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If Q is leftist trolling, its the best example of why never to touch the poop.
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I hope it turns out to be a real-life Focault's Pendulum where it was indeed created as a leftist prank but then the authors get entangled in their own creation and start believing in it If it IS a prank then I doubt the creator(s) could have imagined how much the chuds would buy-in, by that metric it's a massive success
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Aug 6, 2018 18:35
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so how did the boomers get pulled in to 4chan posts though? that's what i dont get. reading thedonald?
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Aug 6, 2018 18:58
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Bullfrog posted:so how did the boomers get pulled in to 4chan posts though? that's what i dont get. reading thedonald? I'd imagine very few of them even realize 4/8chan is an actual website you can visit, and not some mysterious "dark web" thing that they have heard about from the news once. The conspiracy doesn't require anyone to actually READ the crumbs themselves to buy into it; with each Q post there are entire communities with their own apostles that are dedicated to interpreting them and telling people what's really going on. All they need it their own special hashtags and suddenly they're very easy to search for and retweet/post/blog! So, in short, your grandma getting really, suddenly intense about satanic pedophile networks is all thanks to social media algorithms introducing them to the idea, and insular word of mouth taking it from there.
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Aug 6, 2018 19:13
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Bullfrog posted:so how did the boomers get pulled in to 4chan posts though? that's what i dont get. reading thedonald? Twitter and/or facebook
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Bullfrog posted:so how did the boomers get pulled in to 4chan posts though? that's what i dont get. reading thedonald? there's a whole ecosystem where chan poo poo ends up on facebook eventually, and crazy boomers loving love posting about politics on facebook all day long
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Aug 6, 2018 19:15
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It really is a huge game of telephone with the Q drops. The actual original text of the Q posts is really unimpressive, but it gets passed around and reinterpreted and most people only hear embellished, half-remembered third-hand versions. The closest contact a lot of Q followers have is those compilation jpgs with red arrows all over the place. It's hard to overstate the importance of the Q "priesthood" in reinterpreting this stuff, making it seem more impressive, and filtering out the crap that goes nowhere even by Q standards.
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Aug 6, 2018 20:36
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McGlockenshire posted:https://twitter.com/TAPAlerts/status/1026225980791246848 I made it about 15 seconds. This is just stupid as Q.
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Aug 6, 2018 21:06
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business hammocks posted:This always happens: look at crop circles. They were demonstrably the work of two guys who documented everything, but they only became more popular once the dudes explained what they’d done. And they were widely believed by ufo nuts to be disinformation. Well of course, before the makers had revealed themselves, a bunch of people had already set to work coming up with times they totally saw a crop circle 30 years beforehand, and other people would use those stories as proof the crop circle dudes couldn't have made them up. Because obviously they didn't go make the (nonexistent) crop circle Jimmy said he saw in 1948!
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Aug 6, 2018 21:11
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Crop circles are also mundane enough that if you saw a fairy ring or a place in a field and animal rolled around 30 years ago that you can totally work that into “that’s what that was” when you hear about crop circle aliens and jazz up a memory as being part of it
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Aug 6, 2018 22:04
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Flip Yr Wig posted:This reminds me of a striking quote from a recent Washington Post Cletus Safari. For context, this old white woman had just said a long screed of unreconstructed white supremacy poo poo about race war, the Civil Rights movement, and Trump as a national savior, then followed it up with this: Thank you for teaching me the term "Cletus Safari". Also, congratulations on WaPo to find a town too small to have a Wal-Mart. But I read that article, looked up the name of the town, did some research, and then read the article. Whenever I read one of those stories about a journey to the center of the country, I always do a few pieces of research: one of them which is to look up who the chief employers in the county are: http://www.crenshawcountyeida.com/facts-and-data/top-industries Pretty much in any country that has these statistics, school districts and health systems will be in the Top 10. But we also have Smart Auto Parts of Alabama, and Dongwon Autoparts Company, which together provide 1000 jobs in the county. Since the county has about 8000 working age residents, these two manufacturers are providing 1/8th of the jobs, and is pretty much probably the base of the county economically and employment wise. Both Dongwon and Smart are Korean companies, with one being a subsidiary of Hyundai, and the other seemingly a strategic partner for Hyundai. The article says: The Washington Post posted:
but the article fails to mention anything about the economy of the town. The churches mattered in the town, but the South Korean auto parts factories that could shut down at any moment because of a decision in a board room across the world also matter a lot, too, I imagine. Like, this might seem like a tangent, but if you take Luverne as an example of what type of place QAnon believers might come from, then an important point to remember is that they are not only familiar with Multinational Corporations and government agencies, they are either employed by them, or most of their friends and family are. So its a weird disconnect to take these things as such a prosaic, commonsensical part of life, but at the same time to believe that these organizations that pay you a monthly paycheck are literally Satanic. (Of course, there is always a lot of abstraction with this: Someone can believe that "Global bankers" are bad, and never connect that to their job at Chase Bank) Okay, I have probably made my point here.
