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The Dregs posted:OK, so my crotchety old bastard of a friend really wants to run his 'Dream D&D Campaign". I've seen his notes, some of them are over 30 years old. This will end badly, but it is sure to be a wild ride. His main rule is no magic. Sword and Sorcery, Conan style. Only humans. One guy got a special dispensation to play a halfling reskinned as a motherfucking midget. We're allowed one cleric, and she is supposed to only memorize healing supporty type stuff. His one exception is that if we can come up with a character concept that uses low-key magic stuff reskinned as mundane, he will allow it. So I am thinking beastmaster ranger. The ranger in the corebook is quite bad, and the beastmaster is especially so since it's been cut down massively to avoid issues with the action economy. There is a Revised Ranger online which is a bit better. It's still got some issues but in a no-magic game you're kind of hosed for options. The Revised Ranger is here. This beastmaster isn't bad in this version since it doesn't take your action to order it around. I know this thread doesn't appreciate blunt dismissals, but any D&D campaign where magic isn't allowed is one you should avoid at all costs. Magic is a massive part of the system's flavor, fun, decision making and most of all the maths. Unless this guy swaps to a system where this can actually work, it's going to be a flop. That's not a judgement on D&D, it's just a system built on magic.
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The Dregs posted:OK, so my crotchety old bastard of a friend really wants to run his 'Dream D&D Campaign". I've seen his notes, some of them are over 30 years old. This will end badly, but it is sure to be a wild ride. His main rule is no magic. Sword and Sorcery, Conan style. Only humans. One guy got a special dispensation to play a halfling reskinned as a motherfucking midget. We're allowed one cleric, and she is supposed to only memorize healing supporty type stuff. His one exception is that if we can come up with a character concept that uses low-key magic stuff reskinned as mundane, he will allow it. So I am thinking beastmaster ranger. The best Ranger is Scout Rogue with the Outlander background feature. As a bonus, it's also non-magical. If you want a pet then use Animal Handling expertise to befriend and train some critter(s).
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Aug 8, 2018 00:14
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I'll check that out. thanks!
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Aug 8, 2018 00:16
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Yeah no DnD barring 4E does not work without magic and is very vanilla without it.
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Aug 8, 2018 00:20
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Wrestlepig posted:
I know this. He's so excited, though. I am sure it will be a disaster. I feel a little bad for the guy. He actually wanted to use his homebrew ruleset he banged out in the 80's. He got real butthurt when we all refused to play it. It was basically a half-baked Rolemaster clone. So, we all decided to do this, knowing it was a bad idea, because he's just so drat earnest about it. Who knows, it may work out great.
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Aug 8, 2018 00:21
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ChaseSP posted:Yeah no DnD barring 4E does not work without magic and is very vanilla without it. "Low Magic setting" tends to be code for "It's more gritty if the protagonists need to use filthy bandages!", 'non magical' enemies get a dose of steroids, and the setting is still absolutely lousy with magic aimed at you and the world at large. It CAN be done well if you basically admit it's for this lopsided reasoning though. And Conan is often about deciding dark wizards and eldritch horrors are huge nerds that need a good stabbing. Kind of like Battle Brothers for just one of the better examples. You still can't go five feet without running into a goblin shaman, monsters than expand in size categories when they eat corpses, and so much undead they need separate categories for "Undead" vs "Ancient undead" (Which includes teleporting skeleton wizards). Just another day on the job for team murderhobo incorporated. Section Z fucked around with this message at 00:38 on Aug 8, 2018 |
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Aug 8, 2018 00:29
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The Dregs posted:I know this. He's so excited, though. I am sure it will be a disaster. I feel a little bad for the guy. He actually wanted to use his homebrew ruleset he banged out in the 80's. He got real butthurt when we all refused to play it. It was basically a half-baked Rolemaster clone. So, we all decided to do this, knowing it was a bad idea, because he's just so drat earnest about it. Who knows, it may work out great. It’s worth a try, especially since it’s a friend and the problems won’t manifest for a while.
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Aug 8, 2018 00:30
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Conspiratiorist posted:I'm having a hard time parsing you, but the way it works RAW is you cast Hold Person using a Bonus Action by spending 2 Sorcery Points on Quicken metamagic, and then you strike with Green-Flame Blade as your Action.
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Aug 8, 2018 00:31
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Arivia posted:Other things in 5e's bucket of "good ideas" that didn't pan out: the entire game. it's trash. trash the entire game. Better then pathfinder in my opinion. And were you not the one in the Pathfinder thread who posted this Arivia posted:You do realize this is the Pathfinder thread for people who actually play the game right? Like all of that is pretty reasonable as someone who actually plays the game. Cause it's kind of hypocritical for you to come in here and constantly complain about the game and nothing else.
