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Andrast posted:I have no idea how developers can't get 2D games to run at 60 these days Weird how game developers never say this
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Hot take I don’t associate 60 FPS with quality and I remember a lot of the worst, cheapest looking games I played as a kid being 60 FPS
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Aug 6, 2018 22:00
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So I finally got around to playing odyssey and god drat do I hate these motion controls. After 3 hours I gave up and went back to the pro controller, looking up how to emulate 'most' of the motion moves with buttons but that some seem to still be missing feels like a huge oversight. Still enjoying the game regardless though.
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Aug 6, 2018 22:01
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Mega Comrade posted:So I finally got around to playing odyssey and god drat do I hate these motion controls. After 3 hours I gave up and went back to the pro controller, looking up how to emulate 'most' of the motion moves with buttons but that some seem to still missing feels like a huge oversight. Still enjoying the game regardless though. There's only 1 moon in the entire game that requires motion controls.
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Aug 6, 2018 22:03
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What motion stuff did Odyssey have that was important again?
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Aug 6, 2018 22:03
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If you shake the controller while doing a move with a captured enemy they do the move slightly "more", so for example of you're a frog and you jump while shaking the controller you'll jump like 10% higher. You can play through the entire game without ever worrying about using motion controls.
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Aug 6, 2018 22:10
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Except that rolling with motion controls is faster than not doing it so the multiplayer stuff becomes impossible without it
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Aug 6, 2018 22:18
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Your Computer posted:e: I recommend this GDC talk if you want some insight into how it's done: This video rules.
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Aug 6, 2018 22:33
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American McGay posted:If you shake the controller while doing a move with a captured enemy they do the move slightly "more", so for example of you're a frog and you jump while shaking the controller you'll jump like 10% higher. You can play through the entire game without ever worrying about using motion controls. isn't the hat spin thing only doable with motion controls also? i can't remember ever really needing it during the game tho
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Aug 6, 2018 22:39
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Generic Monk posted:isn't the hat spin thing only doable with motion controls also? i can't remember ever really needing it during the game tho You can do that by spinning left stick then throwing the hat but it's kind of unreliable.
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Aug 6, 2018 22:42
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Kind of related but 2d has "secretly" been 3d for a long time. https://youtu.be/kN-eCBAOw60
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Aug 6, 2018 22:47
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I am an enormous fan of the turn to cool behind the scenes videos the thread is taking.
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Aug 6, 2018 22:51
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BattleMaster posted:It's faster to feed that poo poo as polygons to a GPU than to do things traditionally by copying pixels around with the CPU Software rendered 2D scrolling platformers wasn't viable until 1990's Commander Keen, and by the end of the 90s was already shifting to using GPUs with orthographic projections.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Hot take I don’t associate 60 FPS with quality and I remember a lot of the worst, cheapest looking games I played as a kid being 60 FPS that's more 'unlocked/variable framerate' than '60fps' tbf. which is a recipe for a juddery embarassing mess doingitwrong posted:I am an enormous fan of the turn to cool behind the scenes videos the thread is taking. digitalfoundry's df retro series is amaze for stuff like that tbf check it out
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TheKingofSprings posted:Hot take I don’t associate 60 FPS with quality and I remember a lot of the worst, cheapest looking games I played as a kid being 60 FPS  ExcessBLarg! posted:the layering done by Hollow Knight exactly mimics how hardware layers were used on 16-bit consoles. 
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Aug 6, 2018 23:08
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I bought a shitload of stuff on the Nintendo Summer Sale. I don't have the income for this!
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Aug 6, 2018 23:12
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Sonic Mania is an neat inversion of 2D games actually rendering in 3D on the GPU, as it features 3D sections that are rendered entirely on the CPU in order to emulate the janky fixed point math that early 3D consoles used  That's probably why the Switch struggled with those sections until they optimized it with the Plus update.
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ExcessBLarg! posted:True, but "copying pixels around" isn't really traditional either. 2D platformers got their start on dedicated graphics hardware that were basically super primitive 2D only GPUs, and the layering done by Hollow Knight exactly mimics how hardware layers were used on 16-bit consoles. You're right; I was thinking from an early PC perspective which never had any of the assistance that contemporary consoles and some home computers like the Amiga series had. But if you wanted to do 2D without figuring out how to represent it as polygons and sending it to the GPU on a modern platform like the Switch, you'd have to do it the slow and computationally-expensive way. And no one does because gently caress that. repiv posted:Sonic Mania is an neat inversion of 2D games actually rendering in 3D on the GPU, as it features 3D sections that are rendered entirely on the CPU in order to emulate the janky fixed point math that early 3D consoles used Okay I guess not "no one" but only if you want a specific crappy on purpose look?
