrs Weasley secretly being powerful enough to defeat one of the most feared bad guys would be absurd. Her best spells would just bounce off or do nothing. yeah there's 'advanced' spells or knowledge, but it just means complex. Like you learn it later in school or in self-study/experimentation. It's difficult to perform, but has flashier or more specialized effects, or might take an opponent by surprise or they might not know how to counter it. People who can consistently use those complex spells are dangerous- you never know what exactly they're trying to do. However, someone using simple spells that are quick, easy and they can do consistently can match them, like you said. It's like a martial art- doing a spinning flying triple kick is awesome, and when it works it works, but 99.99% of the time you are better off just sticking to the basic punches and grapples.
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# ? Aug 7, 2018 17:48 |
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From quick skimming, nothing on that Dresden criticism seems particularly beyond the pale for sci-fi/fantasy novels.
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# ? Aug 7, 2018 18:27 |
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Cardiovorax posted:Eh. Like I said, I can see why people don't like it, but I think I'll pass on reading more of that. "[I've read the first chapter and] from where I'm standing, it looks like it'll be poo poo all the way down" doesn't put me in mind of something that will focus on reasonable criticism. Some things that are hard to argue with: Dresden is a bullying rear end in a top hat who has a boatload of issues with women even by noir multiplied by fantasy standards. Which would have been interesting, if only the author ever became aware that he IS in fact writing a misogynistic bullying rear end in a top hat, rather than a Philip Marlowe with magic powers. Dresden wins his fights not because he's smart (the ideal way of writing conflict) or lucky (the old genre standby) or because his enemies are stupid (what the average hack resorts to) but because he's straight up overpowered, to the point that he only starts encountering enemies that can stand up to his magic 4-5 books in. The author is constantly talking about Dresden being on his last leg and about to drop from exhaustion and lack of magic power, but since his magic power stems from emotion / motivation, there's always "just" enough. The worldbuilding is terribly poorly thought out. The white council supposedly enforces the masquerade, but Dresden gets to advertise his services as a wizard openly - he can't just conjure up a flame to convince any skeptics, but CAN use magic out in the open. "Wizard powers mess with new technology" is hilariously arbitrarily applied. Not even talking about a Chicago in which the first black character is a Russian knight who appears 5 books in and the first gay character appears never. Or the terrible treatment of sex workers - both of these are probably par the course for 90's pulp fantasy. There's more, but I think the point is made. Edit - also, if this bullshit is par the course for modern fantasy, then it's worth having a look at the problems with modern fantasy, neh? Xander77 fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Aug 7, 2018 |
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Xander77 posted:What are you doing in this thread? There’s a difference?
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# ? Aug 7, 2018 19:57 |
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Xander77 posted:What are you doing in this thread? You mean like including a part where Dresden reflects to himself that if he hadn't been a chauvinistic rear end in a top hat in the second book it'd have been wrapped up in about three chapters without anyone getting murdered? quote:Dresden wins his fights not because he's smart (the ideal way of writing conflict) or lucky (the old genre standby) or because his enemies are stupid (what the average hack resorts to) but because he's straight up overpowered, to the point that he only starts encountering enemies that can stand up to his magic 4-5 books in. The author is constantly talking about Dresden being on his last leg and about to drop from exhaustion and lack of magic power, but since his magic power stems from emotion / motivation, there's always "just" enough. quote:The worldbuilding is terribly poorly thought out. The white council supposedly enforces the masquerade, Like the sexy vampires are pretty cringey I agree but there's no need to invent problems with the series lol
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# ? Aug 7, 2018 20:28 |
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Cardiovorax posted:In the books, "magical power" is directly proportional to how many spells you know and how well and how creatively you're able to use them. Fanfics like to make it out as if magic is like a muscle you can train and with which some people are just stronger than others. In the books, though, it's very much a skill. Dumbledore is a powerful wizard because he's incredibly intelligent, very studious and in the possession of oodles of obscure and specialized knowledge that most people never bother to learn. Voldemort is the same way. It doesn't take any endurance to keep casting either - at most, you'll get a sore arm from all the stick-wiggling. So the thing in the movies, where Voldemort's green beam of light would hit Harry's red beam and they would crackle against each other, is that a normal wizard thing? Like you can block an Avada Kedavra with an Expelliamus as long as you time it right? Or was that a trick of Harry's wand being connected to Voldemorts? If you can't normally block magic, I don't understand why Voldemort ever bother using any other spell. Like just keep shooting the Avada Kedavras. Why mess around with giant snakes made of fire when the spell that will kill your enemy instantly unless they hide behind a stone wall is at your disposal? Same with the good guys. Other wizards as useless without their wand to just go for the disarming spell. Why bother with anything else in a battle?
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Tunicate posted:No, they don't. Not sure where you got that idea? ... In other news, did anyone reviewing the earlier chapters ever get into how Yud is completely incapable of getting metaphors and connecting wizard world justifications for pureblood superiority with RL "scientific" racism?
