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MikeJF posted:I remember back in the day they said they were looking at classic cars for inspiration for discovery. *Mad Men theme but Don Draper is falling through PADDs and space stations*
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Minidust posted:Cliff Eidelman has a resume that's all over the place now that I look him up... mostly a hodgepodge of lighthearted mid-'90s PG-13 fare. Wasn't this guy supposedly a last-minute substitute for James Horner? Nick Meyer originally asked both Horner and Goldsmith to return, but Horner wasn't interested and Goldsmith was unhappy with The Final Frontier. Meyer then wanted to use Holst's "The Planets" to score the movie. However, Meyer being Meyer, he insisted on licensing one particular recording, and the movie didn't have the budget to license it, so he hired Cliff Eidelman and told him to just rip off "The Planets."
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Timby posted:Nick Meyer originally asked both Horner and Goldsmith to return, but Horner wasn't interested and Goldsmith was unhappy with The Final Frontier. Meyer then wanted to use Holst's "The Planets" to score the movie. However, Meyer being Meyer, he insisted on licensing one particular recording, and the movie didn't have the budget to license it, so he hired Cliff Eidelman and told him to just rip off "The Planets."
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Last night I watched Lower Decks and Preemptive Strike, which are two of the TNG season 7 episodes I have the fondest memories of. I hadn’t really remembered how similar they are in outline: a young female Bajoran junior officer is pressured by Picard into accepting a dangerous assignment from which she does not in the event return, leaving Picard to sit there stone-facedly agonizing over his choice. But much as I love Ro’s character, Lower Decks works much better as an episode. Its concept is simply one of the strongest in the whole show and could practically have worked as the basis for its own series. A modern Star Trek show could take a great deal of inspiration from here. Sito’s actress may not have been the very greatest but within two nonconcurrent episodes they manage to make her unseen, inglorious death a huge gut punch. I had forgotten how well Worf comes off in this episode also, he’s like the perfect mentor. His commanders like to grumble about him and his fellow officers don’t always get along with him, but I bet Worf’s subordinates would take a bullet for him. Or anyone, but that’s because they’re nameless_security_personnel. Except for this episode. The only place where it falls flat is the subplot about Crusher & Ogawa geeking out over Ogawa’s man issues. Who cares? Ro’s abandonment of Starfleet hurts in its own way, but not exactly in a dramatically successful way either. What hurts is that nobody ever followed up on or concluded this plot (except licensed fanfic blah blah blah she’s captain of DS9 now!!!) and nobody ever will because the show for which the Maquis were created ignored them completely for 5/7 seasons and dismissed them with a “they all died offscreen lol w/e” halfway through.  The best scene in this show is when Ro and Picard meet up in the bar to discuss their nefarious spying plans in guise of a john seeking a prostitute. Just sharp writing and acting throughout, with its uncomfortable subtext (there’s a good bit of it throughout the episode tbh) that Picard is closer to Ro than he should be. Good episodes.
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Picard hosed up. Ro would still be in Starfleet if he hasn't pushed her away and talked about how he'd send her to prison for life if she betrayed him. If he instead had offered some encouraging words and appreciated her difficult position but assured her he believed in her, she would have caught those Maquis instead of joining them
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Sir Lemming posted:Also re: having no money in the Federation, I feel like 90% of our evidence of that is Kirk's line to the '80s Earth lady in Star Trek IV. (I'm tired and can't remember her name.) Even in early TNG, the most Roddenberry-hippie-utopia of all Trek, they don't seem totally devoid of money. (I can't remember specific examples but I could swear they've referenced having some form of money.) Kirk's line might be outdated, oversimplified for the sake of an '80s lady, or just plain inaccurate because of whoever wrote it. DS9, In the Cards, Jake and Nog arguing about the baseball card. "If you don't need money, you don't need mine." It's always seemed pretty clear to me that by the 23rd century the Federation doesn't use money internally, but that there are at least some societies who still use money and there is some unexplained economic arrangement to enable the Federation and its citizens to use money when dealing with them. (This neatly covers off things like Dr Crusher in Encounter at Farpoint asking the Bandii dude to "charge" the fabric to her.)
