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Yeah it's weird that Elidibus hasn't done anything straight-up evil so far (I haven't checked the Warring Triad stuff), but I can't say he's a good guy either if he hangs out with the outright evil Ascians even if it's just to mainly oversee things. I guess given the balance theme, we'll never run out of things to fight, which is a good thing from a gameplay perspective... I guess?
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Argas posted:The Ascians just want to revive Zodiark or whatever but Elidibus wants there to be a world for him to wake up in while the other Ascians just feel like the end of the world is a problem for the Warrior of Light to deal with. Yeah, Elidibus is still an antagonist, but he's one of those antagonists who understands that the road trying to go through Superman is dumb and if it's really important he'll let his Chaotic Stupid teammates go that course while he'll wait for his all-powerful God of Darkness to come and be the one to handle the Godslayer when the time comes. ... I mean, he might not have thought this as through as he thinks he has, but at least he's trying, Lahabrea.
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Aug 7, 2018 09:13
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Mr. Locke posted:... I mean, he might not have thought this as through as he thinks he has, but at least he's trying, Lahabrea. Lahabrea posted:It is time for the Bringer of Light to die. Also Lahabrea posted:Aw gently caress, did I sit on my rear end the whole expansion and not actually do anything again?
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Aug 7, 2018 09:28
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https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/news/detail/75215c7b7cf325ca1cbe89b6f692f36973bc42a6 Maintenance ending early. Edit: Aaaand servers up. Hogama fucked around with this message at 10:00 on Aug 7, 2018 |
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Aug 7, 2018 09:51
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Aug 7, 2018 10:47
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Is that just posted for DPS in need? Because you only have four roulettes unlocked at level 63?
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Aug 7, 2018 11:09
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They. Are. Literally. loving. Rathalos. Panties.
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Aug 7, 2018 11:23
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Does anyone else get a really bad feeling about Pagos when the first thing you hear is 'Do more grinding' and soloing an equal level mob is nigh-impossible?
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Aug 7, 2018 11:46
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SwissArmyDruid posted:They. Are. Literally. loving. Rathalos. Panties. That you need 8 scales for! Where do they go?! Hunter Noventa posted:DOes anyone else get a really bad feeling about Pagos when the first thing you hear is 'Do more grinding' and soloing an equal level mob is nigh-impossible? isn't that basically what anemos was on release?
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Aug 7, 2018 11:47
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pupuru posted:isn't that basically what anemos was on release? Yes. I thought they said it would be different.
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Aug 7, 2018 12:12
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Hunter Noventa posted:Yes. I thought they said it would be different. Joke's on you if you ever believed that.
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Aug 7, 2018 12:15
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I'm level 57 and I'm still in ARR oh my god how please someone
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Hunter Noventa posted:Yes. I thought they said it would be different. it's got snow now
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Sion posted:I'm level 57 and I'm still in ARR oh my god how please someone Doing a lot of dungeons?
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Aug 7, 2018 13:11
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Hunter Noventa posted:Does anyone else get a really bad feeling about Pagos when the first thing you hear is 'Do more grinding' and soloing an equal level mob is nigh-impossible? I forgot how bad Anemos was when I first went in. This just brought it all rushing back.  At least I can laugh at people getting destroyed by random enemies. That's always fun.
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Aug 7, 2018 13:30
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Good grief, peeking into the Wow lore thread has made me glad I jumped to this. Everyone is so much more laid back about the story, its kind of depressing.
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Safeword posted:Good grief, peeking into the Wow lore thread has made me glad I jumped to this. Everyone is so much more laid back about the story, its kind of depressing. To be fair, it's because we've had thirteen-plus prior core Final Fantasy games to understand that Final Fantasy stories are stupid. Warcraft had, what, three and two expansions? And one of them was even GOOD plot-wise. (Alternatively, if Y'shtola went and set fire to Gridania, it's not like most of the playerbase wouldn't start cheering for freeing those folks from constant crippling fear of death by elemental. She'd be the hero the Scions need.)
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Safeword posted:Good grief, peeking into the Wow lore thread has made me glad I jumped to this. Everyone is so much more laid back about the story, its kind of depressing. I'd say that's in large part due to FFXIV having had genuinely good writing for most of its post-relaunch run. 2.0 was a lot of hit-and-miss stuff (mostly miss, especially early on), but everything from Heavensward onwards has been great. They've also been pretty smart about keeping the main cast likeable and out of moral quagmires, whereas Warcraft from WC3 onwards has largely been about main characters cartwheeling down the slippery slope.
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Aug 7, 2018 14:50
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I really enjoy that overall, the story is about you and you are the one making things happen. In most other mmos you are just a strong dude who collects bear asses so that npcs can interact with the story
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Vermain posted:I'd say that's in large part due to FFXIV having had genuinely good writing for most of its post-relaunch run. 2.0 was a lot of hit-and-miss stuff (mostly miss, especially early on), but everything from Heavensward onwards has been great. They've also been pretty smart about keeping the main cast likeable and out of moral quagmires, whereas Warcraft from WC3 onwards has largely been about main characters cartwheeling down the slippery slope. I feel like even when ARR is at its worst, it's still building up the world and concepts that will escalate or be subverted later.
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Aug 7, 2018 14:58
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new ff14 items means new loot locked behind canals which means LET'S DO SOME MAPS!!!~~~~~~~ I'll be around all night and I'll be fishing to get a group going starting from 5pm EDT onwards.
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Yeah, it's nice that I feel as if I'm improving things and working towards a noble goal. My blood elf by comparison has been asked to murder and gas an increasingly large amount of non-combatants, with no input from me, that it just makes the whole situation dreary - rather than "morally grey". Heck knows I can't remember anyone's name here (fairly sure those big guys are named via sneezing...), but I remember my interactions with them.