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# ? Aug 7, 2018 21:42 |
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Xander77 posted:Edit - also, if this bullshit is par the course for modern fantasy, then it's worth having a look at the problems with modern fantasy, neh? Yes
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Tunicate posted:You mean like including a part where Dresden reflects to himself that if he hadn't been a chauvinistic rear end in a top hat in the second book it'd have been wrapped up in about three chapters without anyone getting murdered? He also constantly gets poo poo for it from everyone and everything around him. It's pretty blatantly obvious that it's an intended character flaw and meant to be acknowledged as a personal flaw by the reader, not as an expression of the author's own hangups. He also habitually describes himself as a "magical thug," who wins by being able to punch harder than the other guy, but who ultimately pays for not being able to fight smarter rather than harder. By, say, starting wars with an entire vampire court. It's certainly not something everyone should or needs to tolerate from a character in a series they want to enjoy, which is why I can understand that people don't like it, but if you think that giving your main character actual flaws and failures (that the author doesn't share) makes a writer a "complete imbecile," I think you may have misunderstood how character writing works. To answer the other question, the reason I read this thread is that Yudkowsky genuinely is the kind of person who can't distinguish between the opinions of his characters and his own like that, which makes it fun to poo poo on him. quote:So the thing in the movies, where Voldemort's green beam of light would hit Harry's red beam and they would crackle against each other, is that a normal wizard thing? Like you can block an Avada Kedavra with an Expelliamus as long as you time it right? Or was that a trick of Harry's wand being connected to Voldemorts? Plus, in a straight-up one on one fight, repeatedly doing the same thing over and over gets you killed. Spells move slowly enough that you can see them coming and dodge, unlike bullets. Makes for more dramatic fight scenes, I guess.
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Ccs posted:So the thing in the movies, where Voldemort's green beam of light would hit Harry's red beam and they would crackle against each other, is that a normal wizard thing? Like you can block an Avada Kedavra with an Expelliamus as long as you time it right? Or was that a trick of Harry's wand being connected to Voldemorts? The answer is that JK Rowling started writing childrens books for children and never thought of anything better. At the end of THBP it kind of hints that there is more to it when Snape blocks Harry's spells before he can say them by reading his mind but nothing ever comes of it and in the next book they go right back to shouting the same 3 spells and dodging. There is no reason to use anything but Avada Kedavra if you can but that spell is still worse than a regular old gun in pretty much every way so w/e.
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# ? Aug 7, 2018 23:43 |
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You can normally block magic though. It happens more in the movies than the books but it's definitely a thing.
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# ? Aug 7, 2018 23:54 |
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Yeah, the killing curse is an explicit exception there, in that it can be blocked by natural physical objects, but by nothing made of or from magic.
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i like that rowling is humble enough in her writing to say that a prepared muggle with a gun would kill a wizard any time of day. its easy to make magic omnipotent in your own fantasy.
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Ccs posted:So the thing in the movies, where Voldemort's green beam of light would hit Harry's red beam and they would crackle against each other, is that a normal wizard thing? Like you can block an Avada Kedavra with an Expelliamus as long as you time it right? Or was that a trick of Harry's wand being connected to Voldemorts? giant snakes made of fire can attack on non-linear vectors and do area damage; it's kind of like asking why you'd ever use a grenade when you've got a gun. the advantage that voldemort and dumbledore have over other people is that they know all sorts of weird poo poo that will surprise their opponents, which means that you can't fight them as though they're just a guy with a gun that shoots slow bullets, unlike someone who only knows the linear line of sight spells like killing/stunning/disarming the good guys usually use the stunning spell because, well, a wizard might be useless without their wand, but what if they're not? just knock them out instead and you don't need to worry about it.
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End of Shoelace posted:i like that rowling is humble enough in her writing to say that a prepared muggle with a gun would kill a wizard any time of day. its easy to make magic omnipotent in your own fantasy. She never said this, but it's kinda interesting how it's survived as a 'fact' for years and years because people enjoy the idea that she must have done , and keep repeating it
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Crimpolioni posted:She never said this, but it's kinda interesting how it's survived as a 'fact' for years and years because people enjoy the idea that she must have done , and keep repeating it It also makes extremely little sense, whether she said it or not.
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# ? Aug 8, 2018 05:48 |
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Cardiovorax posted:Yeah, that's one of the things that I can't really consider a legitimate criticism of the series. Dresden the character is, like, really sexist. Not misogynist, but sexist in that chauvinistic "women are precious, fragile dolls who must be protected at all costs" kind of way.
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Crimpolioni posted:She never said this, but it's kinda interesting how it's survived as a 'fact' for years and years because people enjoy the idea that she must have done , and keep repeating it
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Xander77 posted:Yeah, no. The author may think that's what he's writing, and if you somehow pay absolutely no attention you may concur, but Dresden REALLY loving hates women. Cardiovorax fucked around with this message at 10:05 on Aug 8, 2018 |
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Cardiovorax posted:Guess I'll have to second Tunicate on that, then: the series has enough real problems without inventing things to complain about.
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magnum opusquote:They stopped kissing and looked at the bed – only to see a rather bemused Sirius Black sitting at the end of it, a hint of a smirk on his face. note: clarissa desdame is harrys new ladycorpse. tonks and black are cousins
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