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Aug 8, 2018 00:35
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I like talking about D&D dude. I like D&D. I play D&D with the name filed off twice, three times a week. The current D&D is just really bad.
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Aug 8, 2018 00:42
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKdJ6DnPhzk
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Arivia posted:I like talking about D&D dude. I like D&D. I play D&D with the name filed off twice, three times a week. The current D&D is just really bad. Not any worse then most of it's editions.
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Aug 8, 2018 01:49
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It's all D&D my dudes.
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Aug 8, 2018 02:00
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Sorry for the derail, But I saw the gorkamorka comment 6 Pages ago and I am surprised how few homebrews seem to switch to non-DND deities. For any game Im running at least a faction of orks have gork&mork and all dwarwes are called urist, worship Armok and have obsession with Magma.
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Aug 8, 2018 03:14
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MonsterEnvy posted:Not any worse then most of it's editions. No actually the other editions were a concerted effort to improve the game with a lot of effort and drive. 5e is lazy and has no goals
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Aug 8, 2018 04:40
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In historical context 5e is a massive disappointment if not literally an insult, but in absolute terms it’s the second best edition of D&D.
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Aug 8, 2018 04:58
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At least in the Pathfinder thread people just talk about how bad Pathfinder is instead of constantly dissolving into EDITION WARS
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Elysiume posted:At least in the Pathfinder thread people just talk about how bad Pathfinder is instead of constantly dissolving into EDITION WARS  It's people having fun in the wrong way that causes edition wars, not if a system is bad or not after all 
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Aug 8, 2018 05:19
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gradenko_2000 posted:If you have access to these books: This is excellent advice. I'd also read 13th Age's Eyes of the Stone Thief by Garth Ryder-Hanrahan to understand what an astonishingly kickass campaign looks like (plus I'd steal from it relentlessly)
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Aug 8, 2018 05:34
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13th age doesn’t do a lot of original setting stuff, but “Dungeons are sentient monsters that consume and incorporate the landscape” rules
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Elysiume posted:At least in the Pathfinder thread people just talk about how bad Pathfinder is instead of constantly dissolving into EDITION WARS Well PF 2e is coming out so that will all change.
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Aug 8, 2018 06:25
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Ferrinus posted:In historical context 5e is a massive disappointment if not literally an insult, but in absolute terms it’s the second best edition of D&D. Oh poo poo I never looked at it like this.
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Aug 8, 2018 06:57
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5e is exactly what it needs to be. Newbies hated 4e and love 5e. Sorry grognards.
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Aug 8, 2018 06:59
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Verisimilidude posted:What are some thrifty things you guys do for your games? I'm starting a group soon and I'm trying to come up with fun ideas for tokens. So far I have some 1" washers, bought a 1" paper punch, and I'm gonna try to print some creature tokens out and glue them to the washers. Dollar Tree has Army Guys and zombies for a buck a bag. I let the players pick which team their minis are(literally everyone picks Zombies.) Target also has/had these little robot toys in primary colors in the cheap aisle at the entrance. Those work pretty good because everyone can pick their own color and it's easy to track. Around holidays like Halloween and Christmas I would use candy or cookie monsters. The player that gets the kill shot has first dibs on eating that monster(this one's only cheap if you reserve it for said holidays where candy is on hand)
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Aug 8, 2018 07:17
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kingcom posted:Oh poo poo I never looked at it like this.
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Amethyst posted:5e is exactly what it needs to be. Newbies hated 4e and love 5e. Sorry grognards. yeah people hated 4e so much it landed on the ny times best sellers list multiple times also 5e is enjoying success due to a boom in D&D interest from streaming becoming popular not because it's good.
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Aug 8, 2018 07:23
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Babylon Astronaut posted:It's true. Whatever you want in an edition of D&D, 5e is second best. It's all it strived to be. Wizards of the Coast has this problem where they freak out if their product sells too well, so instead of listening to responses from their focus group, they find a group that likes what their selling and calls it a day. lol it's not even 3rd best at anything
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Aug 8, 2018 07:23
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I'm trying here.
