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Roki B posted:Idiot workers again suck the dick of capital. Why won't it cum
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KiteAuraan posted:My choices are... Ireland and Spain. Welp, even with their problems both are a trade-up from the loving US. you have the choice to live in Spain or Ireland but choose to live in the US? what the gently caress is wrong with you??? Dublin owns and costs like 20 bucks a month to live there
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Aug 8, 2018 13:01
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we were just talking ancestry. Realistically the EU isn’t letting any of us honkies in unless we marry one of them.
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Calico Heart posted:you have the choice to live in Spain or Ireland but choose to live in the US? what the gently caress is wrong with you??? Dublin is cool but it's one of the most expensive cities in Europe op, wtf are you talking about.
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Europe doesn’t even want to let in real human beings, and you think they want you troglodytes?
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of course not! we are fantasizing!!!!!!
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What's Europe's stance on Canadians?
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Every country is different. Realtalk if you are at all interested in moving to Europe and don't have ancestry look up the Dutch American Friendship Treaty (DAFT) for the options if gives you (especially computer-toucher types) and Czechia's immigration program. If you do have ancestry you have a lot more options even if you don't qualify for citizenship directly.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:With your posting, and the way Israel is going, you're gonna be declared an antisemite and barred from Israel within a couple of years. I thought they suspended the whole "join the Euro" process? Like it won't work even on short-ish timescales unless they start doing transfer payments anyway, like how the US does it.
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Aug 8, 2018 14:02
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The EU has been very clear they would be willing to cancel Article 50 and thus Brexit if the UK asked nicely and accept the terms of the UK's current position unchanged. Doing so is widely considered political suicide by every UK politician so don't expect it to happen.
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Aug 8, 2018 14:11
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Can't get over how super cool it is that every politician with any power at all has a profit motive to do what's worst for their constituents.
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Saros posted:Every country is different. No two nations are not on fire.
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Calico Heart posted:you have the choice to live in Spain or Ireland but choose to live in the US? what the gently caress is wrong with you??? It's a nice enough city but it ain't cheap. A single-bedroom apartment in a non-poo poo part of town rents for around $1800-$2000 a month and you can easily double that figure if you need a second bedroom or other luxuries like living space.
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Calico Heart posted:Dublin owns and costs like 20 bucks a month to live there Is there another Dublin I don't know about
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bitmap posted:Is there another Dublin I don't know about Dublin Ohio is where Wendy's was founded
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Saros posted:The EU has been very clear they would be willing to cancel Article 50 and thus Brexit if the UK asked nicely and accept the terms of the UK's current position unchanged. Doing so is widely considered political suicide by every UK politician so don't expect it to happen. wouldn't it only be suicide for every conservative uk politician like may?
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Gringostar posted:wouldn't it only be suicide for every conservative uk politician like may? No, because making any kind of decision makes you own them. UK is getting us style antipolitics where the main goal is to never have a position on things that can be blamed on you.
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The Dipshit posted:I thought they suspended the whole "join the Euro" process? Like it won't work even on short-ish timescales unless they start doing transfer payments anyway, like how the US does it. Saros posted:The EU has been very clear they would be willing to cancel Article 50 and thus Brexit if the UK asked nicely and accept the terms of the UK's current position unchanged. Doing so is widely considered political suicide by every UK politician so don't expect it to happen.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:You seem to be implying that the Euro project actually has some thought behind it. Like, you're right about it not working, but the reason people aren't joining the Euro is because they don't want to - not because the Eurozone members don't want them to. The UK joining the Euro, even in its current sorry state, would be a major victory for the EU/Germany. Not only would it have defeated the EU's greatest critic, the Eurozone would also be bolstered by a large economy that's pretty ideologically and economically compatible with Germany's vision for Europe. Euroskeptics aside, but they're clearly being sidelined in this scenario. https://twitter.com/eucopresident/status/1016327348919193601 It totally depends on what happens, if May somehow manages to hold her government together possibly not but if it dissolves and there is a general election or second referendum all signs are that the EU would much prefer to retain the UK as a member over the alternatives. They're one of the biggest economies in the bloc and the third biggest contributor to the EU so without them there is a massive massive hole in the EU's budget. Gringostar posted:wouldn't it only be suicide for every conservative uk politician like may? Nobody really knows. There are signs that the share of the 'UKIP' vote was much less traditional leftwing voters than everyone thought but it's hard to tell what would happen if Labour came to power and cancelled brexit. For the Tory party there is a good chance it would split the party in two rendering them electorally irrelevant.
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Calico Heart posted:Dublin owns and costs like 20 bucks a month to live there I think you may be confusing Dublin, Georgia with Dublin, Eire. And while it does only cost ~20 bucks a month to live in Dublin, GA, I will tell you that it most assuredly does not "own" unless you are looking to score meth.
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Aug 8, 2018 16:26
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yeah isn't dublin's housing market exploding as fast as seattle's right now
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Saros posted:Doing so is widely considered political suicide by every UK politician Bananas. They're talking about food and medicine shortages. How loving dumb is the UK public that they'd crucify the person who kept that from happening?
