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Inept posted:would you call yourself a centrist Lol, you say that as if I'm not speaking from a position of a scorn that it happens. People largely are powerless, or sufficiently disengaged, to stop the hands of development. Would, in my dream world, there be careful study and conservation of each and every significant culture feature happen? Yes. Does it happen currently? No, because business and governments typically don't care beyond items that puff their agenda. Re: parking lots, direct quotation will have to wait because most of this writing is going to be in private (CRM firms, business companies, government) hands or otherwise obscured from easy access, or beyond a paywall (journal articles). I'll touch up after I get back home (pulling quotes from articles because phone posting) but for now here's some pieces that speak to the utility of pavement as a preservation method and that the operating principle (reburial) is used: The famous incident of King Richard III A neat blog post that also is an introduction to urban archaeology. I don't know why you think I'm specifically advocating for its usage. All I'm saying is it's not unheard of, and in lieu of greater autonomy in the hands of cultural authorities mitigate is sometimes the best option, lest it be destroyed entirely.
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Outrail posted:There was a book called 'Get Even: The complete book of dirty tricks' which 14 year old me though was kicking rad. Half was poo poo on the extreme end of 'pranks' and half was straight up illegal poo poo like taking down transmission lines. Oh man, George Hayduke. I think there were like 3 of those books and they were presented as like lighthearted revenge pranks. But really it started at flaming bags of poop and then escalated to cutting brake lines and planting drugs/CP in your enemy's house and calling the cops.
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Kazak posted:Lol slap a parking lot on it. Richard III, King found under a parking lot, finally laid to rest
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Kalsco posted:I don't know why you think I'm specifically advocating for its usage. All I'm saying is it's not unheard of, and in lieu of greater autonomy in the hands of cultural authorities mitigate is sometimes the best option, lest it be destroyed entirely. instead of being angry at it in the capitalism thread, you said "it could be worse", the trademark lament of a dork
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Inept posted:instead of being angry at it in the capitalism thread, you said "it could be worse", the trademark lament of a dork Fair enough. e: i aint bothering with a new post, here https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1179/135050304793137865 posted:Recent investigations in the cityof Sheffield, South Yorkshire, exposed the remains of a series of 19th-century cementation furnaces used to produce blister steel from Swedish wrought iron... https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1179/135050304793137874 posted:Reburial of sites may never become a popular option for preservation of the archaeological heritage. It is anathema to those archaeologists whose world revolves around Kalsco has issued a correction as of 01:52 on Aug 8, 2018 |
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red19fire posted:Oh man, George Hayduke. I think there were like 3 of those books and they were presented as like lighthearted revenge pranks. But really it started at flaming bags of poop and then escalated to cutting brake lines and planting drugs/CP in your enemy's house and calling the cops. And George Hayduke came from an Edward Abbey book, "The Monkey Wrench Gang" about a group of eco-terrorists (1975 or 76). I had a whole ton of Paladin press books/pamphlets. I remember back in the day, the rumor was that the Anarchist Cookbook was put out by the CIA to deliberately cause folks using it to blow themselves up or poison themselves. I still have a copy of 'The Chemistry of Powder and Explosives' by Tenney Davis; A buddy and I used it to make Picric Acid in highschool. Kids can't do that today.
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porktree posted:And George Hayduke came from an Edward Abbey book, "The Monkey Wrench Gang" about a group of eco-terrorists (1975 or 76). I had a whole ton of Paladin press books/pamphlets. I remember back in the day, the rumor was that the Anarchist Cookbook was put out by the CIA to deliberately cause folks using it to blow themselves up or poison themselves. I still have a copy of 'The Chemistry of Powder and Explosives' by Tenney Davis; A buddy and I used it to make Picric Acid in highschool. Kids can't do that today. When I was in grad school they called in a bomb squad to remove the picric acid I found in our lab. Nearly 1 kg of it that was over 40 years old. My boss wanted me to try and open it and save some in solution 'in case we need it again.' Hell no.
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porktree posted:And George Hayduke came from an Edward Abbey book, "The Monkey Wrench Gang" about a group of eco-terrorists (1975 or 76). I had a whole ton of Paladin press books/pamphlets. I remember back in the day, the rumor was that the Anarchist Cookbook was put out by the CIA to deliberately cause folks using it to blow themselves up or poison themselves. I still have a copy of 'The Chemistry of Powder and Explosives' by Tenney Davis; A buddy and I used it to make Picric Acid in highschool. Kids can't do that today. All through highschool (like a decade ago) I was making my own fireworks out of basic chemicals I ordered online (potassium salts, sulphur, metal powders etc), and you can still get pretty much all of that stuff, so I'm sure kids'll find a way to do dumb dangerous bullshit if they want to 
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ate all the Oreos posted:All through highschool (like a decade ago) I was making my own fireworks out of basic chemicals I ordered online (potassium salts, sulphur, metal powders etc), and you can still get pretty much all of that stuff, so I'm sure kids'll find a way to do dumb dangerous bullshit if they want to The difference is now they get charged with felony bomb making. Saw this happen to two ChemEng majors at.my university after they put dry ice and water in soda bottles.