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So I've got two characters I'm messing around with, and I wanted to dip in to see if I can't catch any advice. The first is still Level 1 and he's a Goblin Paladin: https://ddb.ac/characters/3651974/WBZAUt My intent is to be a Dexadin, but I'm still humming and hawwing on how I want to do it exactly. One friend suggested Dual-Wielding but while being able to lay out a stupid number of smites in a single turn sounds neat, I'd need Warcaster to actually cast spells that way. My own intent was to still just do sword+board, just in this case the sword is a rapier(or whatever magical finesse weapon I get eventually. With how I have the build setup so far, I won't be able to multi-class at all, although I do have some benefits in not getting disadvantage on Stealth, having a 17 AC with studded leather+shield at Level 1, and also being able to use a shortbow effectively. The Oath I was thinking either Devotion or Ancients, but that might change depending on how I plan this out. The second is a Bugbear Samurai that is Level 4, for now. My idea here can be summed up in "Man it's be funny to be able to do 10 attacks my first turn, have advantage on most of them and then use GWM with those attacks." A full Level 20 build has him at 16 Samurai/4 Gloomstalker, but I kind of realize my Barbarian leveling in only seven or eight months wasn't the norm. So I was trying to figure out what to just do for the first 10 levels. If I multi-classed, it'd be something like this: https://ddb.ac/characters/4489503/qTd15p One +2 ASI, Polearm Master for a feat. Trying to decide whether GWM or another +2 would be best, but I've a good source of Advantage although it does use my bonus action.
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The Dregs posted:OK, so my crotchety old bastard of a friend really wants to run his 'Dream D&D Campaign". I've seen his notes, some of them are over 30 years old. This guy wants to play his best-selling fantasy novel he's never got around to writing. This game is going to be super rail-roady, and he's going to be constantly pissed when players go off script and don't do what he expected and wanted them to do. Have fun with that. Deptfordx fucked around with this message at 11:16 on Aug 8, 2018 |
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Amethyst posted:Newbies hated 4e Wrestlepig posted:It’s worth a try, especially since it’s a friend and the problems won’t manifest for a while.
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Aug 8, 2018 09:32
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Just assume I attack the closest thing every round, and I'll play my DS. Roll the damage dice, and the d20 at the same time, the game takes seconds over the span of hours to play. If you have the lucky feat, and are vaguely paying attention you can even effect the game. Just say, "no, that's not good, how many dice I got? and "Roll em" whenever you want to impact the story.
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Deptfordx posted:This guy wants to play his best-selling fantasy novel he's never got around to writing. This game is going to be super rail-roady, and he's going to be constantly pissed when players go off script and don't do what he expected and wanted them to do. Have fun with that. Oh, I know it. It's already started. I talked to him last night and told him my character was going to be an older guy, maybe early sixties. He said that I'd have to lower his STR and DEX, but I could raise INT and WIS (we're all limited to martial classes, btw). I told him to gently caress off. He said it just wasn't realistic.
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Amethyst posted:5e is exactly what it needs to be. Newbies hated 4e and love 5e. Sorry grognards. Penny Arcade's Acquisitions Inc was the Critical Role of its day, and every version of D&D has always been the most popular its ever been relative to the previous one.
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The Dregs posted:Oh, I know it. It's already started. I talked to him last night and told him my character was going to be an older guy, maybe early sixties. He said that I'd have to lower his STR and DEX, but I could raise INT and WIS (we're all limited to martial classes, btw). I told him to gently caress off. He said it just wasn't realistic.
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The Dregs posted:Oh, I know it. It's already started. I talked to him last night and told him my character was going to be an older guy, maybe early sixties. He said that I'd have to lower his STR and DEX, but I could raise INT and WIS (we're all limited to martial classes, btw). I told him to gently caress off. He said it just wasn't realistic. It's it a 1st ed game? That's a rule in the dmg.
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sebmojo posted:It's it a 1st ed game? That's a rule in the dmg. His buddy is using 5th. You need to have a sit down and explain to him that he cannot enforce that and still have you guys only playing martial characters. Plus... while he may not be in the best shape himself( you said he was an older guy ), there are plenty of people in their sixties who are in better shape than in their 20's.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Penny Arcade's Acquisitions Inc was the Critical Role of its day, and every version of D&D has always been the most popular its ever been relative to the previous one. It's what got me into it. When they swapped editions, it was pretty hilarious to watch Kurtz realise how one note the new cleric was in comparison.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Penny Arcade's Acquisitions Inc was the Critical Role of its day, and every version of D&D has always been the most popular its ever been relative to the previous one. it definitely got me to play D&D. i remember watching the first 5e one and they were all visibly let down and it was hilarious
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Oh I've been there before. I am preparing the story now.
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