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Aug 6, 2018 22:23
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Crop circles are also mundane enough that if you saw a fairy ring or a place in a field and animal rolled around 30 years ago that you can totally work that into “that’s what that was” when you hear about crop circle aliens and jazz up a memory as being part of it I dunno... we had an interesting one a few years back I’m not saying I believe in UFOs or aliens drawing pictures in our crops. It’s just fascinating and really impressive. It certainly would have to be someone from out of area because our locals attempts at crop circles are really terrible Ok, sorry for the detail, back to pedophiles and pizza joints.
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Aug 6, 2018 23:57
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If Q was all a joke, why were they pro-intervention in Iran? Getting people to contact their congressmen in support of violent regime change seems like the opposite of a prank
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Aug 7, 2018 00:17
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Dr.Caligari posted:
Man, I hate this RPG
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Aug 7, 2018 00:47
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Apathy420 posted:If Q was all a joke, why were they pro-intervention in Iran? Getting people to contact their congressmen in support of violent regime change seems like the opposite of a prank How does "joke" inherently make "being pro bombing iran" less likely? Why would getting people to call their congressman and say something stupid be "the opposite of a prank"? Plus you know, republicans ain't big Iran fans so if you're going to be a fake republican why wouldn't you keep the "gently caress iran" message for verisimilitude.
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Aug 7, 2018 00:55
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Dr.Caligari posted:I dunno... we had an interesting one a few years back I think cool ones like that made by a guy make it easier to think back to the time in 1978 you saw a flat place where a cow came in the field and rolled around then go "my god, I bet if I saw that from above it would have been the face of god".
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Aug 7, 2018 01:06
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fishmech posted:Plus you know, republicans ain't big Iran fans so if you're going to be a fake republican why wouldn't you keep the "gently caress iran" message for verisimilitude. Small actions that feel right
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Aug 7, 2018 02:18
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Illuminti posted:Consider myself very well versed in conspiracy lore. But I have to admit this is the first time I've seen "Islam: Created by the Vatican". Read more Chick tracts! https://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0062/0062_01.asp
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my bony fealty posted:I hope it turns out to be a real-life Focault's Pendulum where it was indeed created as a leftist prank but then the authors get entangled in their own creation and start believing in it I think it was just some random shitposts that just blew up because they hit at the right time Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:It really is a huge game of telephone with the Q drops. The actual original text of the Q posts is really unimpressive, but it gets passed around and reinterpreted and most people only hear embellished, half-remembered third-hand versions. The closest contact a lot of Q followers have is those compilation jpgs with red arrows all over the place. It's hard to overstate the importance of the Q "priesthood" in reinterpreting this stuff, making it seem more impressive, and filtering out the crap that goes nowhere even by Q standards. that and the posts probably arnt the same person. maybe the first few was one individual but the others are probably just randos. Apathy420 posted:If Q was all a joke, why were they pro-intervention in Iran? Getting people to contact their congressmen in support of violent regime change seems like the opposite of a prank was that a later post or an early one. if its an early one, its just shitposter trying to sound like some chud with super high clearance.the later ones, who knows.
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Aug 7, 2018 03:56
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Dr.Caligari posted:I made it about 15 seconds. This is just stupid as Q. yeah, its dumb hackey crap, but i am curious to see if their is any outcome of this.
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Aug 7, 2018 03:57
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fishmech posted:How does "joke" inherently make "being pro bombing iran" less likely? Why would getting people to call their congressman and say something stupid be "the opposite of a prank"? The influx of pro-war voicemails might convince them that taking another swing at the Iranian tar baby is more popular than it seems, which could potentially affect their platform when midterm campaigning season starts. Or worse, when the invasion resolution is being passed around. I’m just not sure that any leftist in their right mind would urge boomers to actively lobby for that instead of sending seal team 6 to pedophile island or something
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Aug 7, 2018 04:17
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Apathy420 posted:The influx of pro-war voicemails might convince them that taking another swing at the Iranian tar baby is more popular than it seems, which could potentially affect their platform when midterm campaigning season starts. Or worse, when the invasion resolution is being passed around. No, Congress is not going to suddenly decide to vote to go to war based on weird internet nerds calling in about it. Like, reminder: America hasn't had congress declare a war since 1941. Is congress going to break that tradition just to please a bunch of random internet people, really?
