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LITERALLY A BIRD posted:Perhaps I'm mistaken here, but is this not exactly what this thread has been telling you, as well? I guess in slightly more words, yes. Additionally, a previous poster said that labradors were "better," and that raised questions for me since standard poodles also happen to get their prey drive from being retrievers. FactsAreUseless said that dogs and rabbits aren't "irreconcilable" but that I'm basically too much of a dumbfuck to train them properly (gee, thanks). The standard consensus of "no" here hasn't gone unnoticed. It's just been hard to heed with all the accompanying vitriol. And I guess this isn't the thread for specific dog breed info or for dog training, were I to keep the dog and the rabbits. Anyway, if the rabbit breed info helps in any way, the rabbits are lionheads. I don't know if that edifies things at all
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Yossarian-22 posted:Like, hey, more info on mini-poodles. Or more info on different case studies of buns and dogs living together that are relatively not so prey-driven. Or more info on anything pertinent, really. I'm trying here. Otherwise I would have left this thread at the first sign of trouble Poodles are hunting dogs. Every dog is prey-driven to some extent, and rabbits are prey species with their own set of instincts. Yes, rabbits and dogs sometimes can be kept together peacefully, but that is rare and even the most seemingly peaceful relationship can end with a dead rabbit in a single second of the dog changing its peanut brain. You should not count on that, and if you care about your rabbits you should not be willingly bringing in dogs. You already brought in a loving terrier, one of the most infamously aggressive dog breeds.
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I'll try one last time: The rabbits don't give two shits whether the dog is trained or not and them living at maximum stress level day and night is your best case scenario here. I understand you want to damage control the situation with your gf by training the dog but no amount of wishful thinking is going to revive those buns the day the Poodle is bored and decides it wants to play with them.
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Cythereal posted:Poodles are hunting dogs. Every dog is prey-driven to some extent, and rabbits are prey species with their own set of instincts. Thanks for toning it down a little, and yeah, bringing in a loving terrier was admittedly pretty loving stupid on our parts regardless of the timeframe
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Yossarian-22 posted:The standard consensus of "no" here hasn't gone unnoticed. It's just been hard to heed with all the accompanying vitriol. The posters in this thread are trying to ensure your girlfriend's rabbits stay alive, happy, and healthy. I do not understand why you wish to ignore or deride their advice, which, again, seems to coincide with the other thread's advice, out of spite.
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Yossarian-22 posted:Thanks for toning it down a little, and yeah, bringing in a loving terrier was admittedly pretty loving stupid on our parts regardless of the timeframe
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I'll try one last time: The rabbits don't give two shits whether the dog is trained or not and them living at maximum stress level day and night is your best case scenario here. So far, the (normally pretty tame) dog has whined a bit near the enclosure and pawed it slightly. The buns were eager to approach the dog and sniff her. No thumping or other visible signs of fear yet, but is this delusional? What are some common signs of fear in buns? I understand you want to damage control the situation with your gf by training the dog but no amount of wishful thinking is going to revive those buns the day the Poodle is bored and decides it wants to play with them. This is why we've kept the dogs and buns as far apart as possible in separate rooms with doors closed aside from some treat-heavy positive reinforcement/clicker training sessions. It's hard for me to accurately assess how it's gone, but if things don't improve then we'll definitely rehome one or the other. I figure it's at least worth trying to socialize the dog while it's still 1-year old, although the dog thread made me nervous as it said socialization stops around 8 months Yossarian-22 fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Aug 7, 2018 |
