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xerxus posted an interesting post in the other thread about what precisely the writing “process” for the first season was like:xerxus posted:I posted this on another websight. I think it might explain some of the production history.
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MikeJF posted:They said it's not Mirror Culber either, I think. He will be a force ghost, duh. Also, klingons are getting hair, and redesign for season 2. theyre clearly listening to whoever was talking about hairless aliens pages back. https://out.reddit.com/t3_95f10t?ur..._name=desktop2x quote:If you really think about season one, and the Klingon story line, we had this incredibly ritualistic season with them. It was really about unification, and igniting the beacon, the Light of Kahless, and bringing him back… so we integrated that very much and thought a lot about that... TheMightyHandful fucked around with this message at 14:28 on Aug 8, 2018 |
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Aug 8, 2018 14:26
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Why did they decide to make the teasers in "Enterprise" so boring? Hoshi talks about a slug, cut to credits. Yep, that'll keep people interested.
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Aug 8, 2018 14:44
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egon_beeblebrox posted:Why did they decide to make the teasers in "Enterprise" so boring? Truth in advertising
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egon_beeblebrox posted:Why did they decide to make "Enterprise" so boring?
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egon_beeblebrox posted:Why did they decide to make "Enterprise"?
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egon_beeblebrox posted:Why did they decide to make the teasers in "Enterprise" so boring? Hoshi talks about a slug, cut to credits. Yep, that'll keep people interested.
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Aug 8, 2018 15:14
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egon_beeblebrox posted:Why did they decide to make the teasers in "Enterprise" so boring? Hoshi talks about a slug, cut to credits. Yep, that'll keep people interested.
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Aug 8, 2018 15:23
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I only watched season 1 of Enterprise, and the whole time I was asking myself "why aren't I watching Quantum Leap instead"
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Aug 8, 2018 15:24
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The Bloop posted:Why did they decide to make "Enterprise"? Because Voyager was over and UPN wanted to have another Star Trek show as a flagship. Unfortunately, they hired a boob and a guy who was--by his own admission--completely and utterly burned out on Trek to be the producers.
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Aug 8, 2018 15:47
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Timby posted:Because Voyager was over and UPN wanted to have another Star Trek show as a flagship. Unfortunately, they hired a boob and a guy who was--by his own admission--completely and utterly burned out on Trek to be the producers. Not to mention, UPN kinda dicked them over with their initial concept, which would have been a more serialized first season on Earth that leads to the Enterprise NX-01 being built and launched at the end of it. But the network execs of course responded with “no we want more space adventurrrrrrs!!!!”
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Aug 8, 2018 16:00
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Its a shame, theres so much I like about ENT, but the stuff they lead with just dragged everything down. Visually its probably my favorite Trek show. I absolutely love every ounce of the production design. The uniforms and their little NASA style mission badges, the pseudo circular corridors, the detail in every little panel on the wall, the cramped tiny cabins where it looks like even the captain's room he's ready to bang his head on struts overhead, and even small details like the little staircase suspended by chains to get into the shuttlecraft. The designers and builders really did a bang up job making it look good, but "old" compared to the rest of Trek. I even liked when the stories leaned on acknowledging it as a prequel in real ways, like the crew being gung ho bumbling fools who don't really know whats waiting for them or how to act. For everything that was great though, there were 5 "hey maybe I should call this the Reed alert?", or just once again doing rehashed TNG stories like nothing was different.