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The Phlegmatist posted:According to Jack Chick, the Vatican created Islam, Nazism AND Communism! Twelve by Pies posted:Read more Chick tracts! I think the issue here is that I don't live in America, so most of the conspiracy theories I followed didn't have that Christian Evangelical spice that most US theories have. I was more of a David Icke man myself, loved me some (((Reptilians))). I'm embarrassed to have such a blind spot in my conspiracy lore! edit: wow, that Jack Chick thing quite something, and also very poorly written. Illuminti fucked around with this message at 04:52 on Aug 7, 2018 |
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Aug 7, 2018 04:48
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wow, didn’t know there were people alive that didn’t know about jack chick Dude is a legend
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Jack Chick also copied most of poo poo out of long-standing European Protestant weirdness when you dig down into it. Especially all the papal conspiracy stuff some of that goes back right to the second generation of the reformation, when you had clerics raised entirely within Protestant society and with no long term connection to working within catholicism.
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Aug 7, 2018 06:04
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Q, the Luther Blissett book mentioned in that buzzfeed article, is really good, in case anyone was wondering. As for that mad words jumble, I still think that when groups did their encoded “The numbers, Mason! What do the numbers mean?” explainer charts in the form of symbolic art they had much more style. Granted, that style was barking, but it was still style. 
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Sir Tonk posted:wow, didn’t know there were people alive that didn’t know about jack chick I never heard of them until I dated a girl who’s dad basically based his world view off them Seems like a colossal waste of ‘chick . com’
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Aug 7, 2018 12:15
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Sir Tonk posted:wow, didn’t know there were people alive that didn’t know about jack chick Jack Chick is a moon god.
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Aug 7, 2018 13:20
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Jack Chick is the metal fan dude from The F Plus podcast.
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Aug 7, 2018 13:22
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Jack Chick is important because he was and his company is an unintentional clear view into what American evangelicals actually think. Like Jack Chick supports Israel but only because it’s needed for Jesus to come back, in the mean time he has a tract aimed at Jewish people that states they’re going to hell because they aren’t Christian
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https://twitter.com/classiclib3ral/...ingawful.com%2F
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fishmech posted:Jack Chick also copied most of poo poo out of long-standing European Protestant weirdness when you dig down into it. Especially all the papal conspiracy stuff some of that goes back right to the second generation of the reformation, when you had clerics raised entirely within Protestant society and with no long term connection to working within catholicism. While it wouldn't be wrong to find the early root of Chick's anti-Catholicism in early 17th century theopolitics, I'd say a much more direct and and pertinent connection would be the 2nd KKK.
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Aug 7, 2018 14:06
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I love that the right is dealing with the consequences of radicalization of low education paranoid voters that they created, and they are attacking them now. The right now has to strike a line between "be insane, but not too insane!" Eat each other 
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You know, I really believe that this dude and Scott Adams have pretty even odds of one day begging for forgiveness from a person or people who believe in qanon.
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Aug 7, 2018 14:53
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Come on, Dilbert man, you proclaim yourself a great persuader like glorious daddy Trump. Why are you having such an issue with changing the minds of such a dumb group of people?
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Aug 7, 2018 15:10
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Dr. VooDoo posted:Come on, Dilbert man, you proclaim yourself a great persuader like glorious daddy Trump. Why are you having such an issue with changing the minds of such a dumb group of people? Scott Adams' constant "See how good Trump is at n-dimensional chess? Stupid libs." poo poo just feeds into the Q narrative of how Trump is actually this once in a generation genius and leader, and now he wants to act like he's above it all. I wonder if this will make him question his worldvi-hahahahahahahaha
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I'm sure this has come up before, but is there any reference to adrenochrome prior to Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas? I know I've heard of it as a kooky conspiracy when I was a teenager.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:I'm sure this has come up before, but is there any reference to adrenochrome prior to Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas? I know I've heard of it as a kooky conspiracy when I was a teenager. It's the drencrom in milk plus in clockwork orange
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:I'm sure this has come up before, but is there any reference to adrenochrome prior to Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas? I know I've heard of it as a kooky conspiracy when I was a teenager. Wikipedia posted:In Anthony Burgess' 1962 novel A Clockwork Orange, "drencrom" (presumably the Nadsat term for adrenochrome) is listed as one of the potential drugs that can be added to milk-plus (milk laced with a drug of the consumer's choice).
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I hadn't heard anything about Dilbertman in a while and I had no idea he went full on alt-right. I was hoping to see more tweets about Q from him, instead I got tweets where he talks about how Antifa is clearly a terrorist group, liberals are pathetic and weak, and a bunch of retweets from Cernovich.
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