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BravestOfTheLamps posted:So if these books are subversive, why do they feature a race of universally evil subhumans? Isn't that like the first thing you're expected to "subvert" if you're trying to avoid genre fantasy cliches? He sort of subverts a trope with the Shanka by not having them be the spawn the any great evil (like Melkor in LotR) but rather humanoid-hybrid creations made by an old recluse to use against his brother. They're the leftovers of one of these petty fights as opposed to footsoldiers in a great battle between good and evil.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Please elaborate, I'm interested Marshall McLuhan posted:Today when we want to get our bearings in our own culture, and have need to stand aside from the bias and pressure exerted by any technical form of human expression, we have only to visit a society where that particular form has not been felt, or a historical period in which it was unknown. Professor Wilbur Schramm made such a tactical move in studying Television in the Lives of Our Children. He found areas where TV had not penetrated at all and ran some tests. Since he had made no study of the peculiar nature of the TV image, his tests were of “content” preferences, viewing time, and vocabulary counts. In a word, his approach to the problem was a literary one, albeit unconsciously so. Consequently, he had nothing to report. Had his methods been employed in 1500 a.d. to discover the effects of the printed book in the lives of children or adults, he could have found out nothing of the changes in human and social psychology resulting from typography. Print created individualism and nationalism in the sixteenth century. Program and “content” analysis offer no clues to the magic of these media or to their subliminal charge.
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Ccs posted:He sort of subverts a trope with the Shanka by not having them be the spawn the any great evil (like Melkor in LotR) but rather humanoid-hybrid creations made by an old recluse to use against his brother. They're the leftovers of one of these petty fights as opposed to footsoldiers in a great battle between good and evil. Well gently caress a doodle doo
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Okay so read McLuhan, well, he was on the list anyway, but thanks.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Well gently caress a doodle doo I'm sorry it doesn't meet your qualifications of a worthy subversion.
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I'm re-reading heroes now because I read the link that was posted, before Botl resurrected the thread again, with Abercrombie discussing what he thought of each book. I forgot how big the cast was. It's kind of hilarious to me that this is supposed to be the most focused book. And it definitely is focused thematically. I'm liking how he is always bringing it back to being a hero and everything so far, but I'm afraid it's going to grow old as my read through progressrs, I'm only like 1/4 through right now. As far my favorite part is curnden craw and the juxtaposition of his internal monologue with his actions. Really subverts the badass barbarian chief.
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There's nothing "subverted" when the book literally starts with him complaining about being too old for this poo poo. That's cliche as gently caress.
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Jul 14, 2018 21:29
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You're cliché as gently caress.
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packsmack posted:I'm re-reading heroes now because I read the link that was posted, before Botl resurrected the thread again, with Abercrombie discussing what he thought of each book. I forgot how big the cast was. It's kind of hilarious to me that this is supposed to be the most focused book. And it definitely is focused thematically. I'm liking how he is always bringing it back to being a hero and everything so far, but I'm afraid it's going to grow old as my read through progressrs, I'm only like 1/4 through right now. I remember liking The Heroes but the only characters I can remember from it are the ones also in the original trilogy. Most of the new characters he introduced didn't make much of a lasting impression.
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Ccs posted:I remember liking The Heroes but the only characters I can remember from it are the ones also in the original trilogy. Most of the new characters he introduced didn't make much of a lasting impression. Tunny is the best character in Abercrombie's entire body of work.
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Jul 15, 2018 08:44
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And he's a poor man's Švejk, which says it all.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:And he's a poor man's Švejk, which says it all. So do you only read unfinished novels or what? This, Man Without Qualities...
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Ccs posted:So do you only read unfinished novels or what? This, Man Without Qualities... Correct, but it is easier than it sounds. Before I read a completed novel, I forcefully rend the last fifty pages or so from it.
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Big Bowie Bonanza posted:must make animorphs unintelligible mostly its just about kids in school before they get ready to go on a covert mission. true story: cassie, the nerdy horse-girl, was my first crush
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Jul 15, 2018 22:02
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Coincidentally, my first crush was a horse
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My first sexual experience involved me being crushed by a horse. I wonder if my Secret Service bodyguards will let me post this
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I'm a horse
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Coincidentally, my first crush was a horse I feel bad for the horse
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Suxpool posted:Tunny is the best character in Abercrombie's entire body of work. Who is Svejk? BravestOfTheLamps posted:Even arch-hack Tolkien thought that a race of universally evil subhumans was an artistic and intellectual failure
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VagueRant posted:Who is Svejk? Shows what you know.
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lmao if you don't know your 1920s czech literature you ignorant fool
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Shows what you know. 
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VagueRant posted:Yeah, I don't know, that's why I asked you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Good_Soldier_%C5%A0vejk
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Svejk is an obnoxious rear end in a top hat's Tunny basically
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Seems weird to ask that when google exists, to me
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Joe ragging on some authors and possibly himself. https://twitter.com/LordGrimdark/status/1026884136752037888
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Ccs posted:Joe ragging on some authors and possibly himself. Joe's awkward sex scenes are the best.
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But can he top the awkwardness of the Monza/Shivers scene in Best Served Cold?!
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Xenix posted:But can he top the awkwardness of the Monza/Shivers scene in Best Served Cold?! I sure hope he tries.
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Duke what'shisname asking Monza to piss on him in Best Served Cold is one of the funniest bits in all the books.
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So did anyone think of any sensible reason at all why the "subversive" fantasy series has orcs in it? Orcs, mind you, that are even more straight-forwardly evil and monstrous than Tolkien's specimens?
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:There's nothing "subverted" when the book literally starts with him complaining about being too old for this poo poo. That's cliche as gently caress. I don’t know your posts well, but you seem like someone I might have met in grad school who would occasionally show up in a Political Theory course thinking they were way smarter than they actually were because they were accepted into a top ranked comp lit program. So, just for the record, you come off as someone who is kind of smart, but not nearly as smart as they think they are who choses to be a complete asshat based on their false assumption they are smarter than everyone in the room, when really they are only smarter than half the people in the room. Less than half if the room is a graduate level seminar in a PhD program. ZombieLenin fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Aug 17, 2018 |
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Oh no someone got orcs all over my fantasy book.
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BotL is quite often trolling, or is maybe just an rear end in a top hat. He does occasionally say something interesting so I'd still read his posts even if most of it is probably intentional exaggeration and distortion.
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He just wrote a big takedown of Abercrombie’s books in the Bonfire of the Genresthread if you guys wanna read that. I’d say that Joe didn’t set out to write the first law out of a desire to subvert all fantasy tropes. He chose some to subvert and kept others that he liked or fit with the plot. The result is him writing a fantasy book to his tastes instead of a project that seeks to overturn all fantasy conventions forever.
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Ccs posted:He just wrote a big takedown of Abercrombie’s books in the Bonfire of the Genresthread if you guys wanna read that. Nah I'll pass
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