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DisgracelandUSA posted:The difference is now they get charged with felony bomb making. Saw this happen to two ChemEng majors at.my university after they put dry ice and water in soda bottles. Hahah what? Does that even count as a bomb? We used buy dry ice from a factory downtown to do that when we were like 14. We'd be throwing dry ice around the train back home and noone gave a poo poo.
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We did it with drain cleaner and aluminum. So that's a bomb charge now? Lame.
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In case anyone hasn’t heard of it, the Russian method of making sure the launch order is given even if leadership is (gone, in the case of a sudden American first strike, or) reluctant is a computer system called Dead Hand buried deep in a bunker in a forest outside Moscow that gives the order automatically if it detects that the capital is hit. It may or may not still be turned on; they’re not telling.
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Pirate Radar posted:In case anyone hasn’t heard of it, the Russian method of making sure the launch order is given even if leadership is (gone, in the case of a sudden American first strike, or) reluctant is a computer system called Dead Hand buried deep in a bunker in a forest outside Moscow that gives the order automatically if it detects that the capital is hit. It may or may not still be turned on; they’re not telling. I see zero downsides to completely fabricating something like that honestly
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Don't forget that unless the story was blown way out of proportion a guy in Russia second guessed the computer and didn't nuke everyone when it told him to. Good thing too because it was literally nothing.
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Elman posted:
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Len posted:Don't forget that unless the story was blown way out of proportion a guy in Russia second guessed the computer and didn't nuke everyone when it told him to. That wasn’t the computer system, that was—I’m guessing—the time when the Soviet warning satellites mistook sunlight glinting off clouds for the flare of an American rocket engine and sounded the alarm at the control center. The air defense officer in charge of relaying such reports to the Kremlin correctly figured that the Americans wouldn’t launch just one missile and that the system must be malfunctioning. The Dead Hand computer isn’t designed to cut human operators out entirely, just to take over if it thinks all the humans are dead. The officer from that incident was reassigned because the satellite failure was considered embarrassing. He received no reward for possibly averting a nuclear war.
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Anyone who wants to give themselves a feeling of pure existential terror should read Command and Control: Nuclear Weapons, the Damascus Accident, and the Illusion of Safety. It features such luminous episodes in the history of American nuclear weapon handling as:
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Memento posted:Anyone who wants to give themselves a feeling of pure existential terror should read Command and Control: Nuclear Weapons, the Damascus Accident, and the Illusion of Safety. It features such luminous episodes in the history of American nuclear weapon handling as: The US Air Force also left two real nuclear bombs on a runway because they thought they were just fake training bombs and went home for the day.
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Memento posted:Their hands. lmao 
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Memento posted:Their hands. 
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There's an episode of "This American Life" where some people working in a nuclear silo accidently dropped a spanner and punctured the fuel tank, causing an explosion. Thankfully the nuke didn't go off, but the segment wasn't any more comforting. https://www.thisamericanlife.org/634/human-error-in-volatile-situations
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ate all the Oreos posted:The US does a mock nuclear war training exercise every year or two or something, where someone pretends to be the president (because if the actual president did it it would reveal how they would act) and even in the 100% simulated, completely consequence-free training exercise nobody has ever been able to bring themselves to order the counterattack Trump wouldn’t believe that his handler Vlad would do such a thing. The generals must be wrong.
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Len posted:Don't forget that unless the story was blown way out of proportion a guy in Russia second guessed the computer and didn't nuke everyone when it told him to. No, that literally happened. It was some kind of programming error that led to the radar saying "holy gently caress a bunch of missiles are on the way!!!" but something looked wrong to the guy. He just kind of went "no, this is a stupid glitch, can we not launch stuff?" Turned out he was right, no missiles had been launched, and Russian missiles kept sitting wherever Russia keeps them. I forget the details but something about it all just looked off to the guy so he wouldn't launch anything despite the computer pretty much screaming PUSH THE drat BUTTON ALREADY.
