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punchymcpunch
Oct 14, 2012



i imagine stryfe is gonna be the most powerful character in the game, just like jean was when she came out, and that will drive sales

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punchymcpunch
Oct 14, 2012



STAC Goat posted:

I guess they figure Psylocke, Deadpool, and the rest will be the draw and then you'll just get Stryfe because you have them anyway and you're capped out on mutant materials.

no you just pay for psylocke and stryfe, deadpool is confirmed 100% free and i think the others are too

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

5 more tries on scarlet witch and still total failure lol

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
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punchymcpunch posted:

no you just pay for psylocke and stryfe, deadpool is confirmed 100% free and i think the others are too

Its not like Jean where you need Magneto, Wolverine, and the rest at T2 to unlock her? So Deadpool is the Wolverine, Psylocke is the Magneto, and Domino/Fantomex/Whoever are the Storm/Cyclops/Rogue.

fart simpson posted:

5 more tries on scarlet witch and still total failure lol

Couldn't you have done 100% time like half a dozen times by now?

I tried it a few times when you suggested it, failed, and said "no, this seems like a bad play."

STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 04:29 on Aug 7, 2018

punchymcpunch
Oct 14, 2012



oh yeh you do need all the others. theyre all free tho so everyone is gonna get em anyway.




i think im gonna stop gambling on potential as well, its fuckin brutal

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

STAC Goat posted:

Its not like Jean where you need Magneto, Wolverine, and the rest at T2 to unlock her? So Deadpool is the Wolverine, Psylocke is the Magneto, and Domino/Fantomex/Whoever are the Storm/Cyclops/Rogue.


Couldn't you have done 100% time like half a dozen times by now?

I tried it a few times when you suggested it, failed, and said "no, this seems like a bad play."

If you math it out (and assume netmarble isn't lying on the percentages) then it's way, way better in the long run to do 10%

punchymcpunch
Oct 14, 2012



yeah i think theyre either lying or its bugged, ive only ever heard people say theyre running bad, never running good

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

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I just did like 5 10.95% rolls, failed each time and decided "well that's like 50% so gently caress this." Maybe I'm doing the math wrong?

Probability doesn't actually work like "10% means I'll get it 1 out of 10 times." I'm sure some people get lucky and succeed 10 times in a row but it seems statistically more likely to just fail over and over again, no? You shouldn't improve your odds rolling more times. It just stays at 10% each roll.

I got a D in Statistics but I watch a lot of baseball.

punchymcpunch
Oct 14, 2012



if you do 10% ten times you have a 50% chance to get it in theory

since you get to start at half of your previous roll it wouldnt surprise me if a 10% chance was actually 5% tho cos if it wasnt, it would be like twice as effective as rolling at 100%, and it clearly isnt

punchymcpunch
Oct 14, 2012



punchymcpunch posted:

if you do 10% ten times you have a 50% chance to get it in theory



by which i mean you have a 50% chance to get it at or below 10 rolls on that one specific occasion

in the long run youd expect to average pretty close to ten rolls, either slightly over or slightly under

Stunt Rock
Jul 28, 2002

DEATH WISH AT 120 DECIBELS
I’ve had a lot of good luck doing 10%. I did 24->25 on one 10% roll on my Cap slot 1.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
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punchymcpunch posted:

if you do 10% ten times you have a 50% chance to get it in theory

I don't really understand that, but like I said I got a D in statistics so I'll defer to you.

But doesn't 10% ten times still add up to like 55-60% of the cost for a 50% chance? It doesn't seem worth it?

I guess I'm not really a gambler. I only play roulette so I can spread my odds across the board.

Poops Mcgoots
Jul 12, 2010

According to this reddit post you'd need to fail 10 times at 10% to lose out on gold and 18 times to lose out on mats relative to going all the way to 100%.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

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Like I said, I guess I'm just not a gambler. The second I rolled that 10th fail I'd be scolding myself for being an idiot. And with each one I'd be debating sunken cost fallacy stuff as I already am with the handful of rolls I did telling me "you might as well do it a few more times and see what happens."

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to
I always do the rolls at 100%, i'd rather use the mats on a sure thing than a risk thing.