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MikeJF posted:I remember back in the day they said they were looking at classic cars for inspiration for discovery. *turns into cartoon wolf* AWoooooooooGA!
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Sir Lemming posted:Also re: having no money in the Federation, I feel like 90% of our evidence of that is Kirk's line to the '80s Earth lady in Star Trek IV. (I'm tired and can't remember her name.) Even in early TNG, the most Roddenberry-hippie-utopia of all Trek, they don't seem totally devoid of money. (I can't remember specific examples but I could swear they've referenced having some form of money.) Kirk's line might be outdated, oversimplified for the sake of an '80s lady, or just plain inaccurate because of whoever wrote it. Don't they tell the 80s business guy that they don't use money anymore in that one TNG episode?
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WampaLord posted:Don't they tell the 80s business guy that they don't use money anymore in that one TNG episode? This just further fuels my new theory that it's something they tell '80s people to try to impress them during time travel hijinx
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Sir Lemming posted:This just further fuels my new theory that it's something they tell '80s people to try to impress them during time travel hijinx "Is he gone?" *breaks out all the fat stacks of Federations dollars* "Alright lads, POKER TIME!"
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DS9 also has Jake specifically telling Nog the Federation doesn't use money. I think Picard also says something like that to Lily in First Contact. edit: hurf blurf beaten
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:Picard hosed up. Ro would still be in Starfleet if he hasn't pushed her away and talked about how he'd send her to prison for life if she betrayed him. If he instead had offered some encouraging words and appreciated her difficult position but assured her he believed in her, she would have caught those Maquis instead of joining them Yeah, either that or he should have just pulled her from the mission.
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Some love for the best doctor https://twitter.com/bilrac/status/1027198064728186880?s=19
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Yeah, either that or he should have just pulled her from the mission. I think there’s an argument to be made that he hosed up both times. Harder to say about “Lower Decks” since what went wrong in the end is unknowable but it sure doesn’t seem like sending Sito on that trip accomplished anything apart from getting her dead. We don’t even know if the Cardie agent survived. It ends up looking an awful lot like Picard held a past sin over her head until he pressured her into volunteering for a suicide mission.
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MikeJF posted:I remember back in the day they said they were looking at classic cars for inspiration for discovery. Is there anywhere you can buy this as a poster? I would love the poo poo out of that on my wall.
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:Some love for the best doctor This leaves out the next part where he tells Khan how to make sure to get the big artery.
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The_Doctor posted:Piggy-backing on the freedom of movement thing, I wonder how many Fed citizens just never stop moving? Like, you've got over 8000 light years of space to wander around in and sight-see, and only one lifetime to do it in (don't @ me, trill), and apparently no money being involved. I'd constantly be travelling to see new things. A week or so here for this festival, a month at this delightful fishing village, a week at this frozen outpost, etc. Given how insanely dangerous space travel seems to be, most people are likely going to stay on paradise Earth. A.I. Borgland Corp posted:Some love for the best doctor That whole scene is rad. He continues from there, "It would be most effective to cut the carotid artery," and then after Khan compliments him on his balls of steel, he's just like "I was only trying to avoid an argument."
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Zurui posted:Is there anywhere you can buy this as a poster? I would love the poo poo out of that on my wall. Here you go, click through on the link under the image. The bridge poster is also nice.