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Pirate Radar posted:In case anyone hasn’t heard of it, the Russian method of making sure the launch order is given even if leadership is (gone, in the case of a sudden American first strike, or) reluctant is a computer system called Dead Hand buried deep in a bunker in a forest outside Moscow that gives the order automatically if it detects that the capital is hit. It may or may not still be turned on; they’re not telling. Israel supposedly has something similar and they aimed all their poo poo at Europe and Russia just in case The Samson Option its called
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Scary! posted:There's an episode of "This American Life" where some people working in a nuclear silo accidently dropped a spanner and punctured the fuel tank, causing an explosion. Thankfully the nuke didn't go off, but the segment wasn't any more comforting. Luckily for humanity, it's very hard to make a nuclear explosive explode... nuclearly. That's one of the biggest challenges beyond just getting enough material to make the bomb, actually - you have to detonate something like 32 or more points on the exact right position around a sphere of explosives at precisely the same time, like within plus or minus less than a microsecond, or the whole thing just explodes normally (and spreads a bunch of uranium around, but uranium by itself isn't dangerously radioactive).
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Scary! posted:There's an episode of "This American Life" where some people working in a nuclear silo accidently dropped a spanner and punctured the fuel tank, causing an explosion. Thankfully the nuke didn't go off, but the segment wasn't any more comforting. There’s a documentary on Netflix based on the book that someone else referenced here earlier “Command and Control” and they interview the guy that dropped the wrench. It’s pretty scary how close we’ve come to bombing ourselves several times, not to mention how many times we’ve accidentally dropped nuclear/hydrogen bombs all over the world that by a stroke of luck managed to not explode at their full force.
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Kazak posted:Israel supposedly has something similar and they aimed all their poo poo at Europe and Russia just in case That's not a system like Dead Hand, that's just their policy of destroying the world if they don't get their way.
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Memento posted:Anyone who wants to give themselves a feeling of pure existential terror should read Command and Control: Nuclear Weapons, the Damascus Accident, and the Illusion of Safety. It features such luminous episodes in the history of American nuclear weapon handling as: But don't think that our Guardians of Freedom™ being out of their gourds on-duty is a thing of the past! It's still happening quote:The airmen took the drugs — which also included ecstasy, cocaine and marijuana — during their off-duty time, but at least one airman acknowledged that while under the influence of LSD, he wouldn't have been able to respond properly if he had been suddenly called to duty.
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Yeah it’s not a computer they’ll just, well, bring the temple down around them.
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ate all the Oreos posted:Luckily for humanity, it's very hard to make a nuclear explosive explode... nuclearly. That's one of the biggest challenges beyond just getting enough material to make the bomb, actually - you have to detonate something like 32 or more points on the exact right position around a sphere of explosives at precisely the same time, like within plus or minus less than a microsecond, or the whole thing just explodes normally (and spreads a bunch of uranium around, but uranium by itself isn't dangerously radioactive). I read a long time ago that special forces protocol for defusing a nuclear bomb on the ground is to just ventilate that poo poo with gunfire
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Memento posted:Anyone who wants to give themselves a feeling of pure existential terror should read Command and Control: Nuclear Weapons, the Damascus Accident, and the Illusion of Safety. It features such luminous episodes in the history of American nuclear weapon handling as:
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ate all the Oreos posted:Luckily for humanity, it's very hard to make a nuclear explosive explode... nuclearly. That's one of the biggest challenges beyond just getting enough material to make the bomb, actually - you have to detonate something like 32 or more points on the exact right position around a sphere of explosives at precisely the same time, like within plus or minus less than a microsecond, or the whole thing just explodes normally (and spreads a bunch of uranium around, but uranium by itself isn't dangerously radioactive). That depends on the kind of bomb. Current bomb designs are designed basically that way because, hey, maybe we shouldn't make it easy to set off something this horribly destructive accidentally. Early on in the days of nuclear exploration criticality accidents were terrifyingly common. Plutonium in particular really, really wants to go critical and melt everything or engage in some runaway nuclear reaction that blows up. Nuclear weapons aren't necessarily uranium; weapons-grade plutonium exists and is terrifying.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:That depends on the kind of bomb. Current bomb designs are designed basically that way because, hey, maybe we shouldn't make it easy to set off something this horribly destructive accidentally. Criticality is necessary but not sufficient for a nuclear explosion, and we moved to implosion-type weapons more because they were easier to scale up than gun-types (since gun-types tended to explode before the two pieces were brought all the way together, and so were inefficient). But yeah some of the early designs were hilariously dangerous, though usually in more of a "if this thing is dropped it'll irradiate everyone in a 1000ft radius" way rather than a "if this thing is dropped it will vaporize everything within a 5 mile radius" kinda way. Fun thing I didn't realize until recently: we didn't stop making gun-type bombs with little boy, we actually made quite a few of them for use in nuclear artillery shells because they were considered more "durable" 
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Join the AIRPOWER thread in TFR.
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g0lbez posted:This is all totally off topic but interesting enough to warrant another thread imo Weapons of mass destruction contracted by the federal government to the lowest bidder 
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g0lbez posted:Nah
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