Dammit, I only have 3k crystals, I'm going to have to save up to upgrade the epic quest to the premium to get Psylock.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
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I only have like 2K so its going to be awhile for me. And I really wanted to grab the Thor costume and will probably want the Cable one. But ah well.

I might just grab Thor (if he's on sale) and Cable (assuming reviews are good) and worry about Psylocke later.

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

STAC Goat posted:

I don't really understand that, but like I said I got a D in statistics so I'll defer to you.

But doesn't 10% ten times still add up to like 55-60% of the cost for a 50% chance? It doesn't seem worth it?

I guess I'm not really a gambler. I only play roulette so I can spread my odds across the board.

I’m pretty sure in the long run it should take 7 attempts on average, but I’m now at 95 consecutive fails. Trust the maths

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

STAC Goat posted:

Like I said, I guess I'm just not a gambler. The second I rolled that 10th fail I'd be scolding myself for being an idiot. And with each one I'd be debating sunken cost fallacy stuff as I already am with the handful of rolls I did telling me "you might as well do it a few more times and see what happens."

It’s not sunken cost fallacy to continue doing something you were gonna do anyway with a higher expected value than doing it a different way

punchymcpunch
Oct 14, 2012



STAC Goat posted:

I don't really understand that, but like I said I got a D in statistics so I'll defer to you.

But doesn't 10% ten times still add up to like 55-60% of the cost for a 50% chance? It doesn't seem worth it?

I guess I'm not really a gambler. I only play roulette so I can spread my odds across the board.

nah its a ~50% chance to get it in 10 attempts or under. on average it will take 10 attempts. imagine you had to play roulette and you couldnt stop until the wheel came up black. sometimes its black the first time it spins and you only need to spin it once. sometimes it might spin red 20 times in a row. on average itll take you 2 spins tho (ignoring 0 and 00)

The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...

fart simpson posted:

I’m pretty sure in the long run it should take 7 attempts on average, but I’m now at 95 consecutive fails. Trust the maths

This right here.

Like you can tell me all the live long day about how the Math bears out the idea that it's more efficient to invest a smaller amount of materials/gold for a chance to level up a character. And I'm sure people have done the maths and worked this all out.

But your tale of having failed around 90+ times has convinced me my strategy of only investing the 100% ammount of material was the right call.
Like I know what it's like to pull that slot and hope for RNG to go my way. I've done it before.
And in the end I will take the longer grind for the sure thing.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to
I'll probably get the Cable outfit, hopefully it will make him more survivable because I still find him a glass cannon

I still hate WBU. Its so tedious and there's so much fiddly things you need to do, and with the janky controls of this game its like playing Dark Souls with a broken controller. Like a mash buttons to get someone to do an ability that gives them i frames to avoid an attack, and they just sit there, getting hit, which is normally death. Or the movement control just fails to register and they get hit with the obvious attack.

I usually give up after getting 2 wins if the 3rd fails because of something stupid.

Dravs
Mar 8, 2011

You've done well, kiddo.
Personally, I have no interest in WBU. Like you said, it is pretty tedious. I have no interest in getting T3 characters at the moment, and I feel that is fine. NM have done pretty well (so far) at not making T3 necessary to do anything. They essentially just let you do higher WBU levels easier.

The Dave
Sep 9, 2003

I was really into WBU when it first started, because it seemed like a new fun challenge. It really wore on me though especially because the gameplay isn't actually that fun. If it could be more then spam spam spam and hope to dodge something that is kills me in one hit then maybe.

punchymcpunch
Oct 14, 2012



the secret is to do wbu level at a level that you just annihliate

thechalkoutline
Jul 8, 2006



drat, the whole lot of you should never ever set foot inside a casino lmao.

FWIW I do 10% on all my characters and I've never, ever had any issues? I mean I get a cold streak here and there but it isn't any worse than any natural cold streak in gambling. I have like, 10-15 guys fully enhanced?

punchymcpunch
Oct 14, 2012



nice hot streak

punchymcpunch
Oct 14, 2012



i think i have 5

thechalkoutline
Jul 8, 2006



punchymcpunch posted:

nice hot streak

Never give up, never surrender, keep punching 10%

Poops Mcgoots
Jul 12, 2010

thechalkoutline posted:

Never give up, never surrender, keep punching 10%

The Dave
Sep 9, 2003

I think the most failures I've gotten in a row were 5 or 6. I'm going to say gently caress it to the math and still always go in ~20%-33% because it's treated me very well so far.