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Timby posted:Because Voyager was over and UPN wanted to have another Star Trek show as a flagship. Unfortunately, they hired a boob and a guy who was--by his own admission--completely and utterly burned out on Trek to be the producers. Oh I know. I was excited for it, but just like with DISCO, I wish it was a sequel not a prequel Tom Guycot posted:Its a shame, theres so much I like about ENT, but the stuff they lead with just dragged everything down. I totally agree with you other than "Reed alert" that was cute. Figuring out what automatic things should happen when is a valid prequel plot point. The real problem was Phase Pistols already in the pilot, photonic torpedoes, and worst of all Hull Plating is at 62%! Ughhh
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The Bloop posted:Oh I know. I was excited for it, but just like with DISCO, I wish it was a sequel not a prequel Hah, god hull plating was so stupid. It really was the worst when they just did what every other trek did because they didn't know how else to write a scene so they just threw in poo poo like hull plating instead of shields. Its especially sad because when they did give a drat there was great stuff like a reliance on shuttle craft and people being afraid of transporters which they kept throughout and had real plot impacts. When the ship got damaged as well, I liked seeing repair crews with welding masks and torches welding poo poo together. EDIT: I should say the idea of hull plating isn't stupid at all, and if there was some kind of ablative hull coating they had to synthesize and reapply or something when it burned through that might have been neat. But they just "polarized the hull" and treated it no different from shields. Tom Guycot fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Aug 8, 2018 |
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HD DAD posted:Not to mention, UPN kinda dicked them over with their initial concept, which would have been a more serialized first season on Earth that leads to the Enterprise NX-01 being built and launched at the end of it. But the network execs of course responded with “no we want more space adventurrrrrrs!!!!” And also forced them to put in the temporal cold war as a way of linking it to the post-TNG era, since they were terrified of the idea of a prequel.
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Aug 8, 2018 16:51
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And then Braga's ultimate idea that Future Guy talking to the Suliban was Archer himself. 
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Aug 8, 2018 17:11
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They needed to (and eventually didn’t) do something interesting with Archer. Having Future Guy turn out to be Archer would have been kind of stupid, but it certainly would have been interesting.
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Aug 8, 2018 17:30
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What if it were a previously unknown sibling as Spock?
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Timby posted:And then Braga's ultimate idea that Future Guy talking to the Suliban was Archer himself. Eh, that works as well as anything else they did with the Temporal Cold War arc. I dont know that it would have been a great idea, but they could have done something with it. The problem with the Temporal Cold War was that it was incoherent. Ok, so you had Daniels and the future Federation who were trying to protect the timeline, and you had the Sphere Builders, who got the Xindi to worship them as God's and tried to get them to destroy Earth to wipe out future Federation. So that's fine, but then you have Future Guy, who is generically altering the Suliban for some reason? And those aliens who teamed up with the Nazis? Making Future Guy Archer at least might have helped us figure out his motivatons.
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Aug 8, 2018 17:42
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The Nazi Aliens were the only good part of the Temporal Cold War.
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Epicurius posted:Eh, that works as well as anything else they did with the Temporal Cold War arc. I dont know that it would have been a great idea, but they could have done something with it. The problem with the Temporal Cold War was that it was incoherent. The other idea ENT's runners had tossed around was that Future Guy was a 29th century Romulan and would have been much more heavily involved in the Romulan War of the fifth season, and he had just been using the Suliban as catspaws to weaken the proto-Federation before the war.
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marktheando posted:The Nazi Aliens were the only good part of the Temporal Cold War. I hated the nazi aliens and I still agree with this.
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Alan_Shore posted:I only watched season 1 of Enterprise, and the whole time I was asking myself "why aren't I watching Quantum Leap instead" Because they didn't secure the music rights when they released Quantum Leap on DVD, making a lot of the episodes lose a pretty big emotional punch.
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So, oi foinally got to dat bringloidi episode, oi did, and shore an’ it’s a real poyle o’ crap, innit? Jaysus Croist an’ deedle-dee-dee potatoes! [exaggerated, Dom DeLuise-esque wheezing]
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Sure and begorrah, the guest star is one of the cutest in all of TNG tho
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Phylodox posted:So, oi foinally got to dat bringloidi episode, oi did, and shore an’ it’s a real poyle o’ crap, innit? Jaysus Croist an’ deedle-dee-dee potatoes! https://twitter.com/paul_haine/status/766601719631454208
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The Bloop posted:Oh I know. I was excited for it, but just like with DISCO, I wish it was a sequel not a prequel If they're gonna keep doing prequels I wish they'd at least put one somewhere in that huge gap between Undiscovered Country and TNG. Midquels, whatever.
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Oh man, everyone who was laughing at the Voyager episode previews earlier should watch the one for the ep where Seven gets abducted and her nanoprobes get stolen haha not really. Real classy stuff from UPN there.