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LITERALLY A BIRD posted:The posters in this thread are trying to ensure your girlfriend's rabbits stay alive, happy, and healthy. I do not understand why you wish to ignore or deride their advice, which, again, seems to coincide with the other thread's advice, out of spite. No, I'm trying my best to heed everyone's advice and not log off despite everything being hurled at me. But it's hard when the warnings against cohabitation have come part and parcel with personal attacks, and despite having seen conflicting information within this very thread, none of which warned me against getting non-terrier breeds of dogs before I ultimately did. Again the single, solitary post in this thread addressing other breeds before I adopted my poodle said the following: "This is a really bad idea, for all animals involved. If your house/garden is big enough rather look at a bigger cuddly dog like a Labrador that doesn't have several hundred years of rabbit-killing bred into it. This has the added bonus of you owning a cool and awesome dog rather than a stupid yappy one." I saw that post and figured, "Well, I guess some non-terrier breeds are fine then" because I saw nothing in here or on the internet stating otherwise prior to actually getting the poodle. As far as I could tell, nobody was warning me against getting other breeds. So when I did actually get another breed and various posters blew up at me for my impulsiveness, well, that kind of felt really lovely. The consensus against cohabitation has been within this thread that literally has the title containing the words "bunny fanatics." Everything else I've seen around the internet has essentially said to proceed with caution, in effect that yes, all dogs have prey drives, but some more than others and some to a manageable degree. I'm managing a difficult situation and I'm trying to consider all of the facts here. I wish people put a little bit more stock in that
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Yossarian-22 posted:No, I'm trying my best to heed everyone's advice and not log off despite everything being hurled at me. But it's hard when the warnings against cohabitation have come part and parcel with personal attacks, and despite having seen conflicting information within this very thread, none of which warned me against getting non-terrier breeds of dogs before I ultimately did. Again the single, solitary post in this thread addressing other breeds before I adopted my poodle said the following: "This is a really bad idea, for all animals involved. If your house/garden is big enough rather look at a bigger cuddly dog like a Labrador that doesn't have several hundred years of rabbit-killing bred into it. This has the added bonus of you owning a cool and awesome dog rather than a stupid yappy one."
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This "difficult situation" is entirely of your own doing. Nobody is forcing you and your girlfriend to get a dog. You have already received thread consensus on this proposal. I am not sure what else you want here.
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Yossarian-22 posted:No, I'm trying my best to heed everyone's advice and not log off despite everything being hurled at me. But it's hard when the warnings against cohabitation have come part and parcel with personal attacks, and despite having seen conflicting information within this very thread, none of which warned me against getting non-terrier breeds of dogs before I ultimately did. Again the single, solitary post in this thread addressing other breeds before I adopted my poodle said the following: "This is a really bad idea, for all animals involved. If your house/garden is big enough rather look at a bigger cuddly dog like a Labrador that doesn't have several hundred years of rabbit-killing bred into it. This has the added bonus of you owning a cool and awesome dog rather than a stupid yappy one." You've gotten facts, and you've basically said "welp, whatever, PUPPY". The people offering advice in this thread are essentially bunny professionals and the people in the puppy thread are the same for dogs. If the consensus is the same in both places, and you're still forging ahead, perhaps it is the wrong thing to do.
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Here's what I want: - Signs that the bunnies aren't having a good time when introduced to the dog, so that I can convince my girlfriend to rehome them or the mini-poodle - Signs that the mini-poodle is good/bad around the bunnies, so that I can train her (if possible, and most of you clearly don't think so) or rehome it or the poodle - Ideas of training regimes for dogs to cope with small animals - Evidence that mini-poodles have "high prey drives," which I haven't seen evidence of so far tia
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gamingCaffeinator posted:You've gotten facts, and you've basically said "welp, whatever, PUPPY". The people offering advice in this thread are essentially bunny professionals and the people in the puppy thread are the same for dogs. If the consensus is the same in both places, and you're still forging ahead, perhaps it is the wrong thing to do. I only got one response in the other thread to my poodle/bun dilemma.
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Yossarian-22 posted:Here's what I want: - My entire loving rear end in your mouth. gently caress off.