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Timby posted:Nick Meyer originally asked both Horner and Goldsmith to return, but Horner wasn't interested and Goldsmith was unhappy with The Final Frontier. Meyer then wanted to use Holst's "The Planets" to score the movie. However, Meyer being Meyer, he insisted on licensing one particular recording, and the movie didn't have the budget to license it, so he hired Cliff Eidelman and told him to just rip off "The Planets." They could have just contacted Leonard Rosenman and had him recycle his McNally fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Aug 9, 2018 |
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Leonard Rosenman getting an Academy Award nomination for his Star Trek IV score (and Don Peterman for cinematography) is one of those facts of life that makes me go  every time I think of it.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:DS9 also has Jake specifically telling Nog the Federation doesn't use money. I think Picard also says something like that to Lily in First Contact. However this is purely for the sake of balancing supply shipments and power output and whatever and from the consumer end there is nothing outside of maybe some limited rationing of explicitly scarce things like starship travel. The concept of money isn't like, erased from the Federation internally; Jake clearly knows exactly what money is and what it would be for. As for immigration and population: The Federation is still pretty historically recent and Earth, for instance, had a huge burndown of the population, while also ending up with something resembling Western style living standards for the general population afterwards. Those living conditions tend to lead to below-replacement-level reproduction in our present circumstances. I imagine it might instead become gradual increase once you take the limiters of work and cash off, because there will be some people who straight up enjoy having huge families. The only thing that doesn't make sense to me is the "Atlantis" project in TNG. But that can just be a failure of imagination on the part of the show writers. Maybe "Atlantis" is another Yorktown.
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The post scarcity doesn't make any sense in Trek. Like in the Ensign Ro episode, Picard orders the crew to install some replicators for the Maquis-- but where do the materials for those come from? Couldn't you just replicate a whole ship? Why would you need ships then? Something like Neil Stephenson's Diamond Age answers this a bit better than Trek-- they have matter reconstitution much like replicators, but you pay for the 'feed' of the matter coming in. Shittier/poorer people have tiny feeds that can just trickle base matter in, big replicators have huge feeds. The feed is what matters, not the replicator itself. And you can't just ask it to make you a gun without having permission, but cheaper poo poo is subsidized by having baked-in advertising on it as its being replicated or such.
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jeeves posted:Couldn't you just replicate a whole ship? Why would you need ships then? I remember a quote in the TNG Technical Manual that says they can replicate the parts, but can’t replicate whole ships. Because it would make the Federation appear too powerful - ‘If you could replicate a ship with a push of a button, you wouldn’t need to’.
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:Given how insanely dangerous space travel seems to be, most people are likely going to stay on paradise Earth. It’s a great scene. Rewatching Space Seed a few months ago whilst following along with the Rachel Watches Star Trek podcast I noticed a nice touch I’d missed before - from when he’s pretending to be unconscious throughout the entire scalpel to the throat scene, Khan’s heartbeat on the audible sickbay monitor doesn’t change from the same, steady beat.
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Nah, Zoidberg is funny and he eventually finds love.
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I wouldn’t say DS9 “dismantles the Federation’s socialist utopia by exposing its colonialist tendencies and neoliberal obsession with the status quo”. DS9 is secure enough in its utopian aspirations that it’s willing to challenge them. This makes it stronger, not weaker. Of course it doesn’t have all the answers of how such a utopia would work - if it did then we’d already have one. And I don’t see how the show calls the Federation colonialist, unless they’re suggesting that the Maquis are right, in which case lol. Comrade Fakename fucked around with this message at 03:53 on Aug 10, 2018 |
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Windows 98 posted:Harry Kim, the Zoidberg of Voyager? He's more competent than Zoidberg, but definitely in the "All of our friends are here...and also Zoidberg!" kind of way.
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Poor Zoidberg, he wss an excellent exotic alien surgeon.
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I usually hate memes, but I love this
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Peachfart posted:I usually hate memes, but I love this Hating memes is a meme
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Life is but a meme
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"But Captain...life is not a meme."
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I protest! I am NOT a memey man!
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Bookmans had something neat (yet expensive) tonight. 
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For those of you who enjoy a bit of brexit:mehall posted:Google decided I wanted to read this, so you all should suffer too.
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Star Trek ASMR Video of the Day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlWZ2n1NVpY
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