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Scaramouche posted:I just watched GoTG2 in prep for Infinity War and drat, Dave is like easily in one of the top three best things about that movie (Yondu and Rocket rounding out that list, Pratt not so much oddly enough).
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Aug 6, 2018 23:14
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I miss the pathos he had in the first movie. He's just basically there for jokes in Guardians 2 and Infinity War.
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Aug 6, 2018 23:18
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X-O posted:I miss the pathos he had in the first movie. He's just basically there for jokes in Guardians 2 and Infinity War. He's gettin Flanderized
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BiggerBoat posted:I can't take Jane seriously as an action hero. I always picture him as that doofus guy from Boogie Nights. Also, Bernthal was way better so there's that too. Bernthal was great at playing Angry Marine Man but I very seldom felt I was looking at the Punisher. Part of that is due to the script but most of it is down to his performance. I can't imagine Bernthal's Frank keeping a war journal or making snarky jokes about Spider-man. What I can imagine is him going "HURRRGHGGGHHHRARRRRROOORRRRG"
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Aug 6, 2018 23:59
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That is like eighty percent of Frank's character though.
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Let's face it: the Punisher is a really uncomfortable right-wing wank character a lot of the time. Netflix and Berenthal did a great job of salvaging something interesting and good from Frank.
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Cythereal posted:Let's face it: the Punisher is a really uncomfortable right-wing wank character a lot of the time. Netflix and Berenthal did a great job of salvaging something interesting and good from Frank. That entire episode about the gun control senator is more openly right-wing than 90% of the comics.
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Lurdiak posted:Bernthal was great at playing Angry Marine Man but I very seldom felt I was looking at the Punisher. Part of that is due to the script but most of it is down to his performance. I can't imagine Bernthal's Frank keeping a war journal or making snarky jokes about Spider-man. What I can imagine is him going "HURRRGHGGGHHHRARRRRROOORRRRG" Well, poo poo. Respectfully disagree. He seems like the loving Punisher to me, starting with DD s2 when he has Matt chained up on the rooftop plus that amazing prison fight. Different strokes I suppose but Bernthal loving nailed it in my book.
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BiggerBoat posted:Well, poo poo. Respectfully disagree. He seems like the loving Punisher to me, starting with DD s2 when he has Matt chained up on the rooftop plus that amazing prison fight. Different strokes I suppose but Bernthal loving nailed it in my book. Favorite Punisher is hardly something I'd stake my life on. Bernthal isn't horrible or anything. I think Punisher was very interesting in Daredevil Season 2 but that was mostly the script. He was a lot less compelling in his own series, at least to me. But I know a lot of people really liked that show so w/e.
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The Netflix Punisher isn’t necessarily what the character has been more so that it was what the character should have been. It’s an infinitely better take on the character than anything that’s ever been on the page.
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X-O posted:The Netflix Punisher isn’t necessarily what the character has been more so that it was what the character should have been. It’s an infinitely better take on the character than anything that’s ever been on the page.
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twistedmentat posted:They look like puppies in suits. More female led super hero movies are always a good thing — even if the property had been done before.
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X-O posted:I miss the pathos he had in the first movie. He's just basically there for jokes in Guardians 2 and Infinity War. There isn't time in Infinity War for him to do much more than jokes, but it's still there in Guardians. He has that scene with Mantis on Ego where he talks about his daughter, and Mantis feels his pain. Granted right before that he calls Mantis ugly and Ego's pet...
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I'm okay with Bernthal not being a dark humor style because it sucksLurdiak posted:That entire episode about the gun control senator is more openly right-wing than 90% of the comics. But also this is true
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howe_sam posted:There isn't time in Infinity War for him to do much more than jokes, but it's still there in Guardians. He has that scene with Mantis on Ego where he talks about his daughter, and Mantis feels his pain. Granted right before that he calls Mantis ugly and Ego's pet... In both movies he just seems like more of an outright buffoon than he was in the first Guardians.
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omg chael crash posted:More female led super hero movies are always a good thing — even if the property had been done before. I am all for that, just we have a perfectly good Supergirl TV show. Speaking of that, I'm glad that Jessica Cruz is being added to the Superhero girls show thats coming out. I have a hard time imaging that in Johns EDGY AS gently caress BLOOD AND DEATH Green Lantern movie they'd think of adding her.
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X-O posted:In both movies he just seems like more of an outright buffoon than he was in the first Guardians. That's because you don't get to see all of the things he gets up to when he's invisible.
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X-O posted:In both movies he just seems like more of an outright buffoon than he was in the first Guardians. I would agree that after 1 it seems like they saw that people thought drax was a funny man so they made him "the funny man"
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X-O posted:The Netflix Punisher isn’t necessarily what the character has been more so that it was what the character should have been. It’s an infinitely better take on the character than anything that’s ever been on the page. Co sign. And they didn't have to "pussy him up" or whatever fans of the character seem to care about that detracts from his representation. Frank's violent tendencies and overall world view were explained and demonstrated really well; the way he was CREATED and not born is basically what I mean. I found Netflix take on the character really great and I never gave a poo poo about Punisher one way or the other through my whole comic book reading career. Netflix gave him a dimension and added some layers to him. Otherwise, he's just Rambo or some other 80's action hero to me.
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The gun control episode with the strawman useless senator guy sucked so hard. It reminded me of one of Luke's "Pull up your pants" speeches in the first season of Luke Cage. I'm glad they stopped that.
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I like War Zone because of the comical violence (otherwise it's just going to be a gun action movie with Punisher in it), and the line "YOU KRISPY KREME MOTHERFUCKERS". I've seen exactly one episode of Netflix Punisher and I like it, just don't really have the time to watch more right now. I think a character like the Punisher has a couple different facets in him and both takes are good. Interestingly enough, I stopped by The Firing Range when the Netflix series dropped to see what people there thought about it, and they disliked it, to no surprise. But that's a discussion for the TV thread, I guess.