MonkeyBot
Mar 11, 2005

OMG ITZ MONKEYBOT

The Dave posted:

I think the most failures I've gotten in a row were 5 or 6. I'm going to say gently caress it to the math and still always go in ~20%-33% because it's treated me very well so far.

I just did a bunch of guys and a couple took 15-17 tries before they went through. Then like 4 of them took between 1-4 tries. It all evened out to a cost savings.

The Dave
Sep 9, 2003

Yeah and I only use the BAM to drive the percentage up and I get a shitload of it every day so I don't really care.

I'm haven't touched the game today I'm waiting for the update to go live tonight so I don't hit any epic quest walls in that window the update is live and the cycle hasn't reset yet.

The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...

Marvel Future Fight: You should never ever set foot inside a casino.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

punchymcpunch posted:

the secret is to do wbu level at a level that you just annihliate

I have trouble with 1, even with op characters like wolverine or Scarlet Waifu.

Cinara
Jul 15, 2007

twistedmentat posted:

I have trouble with 1, even with op characters like wolverine or Scarlet Waifu.

Guessing you're working with pretty bad cards or obelisks or something then, level 1 WBU should get nigh instantly destroyed with the meta characters. The only exception is using a character that is weak to the specific boss with the special reductions they have. But Scarlet should bend Dwarf over her knee easily at WBU 1, especially with her costume.

The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...

The other big factor is the number of Tier 2 characters you have and the amount of Valour you have. (Which goes up as your raid level goes up.)

When I started Proximas Midnight, her level 1 fights were tough affairs.
Now my big characters annihilate her. How much Valour do you have? (You can find out by clicking the magnifying glass near Raid Level.)

bagrada
Aug 4, 2007

The Demogorgon is tired of your silly human bickering!

From the update details ABX is changing to a two week rotation. The current 7 followed by: Female Villain, Speed Female Hero, Combat Female, Speed Villain, Blast Villain, no restrictions, and Universal Female Hero.

So that's Hela, Supernova, Proxima, Enchantress, or Ghost w/ uni? X-23 or Domino for speed. My best combat would be Valkyrie though I don't have Sif, Nebula, Ms Marvel or America at T2 yet. Vulture or Ghost for speed villain. Stryfe the biggy for blast villain, otherwise Magneto, Yellowjacket or Klauuueuee. Finally Quasar, Satana w/ uni or I guess Clea. Captain Marvel can stay alive but doesn't have much damage. Medusa?

edit: reddit reminds me Captain America has a female costume. He'll be out his modern uniform bonus but still be 70 and T3.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

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Black Widow with her Infinity War costume is a good speed female option. Satana with her costume was already my Universal option before I T3ed Thor so she's good for Universal female.

Female Villain and Combat Female is going to trip me up. Proxima I guess for the former and its a reason to buy her costume and work her up to 70. And maybe the Cap uniform for Combat? I don't know about that one. An excuse to work up Valkyrie I guess.

The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...

Here's something I have always wondered. What is the point of Alliance Battle and ABX?
Like AB is often a daily requirement or needed for quests. And you get 25 bios for doing it which is handy for ranking up Tier 2's.

Then you do ABX which near as I can tell gets you a six star ISO if you score 1 million. Who h is nice for Awakening Iso's, I guess.
Also it's some benchmark for how much damage a character can do, like those target dummies in WoW. So the E-peen rating.

What else is the point of ABX?

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b0ng
Jan 16, 2004

Thats a nice Game 7 you have there. Would be a shame if somebody nailed it down.

The Question IRL posted:

Here's something I have always wondered. What is the point of Alliance Battle and ABX?
Like AB is often a daily requirement or needed for quests. And you get 25 bios for doing it which is handy for ranking up Tier 2's.

Then you do ABX which near as I can tell gets you a six star ISO if you score 1 million. Who h is nice for Awakening Iso's, I guess.
Also it's some benchmark for how much damage a character can do, like those target dummies in WoW. So the E-peen rating.

What else is the point of ABX?

It’s actually 100k in abx where you get max rewards and you need 6* isos if you like awakening your stuff. There’s also a decent chunk of gold which always helps.

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