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If you want my buns to live happily ever after then maybe try not to drive me away, internet badass man
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Yossarian-22 posted:- Signs that the bunnies aren't having a good time when introduced to the dog, so that I can convince my girlfriend to rehome them or the mini-poodle They are in a house with a dog. They are not having a good time. quote:- Signs that the mini-poodle is good/bad around the bunnies, so that I can train her (if possible, and most of you clearly don't think so) or rehome it or the poodle It's a dog. Whether it seems to be okay around the buns is irrelevant, it's terrifying the buns by its existence and all it takes is one second of the dog not being okay to kill them. quote:- Ideas of training regimes for dogs to cope with small animals It's a dog. Whether it seems to be okay around the buns is irrelevant, it's terrifying the buns by its existence and all it takes is one second of the dog not being okay to kill them. quote:- Evidence that mini-poodles have "high prey drives," which I haven't seen evidence of so far It's a dog. You are not going to get anyone in this thread or the puppy thread telling you what you want. Bringing a dog into a home with rabbits is going to freak the rabbits the gently caress out, period. The dog may or may not kill them, it's impossible to tell and it can change its mind on a split second. Cythereal fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Aug 7, 2018 |
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Yossarian-22 posted:I only got one response in the other thread to my poodle/bun dilemma. And was it the same response as this thread? Then you're the problem. Here, I found this with literally 2 seconds of Google:https://rabbit.org/journal/1/dogs.html It basically says "maybe, but are you prepared to never allow them alone together even for a second?" gamingCaffeinator fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Aug 7, 2018 |
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Yossarian-22 posted:If you want my buns to live happily ever after then maybe try not to drive me away, internet badass man
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gamingCaffeinator posted:And was it the same response as this thread? Then you're the problem. Here's what the other thread had to say: Phuzun posted:The rabbits will die of heart attacks from the constant presence of a predator. That's if the enclosure keeps the dog out. MockingQuantum posted:This. Out of curiosity I asked my veterinarian mother-in-law and she said that they'd likely die from stress with enough exposure to the dog, and that in her experience most dogs, regardless of breed, will do their best to kill (or "play with") the rabbits anyway. queserasera posted:The OP already asked these questions in the rabbit thread and got pretty much the same answers. I think he's just shopping for the answer he wants. rabbitmonger posted:I had a dog and rabbits and they got along well enough for several years (dog didn't gently caress with them, buns eventually died of old age) BUT it was a very specific "this particular dog and these particular rabbits are not making each other miserable" situation. I would not do it again and I don't recommend other people do it either. You're rolling the dice on the wellbeing of the rabbits and that's naive at best, cruel at worst.
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gamingCaffeinator posted:And was it the same response as this thread? Then you're the problem. Ironically, I posted the same article earlier in the thread to defend myself and somebody criticized me for posting it, because of its poor sentence structure and mixed messaging. There are whole other parts of that article that go into depth on how a dog/rabbit relationship could work successfully. Here are some responses to when I was dumb enough to bring home a terrier: "I had a dog and rabbits and they got along well enough for several years (dog didn't gently caress with them, buns eventually died of old age) BUT it was a very specific "this particular dog and these particular rabbits are not making each other miserable" situation. I would not do it again and I don't recommend other people do it either. You're rolling the dice on the wellbeing of the rabbits and that's naive at best, cruel at worst." "If the dog (as a puppy) grows up with the buns they might be ok, but introducing a grown dog to rabbits is asking for trouble. We had a bird when we got our puppy and he was fine with it because he knew it was off limits, but when we got a second dog who was 6 months+ we ended up sending the bird to live with my mom (who spoils him rotten) because dog #2 was going to eat him the second she got a chance. What I’m saying is, don’t introduce grown rear end dogs to your rabbits because carnage will ensue." The second response was why having a 1 year old poodle is complicated for me, because he's something between a puppy and an adult dog. I'm not sure if it's possible to socialize him given the circumstances, but I'm trying. The following was in response to me getting the poodle, but said nothing about poodles specifically. I looked up the prey drive of German Shepards and they seemed to be very high on the spectrum. "You didn't get it the last time people told you, so I'll just reiterate it here: if you want the bunnies to live their natural lives, don't let the dog near them. Any dog will have some amount of predatory instinct, even if they're generally well behaved around typical "prey" animals. My wife had two german shepherds growing up who had been around the farm's goats since they were puppies. They never had any issues for years, then one day when they were about five or six years old, something snapped in them and they killed four of the goats. Nobody ever figured out why, and the dogs obviously had no idea they ever did anything wrong. It's not the sort of thing you can control, or even guard against. " So all things considered, I'm trying very hard to keep the dog and the buns separate, and will definitely rehome one or the other if it proves to be impossible.
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Yossarian-22 posted:- Signs that the bunnies aren't having a good time when introduced to the dog, so that I can convince my girlfriend to rehome them or the mini-poodle they are stoic creatures so won't show any signs you are likely to notice until it is literally a medical emergency
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Yossarian-22 posted:Ironically, I posted the same article earlier in the thread to defend myself and somebody criticized me for posting it, because of its poor sentence structure and mixed messaging. There are whole other parts of that article that go into depth on how a dog/rabbit relationship could work successfully. The rabbits will be able to smell your dog and it will terrify them. Give up and go make your rabbits' lives a living hell until the dog eats them or they die from stress, just stop pretending you're choosing anything else.