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I was going to say it was the first genuinely bad Next Generation episode I’ve come across so far, but then I remembered the similarly bizarrely racist “Code of Honor” (which at least had that weird, lurid colour scheme so you could pretend it was an OG episode that got misplaced).
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Delsaber posted:If they're gonna keep doing prequels I wish they'd at least put one somewhere in that huge gap between Undiscovered Country and TNG. I have to admit I'd get a big kick out of a miniseries set on the last Constitution-class ship in service. What used to be the pride of the fleet is now worn down and badly in need of an overhaul but the captain and the chief engineer both know that if she needs anything more substantive than a self-sealing stem bolt, Starfleet will instantly decommission her, so they bust their asses and haggle and hustle whatever parts they need to keep the ship running. The miniseries doesn't end with the ship getting trashed in a firefight, but she does get to save the day one last time before they get the call: she's being decommissioned anyway so that Starfleet can strip her for parts to keep the Constellation production line running after the nacelle factory fucks up and has a backlog or something. As she approaches spacedock the newly-commissioned USS Ambassador passes by and renders honors one last time to the grand old lady of the fleet.
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Phylodox posted:I was going to say it was the first genuinely bad Next Generation episode I’ve come across so far, but then I remembered the similarly bizarrely racist “Code of Honor” (which at least had that weird, lurid colour scheme so you could pretend it was an OG episode that got misplaced). The best bit is when Riker is heading off with the hot Irish lady and Picard just gives a knowing look of "Oh, that Riker! Always shagging!"
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WampaLord posted:The best bit is when Riker is heading off with the hot Irish lady and Picard just gives a knowing look of "Oh, that Riker! Always shagging!" Not as good as when Yar reveals she "of course" wants to gently caress the man who abducted her because women and power amirite?
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Kibayasu posted:Not as good as when Yar reveals she "of course" wants to gently caress the man who abducted her because women and power amirite? Basically everything “Up The Long Ladder” does badly, “Code of Honor” does worse. At least the bringloidi didn’t look like a 19th century Englishman’s idea of an African tribesman had a baby with a Sprite commercial circa 1987.
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Post more of the promos they’re incredible Not in a good way, mind you
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I have to admit I'd get a big kick out of a miniseries set on the last Constitution-class ship in service. What used to be the pride of the fleet is now worn down and badly in need of an overhaul but the captain and the chief engineer both know that if she needs anything more substantive than a self-sealing stem bolt, Starfleet will instantly decommission her, so they bust their asses and haggle and hustle whatever parts they need to keep the ship running. Get this person a two-parter time travel episode, stat.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I have to admit I'd get a big kick out of a miniseries set on the last Constitution-class ship in service. What used to be the pride of the fleet is now worn down and badly in need of an overhaul but the captain and the chief engineer both know that if she needs anything more substantive than a self-sealing stem bolt, Starfleet will instantly decommission her, so they bust their asses and haggle and hustle whatever parts they need to keep the ship running. So ... the BSG remake? 
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More of my favourite terrible UPN Voyager promos. Basically any episode that's good, they make look terrible, and any episode that references sex is non-stop porno. Here's the Voyager "Seven gets raped" Retrospect episode promo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrmYThAzARg The hilarious promo for Counterpoint where Janeway has to hide telepaths. The ending narration is gold. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ_LOM1rAv8 The Doctor takes over Seven's body. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VsjEjddL8w Living Witness where The Doctor ends up in a museum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toTRQXMoh3c B'Elanna goes through Pon Farr. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eya681g3f3o Doc tries to teach Seven how to date. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjYTGBuLMAw
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Oh, holy poo poo, babby Diedrich Bader! 
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Timby posted:So ... the BSG remake? Sure, but without the apocalyptic end of civilization and crew of failures and misfits.
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If we are throwing out show ideas, why not Down Periscope in space for the next Star Trek/star trek parody thing? Basically what the Orville should have been. A bunch of total fuckups who forrest gump their way to victory, with their rivals being a not-tng crew of the best of the best, and still manage to win in increasingly stupid ways. Like the A-team of the tng crew try standard negotiation tactics, but Lt. Fuckup decided to show these people the power of cocaine and now they are part of the federation becuase if they have cocaine, what other wonders could they possess.
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