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Berenthal’s too short,Punisher needs to be Tdkr batman size,Max comics had him rip that chinese midget acrobats leg off like a drumstick(nearly).
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Brazilianpeanutwar posted:Berenthal’s too short,Punisher needs to be Tdkr batman size,Max comics had him rip that chinese midget acrobats leg off like a drumstick(nearly). poo poo like that is why people wanted Danzig to be Wolverine.
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Kyle MacLachlan as Mr C as Wolverine, imo
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X-O posted:The Netflix Punisher isn’t necessarily what the character has been more so that it was what the character should have been. It’s an infinitely better take on the character than anything that’s ever been on the page. There's really not a better way to sum it up. And the hardcore Punisher fans hate it.
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Aphrodite posted:Cops? And other people who adore Frank for killing petty criminals and brown people, and people who hold up Frank as an admirable person. Netflix Frank only kills one street criminal between both his own show and Daredevil, and that was specifically a guy selling child porn. Otherwise, everyone Frank kills was either involved in his family's death or is trying to kill Frank or his friends - Frank even consciously lets a number of petty criminals go. The show also goes to great lengths to stress that Frank is not a wholesome or admirable guy, even if you can sympathize with him and he's undoubtedly the lighter shade of grey. Punisher S1 also has a lot to say about America's military adventures in the Middle East and how we treat veterans back at home, absolutely none of it positive. The super right-wing NRA-hat-wearing MAGA vet dude turns out to be a stolen valor fraud who never saw combat, the young super right-wing dude becomes a domestic terrorist, and the only competent, heroic government officer in the whole show is an Iranian-American woman. If there's a central thesis to Punisher on Netflix, it's that America as a culture and society has a profoundly hosed-up relationship with violence and are all but completely unable to acknowledge, much less grapple with, the damage violence does to communities long after the physical altercation is over.
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Jon Bernthal did such a great job of making Frank both likeable and unlikeable when necessary. When he's cold, cruel, and violent, I'm not sitting there thinking "Oh man, this is so badass!" I'm thinking "Oh man, this is a really hosed up and disturbed dude." Then when he's a bit more open and shooting the poo poo with Micro, or hanging out with that family, or in the flashbacks from the army, I'm thinking "Aww man, he'd be a pretty cool dude if he wasn't a psychopath." That is loving perfect for that character and Bernthal nailed it.
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I've said before that the best thing about Netflix Punisher is that whenever he goes full bullet hell, it always felt like a loss. I felt bad whenever Frank had to be The Punisher. He spends a lot of time trying to avoid being that guy in the show. Heroes (or rather protagonists) should always in some way be forced to violence.
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SonicRulez posted:I've said before that the best thing about Netflix Punisher is that whenever he goes full bullet hell, it always felt like a loss. I felt bad whenever Frank had to be The Punisher. He spends a lot of time trying to avoid being that guy in the show. Heroes (or rather protagonists) should always in some way be forced to violence. Its a small thing and probably easily forgotten by most viewers when in binge mode but its like in episode 5 or 6 where frank scares up micro and says pissed off beats scared every time, and then the final line of the show is frank saying for the first time in my life, im scared, and i think thats a powerful statement given the context of frank
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This is probably real old but I had never seen it before lol https://twitter.com/vaIyrianstark/status/1026491194199687168?s=19
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site posted:This is probably real old but I had never seen it before lol I adore that man.
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Downey on press tours is the best: 'The next time I'm not asked the first question I'm going to loving walk out'
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Lurdiak posted:Bernthal was great at playing Angry Marine Man but I very seldom felt I was looking at the Punisher. Part of that is due to the script but most of it is down to his performance. I can't imagine Bernthal's Frank keeping a war journal or making snarky jokes about Spider-man. What I can imagine is him going "HURRRGHGGGHHHRARRRRROOORRRRG" He is pretty great at that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdrXdFY0nMo
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The punisher tv show was good and I like that they gave some nuance to the character BUT it's also a PUNISHER show and he needed to do a lot more PUNISHING. Maybe less to petty street criminals but definitely more to crime bosses and organized crime poo poo and evil secret government hit squads. It didn't deliver well on the action-y parts I think. Most of the shootouts and fights are forgettable. His best scenes are still in the Daredevil TV show
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I'd only seen Jon Bernthal in Walking Dead and Punisher, and now I'm watching a clip of him from Jimmy Kimmel and I'm freaked out. I would never have even thought that he was doing a voice (Shane and Frank sound exactly alike to me, right down to the accent).
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X-O posted:I miss the pathos he had in the first movie. He's just basically there for jokes in Guardians 2 and Infinity War. He has about the same amount in 2 with the mourning dead kids/surrogate daughter in Mantis thing that he had in one. It's just that he wasn't directly tied to villain in two, so there was less of it in the climax.
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I loved this how the MAGA guy radicalizes the really damaged Vet and then just abandons him the the first time the Vet is hasseled by the cops. And Amber Rose Revah is gorgeous 
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After Homecoming I paused at the end of the credits to see who they thanked and I think they covered their bases pretty well. Every creator of every character in the movie is listed. Bendis, Sara Pichelli: Ultimate Spider-Man Miles Morales (Ganke AKA Ned and Donglover's character Aaron Davis) John Romita: Every 616 Spider-Man character who wasn't created by Lee & Ditko (which I think in this movie is just Shocker but one could make the case for MJ) Don Lee, Larry Lieber, Jack Kirby: Iron Man co-creators and this covers Happy and Pepper
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