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The aforementioned responses were a result of me bringing home a terrier for one day, which I ultimately regretted, even though it was totally free and helped me figure out just how allergic I am to non-hypoallergenic dogs in close proximity. The response here along with my allergies made it clear that we had to adopt a non-hypoallergenic dog with a much better disposition towards bunnies. We had been determined to bring home a dog for a long time, and I'll repeat that the impulse terrier adoption was on my girlfriend's initiative, and I made very clear that we were going to bring it back immediately if things didn't work out. That adoption kind of won the attention of the thread for a whole page or so even though I adopted him in absentia, and unfortunately I haven't been able to live it down ever since.
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clear eyes full farts posted:they are stoic creatures so won't show any signs you are likely to notice until it is literally a medical emergency Thank you. I'll let her know
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Yossarian-22 posted:The aforementioned responses were a result of me bringing home a terrier for one day, which I ultimately regretted, even though it was totally free and helped me figure out just how allergic I am to non-hypoallergenic dogs in close proximity. The response here along with my allergies made it clear that we had to adopt a non-hypoallergenic dog with a much better disposition towards bunnies. We had been determined to bring home a dog for a long time, and I'll repeat that the impulse terrier adoption was on my girlfriend's initiative, and I made very clear that we were going to bring it back immediately if things didn't work out.
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FactsAreUseless posted:No, your unbelievable shittiness "won the attention of the thread." Take your meds, Dr. Borderline. How are you an admin and yet the most ableist shithead imaginable?
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Yossarian-22 posted:How are you an admin and yet the most ableist shithead imaginable?
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Also these are my girlfriend's rabbits, not mine. I just moved in with her. I'm trying to learn more about rabbits here and this is a joint situation. Sometimes my girlfriend, for example, looks for incredibly obvious telltale signs like "thumping" and assumes that if they're not doing that, they're fine. But if they're in fact stoic creatures, then she should know about that, because then we absolutely should do something about that.
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Quit making excuses. You can't pretend it's her fault or her sole responsibility.
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Yossarian-22 posted:Also these are my girlfriend's rabbits, not mine. I just moved in with her. I'm trying to learn more about rabbits here and this is a joint situation. Sometimes my girlfriend, for example, looks for incredibly obvious telltale signs like "thumping" and assumes that if they're not doing that, they're fine. But if they're in fact stoic creatures, then she should know about that, because then we absolutely should do something about that. The rabbits are never going to be comfortable or happy if there is a dog in the house. Period. You and your girlfriend decide not to have a dog, or accept that the dog is going to be at the expensive of your rabbits.
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FactsAreUseless posted:It's not ableist to point out that you definitely have BPD because you exhibit every symptom. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu6C1ZDbuOM Sorry for doxxing you
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FactsAreUseless posted:Quit making excuses. You can't pretend it's her fault or her sole responsibility. Yeah, you're right. Which is why I'm here trying to take responsibility and do the right thing, you rear end in a top hat
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Yossarian-22 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu6C1ZDbuOM
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Yossarian-22 posted:Yeah, you're right. Which is why I'm here trying to take responsibility and do the right thing, you rear end in a top hat
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FactsAreUseless posted:Lmao. You don't know what ableism is. I think having asperger's and anxiety, along with a sister who's schizophrenic alongside a husband who's bipolar, qualifies me to "know what ableism is," you oval office. And further disqualifies you from being an admin of even the deadest, gayest forum imaginable. If you were earnest in telling me to "seek help" and "meds" and a fellow peer then yeah, sure. That wouldn't be ableism. But you're not a peer. You're just a oval office.
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It also happens that seeking help and meds is something that I've done and continue to do. So yeah. Lick my wet rear end in a top hat
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Yossarian-22 posted:I think having asperger's and anxiety, along with a sister who's schizophrenic alongside a husband who's bipolar, qualifies me to "know what ableism is," you oval office. And further disqualifies you from being an admin of even the deadest, gayest forum imaginable. You should get your dead rabbits a therapist too, since they get to live in constant fear
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Well I'm out. Sorry if my bunnies die due to how much you've pushed me away from this thread by being an ableist, patronizing dipshit. Consider quitting your dayjob of being an rear end in a top hat and doing something with your life instead
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