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CYBEReris posted:I feel like even when ARR is at its worst, it's still building up the world and concepts that will escalate or be subverted later. Even the worst ARR stuff isn't terrible, it's just not especially inspired, something that's amplified by how many dull filler quests the first half of 2.X has. I think if you got rid of more of the cruft, it's a perfectly fine classic Final Fantasy story, which is what they were aiming for. Safeword posted:Yeah, it's nice that I feel as if I'm improving things and working towards a noble goal. My blood elf by comparison has been asked to murder and gas an increasingly large amount of non-combatants, with no input from me, that it just makes the whole situation dreary - rather than "morally grey". FFXIV's story is, truthfully, a breath of fresh air in a media landscape increasingly dominated by a dreary modern cynicism masquerading as moralistic inquiry. Vermain fucked around with this message at 15:05 on Aug 7, 2018 |
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Hogama posted:Looking into some rumors for 5.0, I saw that the source is just a random poster... who correctly called out a bunch of stuff. Is there like, any record of these past posts or is it all hearsay and legend? 'Cause as much as I want to believe there's some serious pie in the sky stuff mentioned here. Also a friend of mine is very, very upset about Rathalos and I'm sitting here giggling like a schoolgirl over it. The monster hunter experience!
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Rathalos EX is exactly as painful as the details made it sound. 
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Rathalos EX is exactly as painful as the details made it sound. I'm wondering if they made his normal moves any slower due to no dodge roll. I know there's no tells for most of them, what else is crazy?
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FFXIV has the benefit of authors who, when they self-insert, do so subtly or briefly with minimal impact to world events. They also poke fun at themselves. WoW has And Justice for Thrall. It's not universal (and with one less now that Metzen retired) but there are a few folks at Blizzard who try too hard to live the adolescent geek dream.
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Yeah, FFXIV has some "grimdark everything grey" stuff (Heavensward especially) but then injects an honest to goodness set of Good Guys Who Are Empathetic And Kind And Just Fighting For Those That Can't and never really goes into cynicism or subverts that you are a hero. A Warrior of Light. And even when you do bad things, its pitched as "you made a mistake and now you gotta fix it and be better". Its genuine and heartfelt, and so refreshingly... Final Fantasy.
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Rathalos regular was everything I was hoping it would be. Only disappointment was not using the actual tail cutting animation. Now to get my poo poo pushed directly in by Rath EX.
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Tashilicious posted:Yeah, FFXIV has some "grimdark everything grey" stuff (Heavensward especially) but then injects an honest to goodness set of Good Guys Who Are Empathetic And Kind And Just Fighting For Those That Can't and never really goes into cynicism or subverts that you are a hero. A Warrior of Light. And even when you do bad things, its pitched as "you made a mistake and now you gotta fix it and be better". Its genuine and heartfelt, and so refreshingly... Final Fantasy.
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the people who run kingdom of loathing/west of loathing have talked about a key aspect of their design philosophy that puts emphasis on using text as a reward and an opportunity to tell a joke, and the reward for doing something in the game is more text, which is yet another opportunity to tell a joke. the writing quality and depth isn't like "woah man this is deeeeeeeep", it's pretty sophomoric and since it's a final fantasy, we have to go save the crystals! however, there are always opportunities to be entertaining and tell jokes, and they usually go for it most of the time. an example that comes to mind is "piss off, kupo"; it was absolutely free, it had absolutely no bearing on the story, and it absolutely isn't high art or deep... but it's a joke that everyone remembers.
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Rainuwastaken posted:Is there like, any record of these past posts or is it all hearsay and legend? 'Cause as much as I want to believe there's some serious pie in the sky stuff mentioned here.  It's not enough, perhaps, to take everything at face value, but I figure it's at least enough to pay attention to.
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https://twitter.com/Kirbysuperstar/status/1026766672462409728
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10/10 Crossover of the Year.
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Algid posted:Elidibus is all about following narrative causality and avoiding fatal mistakes like long monologues, body-jacking protagonists, killing off friends of the WoL, or attempting to actually fight head-on and then compounding that with boasts of invincibility or fusion/transformation powerups. Elidibus sounds like Black Knight from A Practical Guide to Evil.
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Mr. Locke posted:To be fair, it's because we've had thirteen-plus prior core Final Fantasy games to understand that Final Fantasy stories are stupid. Warcraft had, what, three and two expansions? And one of them was even GOOD plot-wise. Everyone's got their opinion, but I'd say it's that drat contrived "Horde and Alliance must be enemies" thing. "We finally, collectively, defeated the Lich King, an enemy so powerful his very existence threatened the lives of every sentient being on Azeroth (that we knew of so far, wink wink nudge nudge). TIME TO GO BACK TO MURDERING EACHOTHER OVER PETTY poo poo. ....hmm. They're not buying it. TIME TO WRITE SOME COMPLETELY UNFOUNDED REASON TO INCITE CONFLICT." SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Aug 7, 2018 |
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isk posted:WoW has And Justice for Thrall. It's not universal (and with one less now that Metzen retired) but there are a few folks at Blizzard who try too hard to live the adolescent geek dream. also one of the current story writers both self inserts as nathanos blightcaller and has a massive boner for sylvanas if you're wondering why she's getting so cuddly with him
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They uncapped Kefkascape Vocaloids but not mendacity. How am I going to put weapon on a bunch of jobs I will literally never play squeenix?
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Saint Freak posted:They uncapped Kefkascape Vocaloids but not mendacity. How am I going to put weapon on a bunch of jobs I will literally never play squeenix? 4.4 will be out in probably not too long, they'll uncap Mendacity then.
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