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Aug 6, 2018 23:22
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doingitwrong posted:This video rules. 
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repiv posted:Sonic Mania is an neat inversion of 2D games actually rendering in 3D on the GPU, as it features 3D sections that are rendered entirely on the CPU in order to emulate the janky fixed point math that early 3D consoles used If you bought the original Sonic Mania, is the Plus stuff part of an update or DLC? I loved Sonic Mania and I wouldn't mind playing it again, but not if I have to buy the whole shebang over again. edit: Answered my own question, it's a $5 dlc. There's something to do, I expected to be playing Cross Tag since 9 characters were supposed to be dropped as DLC today, but it looks like ArcSys submitted it too late and now I have to wait for the eshop to update again, probably. THE FUCKING MOON fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Aug 7, 2018 |
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THE loving MOON posted:If you bought the original Sonic Mania, is the Plus stuff part of an update or DLC? I loved Sonic Mania and I wouldn't mind playing it again, but not if I have to buy the whole shebang over again. The performance increase is part of a free patch, the $5 dlc is just for the new characters/modes.
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Moly B. Denum posted:The performance increase is part of a free patch, the $5 dlc is just for the new characters/modes. I figured the performance stuff was in the free patch, I just hadn't looked into the new characters/etc yet.
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Aug 7, 2018 01:45
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Sudden Javelin posted:I bought a shitload of stuff on the Nintendo Summer Sale. I don't have the income for this! What did you get? When I looked all I saw were titles I've never heard of
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Aug 7, 2018 02:22
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I've never preordered on the eshop before, when does Dead Cells unlock? Midnight EST?
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Aug 7, 2018 03:01
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Jim Sterling has a point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jFBJZAT_1U
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ROCK THE HOUSE M.D. posted:I've never preordered on the eshop before, when does Dead Cells unlock? Midnight EST? 
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ROCK THE HOUSE M.D. posted:I've never preordered on the eshop before, when does Dead Cells unlock? Midnight EST? Dev confirmed on Twitter midnight pst. https://twitter.com/motiontwin/status/1026521103261425664?s=20 bushisms.txt fucked around with this message at 03:16 on Aug 7, 2018 |
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Aug 7, 2018 03:13
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bushisms.txt posted:Dev confirmed on Twitter midnight pst. Thanks. 
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Aug 7, 2018 03:14
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That’s bullshit, 1.0 is already out on PC. Cancelling my preorder.
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Aug 7, 2018 03:16
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Hey guys. Hollow Knight, or dead cells?
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Zosologist posted:Hey guys. Hollow Knight, or dead cells?
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Zosologist posted:Hey guys. Hollow Knight, or dead cells? Celeste
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Zosologist posted:Hey guys. Hollow Knight, or dead cells? Hollow Knight is amazing and out now. Can't say the same about Dead Cells
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If I found Hollow Knight really hard, Dead Cells is probably not for my delicate babby sensibilities?
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Dead Cells is bad because it's a poorly designed experience in which you need to die 300 times to hopefully unlock a very specific subset of abilities which might make it easier for you to kill one of the bosses that randomly generated.
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Hollow Knight is legit right behind BotW for best Switch game I have played. It’s truly amazing. Anyone who is on the fence and has ever enjoyed a metroidvania needs to get it ASAP.
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Piquai Souban posted:If I found Hollow Knight really hard, Dead Cells is probably not for my delicate babby sensibilities? Dead Cells is not nearly as hard as Hollow Knight in my opinion. There's a wide variety of playstyles available including just staying back and throwing traps and turrets American McGay posted:Dead Cells is bad because it's a poorly designed experience in which you need to die 300 times to hopefully unlock a very specific subset of abilities which might make it easier for you to kill one of the bosses that randomly generated. it s a roguelike RCarr posted:Hollow Knight is legit right behind BotW for best Switch game I have played. Its truly amazing. Anyone who is on the fence and has ever enjoyed a metroidvania needs to get it ASAP. agreed it's really good. like insanely good
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Yeah, the more I play it, the more I'm appreciating it. Hollow Knight is a really good game.
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Zosologist posted:Hey guys. Hollow Knight, or dead cells? American McGay posted:Picross S 2 Macaluso posted:Celeste Too many drat good games
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lumines n++ the cooking one
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