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There are a sizeable portion including some cspam posters who refuse to believe anything bad will happen if we leave with no deal
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Here's a nice illustration of why so many Trump voters never realize that they're going to die under Trump https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1026985732336959488 e: ^^^ "No Deal" just means nothing happens and everything just stays the same, no harm no foul, right? Right?!?
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Aug 8, 2018 16:50
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important to note that a bunch fo government ministers and high profile politicians are also claiming that no deal is fine. Most of them its because they intend to make a killing as state entities get sold off as happened in russia. Others its because they're genuinely delusional
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Aug 8, 2018 16:52
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they won’t profit from those sales when comrade Corbyn renationalizes them all.
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ikanreed posted:No, because making any kind of decision makes you own them. do a hard brexit, wait until things start going to poo poo, rush back to EU before complete disaster. if may is smart she's already got a secret backroom deal with the globalists to facilitate this plan
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Jose posted:important to note that a bunch fo government ministers and high profile politicians are also claiming that no deal is fine. Most of them its because they intend to make a killing as state entities get sold off as happened in russia. Others its because they're genuinely delusional
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Jose posted:The best bit of this is that because a few steel industry people tell trump it's going great for them he doesn't see anything wrong its funny with the free market thought leaders melting down "this is crony capitalism!!!! this is not what conservatism and free markets are about!!!!" as if anyone actually gives a poo poo
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isn't it exactly what conservatism is normally about? its just that the republicans in the US and tories here long abandoned it in favour of neoliberalism
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Jose posted:isn't it exactly what conservatism is normally about? its just that the republicans in the US and tories here long abandoned it in favour of neoliberalism neoliberalism is also about crony capitalism and conservative policies, it's just got a failsafe built in where it will embrace strictly cultural things if they reach 70% approval
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neoliberalism is about doing crony capitalism (since in the real world there is no such thing as non-crony capitalism) but vehemently denying that it is exhibit: the editor of the shitrag the national review https://twitter.com/JonahNRO/status/1026450238792454144 e: heres some other jerkoff with a checkmark ive never heard of before https://twitter.com/BobBurg/status/1026868929535332352 Shear Modulus has issued a correction as of 18:21 on Aug 8, 2018 |
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You see this in a lot of Freeper/Breitbart commentators - there's good capitalism, which is the storybook version of meritocracy and succeeding through hard work and ability, and then there's crony capitalism, which is all about shady deals and connections and corruption. It's how they cope with being eaten alive by the rapacious economic model they chose to worship - anything bad that happens (to them, especially) is the fault of wicked, evil crony capitalism, which is a corrupted version of the pure, beneficent, just, prosperity-enhancing real capitalism. Nothing wrong with capitalism (which is good and perfect and the way and the light), it just sometimes gets hijacked by bad actors and self-dealers, like all those people who give money to the Democrat party! They're the real problem!
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FMguru posted:You see this in a lot of Freeper/Breitbart commentators - there's good capitalism, which is the storybook version of meritocracy and succeeding through hard work and ability, and then there's crony capitalism, which is all about shady deals and connections and corruption. It's how they cope with being eaten alive by the rapacious economic model they chose to worship - anything bad that happens (to them, especially) is the fault of wicked, evil crony capitalism, which is a corrupted version of the pure, beneficent, just, prosperity-enhancing real capitalism. Nothing wrong with capitalism (which is good and perfect and the way and the light), it just sometimes gets hijacked by bad actors and self-dealers, like all those people who give money to the Democrat party! They're the real problem! "how do you prevent good capitalism from becoming crony capitalism" is always a good question to ask people who believe this, to see how they square it without admitting that strongly enforced anti-capitalist regulation is the only thing preventing it
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FMguru posted:You see this in a lot of Freeper/Breitbart commentators - there's good capitalism, which is the storybook version of meritocracy and succeeding through hard work and ability, and then there's crony capitalism, which is all about shady deals and connections and corruption. It's how they cope with being eaten alive by the rapacious economic model they chose to worship - anything bad that happens (to them, especially) is the fault of wicked, evil crony capitalism, which is a corrupted version of the pure, beneficent, just, prosperity-enhancing real capitalism. Nothing wrong with capitalism (which is good and perfect and the way and the light), it just sometimes gets hijacked by bad actors and self-dealers, like all those people who give money to the Democrat party! They're the real problem! 
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:do a hard brexit, wait until things start going to poo poo, rush back to EU before complete disaster. that will result in a significantly worse deal than they have now. The EU would be idiotic* to let them renegotiate favorably after a hard brexit. the only way to maintain their exceptions & what not would be to cancel brexit entirely which will not happen. * i know, hellworld
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“crony capitalism” is literally just political economy.
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:we were just talking ancestry. Realistically the EU isn’t letting any of us honkies in unless we marry one of them. i literally cannot think of any descendants i have who weren't american. im stuck here, baby!!!!
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oh my god im dyin this is great
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This is very true and is the argument of anyone who supports a flawed system. The argument is that x isn't bad, it's that we are not adhering enough to the fundamentals. It has been corrupted somehow.
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