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She's also said she won't vote for Pelosi as speaker, so they can't use that as a boogeyman either. It's a shame that republicans don't believe in evolution, because this is evolution in action. The antibiotic resistant tuberculosis of leftist politics, brought about because of such a hostile environment.
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Pelosi really needs to just step aside for the good of the party at this point.
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psydude posted:Pelosi really needs to just step aside for the good of the party at this point. Along w Feinstein
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Aug 10, 2018 13:14
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While I don't necessarily want term limits (it'll never pass anyway) there's a lot to be said about how many old fuckers there are in congress. Like 80 years should be the cutoff, meaning 74 for the Senate and 78 for the house. Not that it would have mattered since it's Orrin-loving-Hatch, but when he downplayed some economic thing (I forgot what, it was like 4 months ago / 80 years in TRUMP dimension) by saying he worked as a janitor to pay for law school I wanted to scream. Yes yes he would have just said something else. So many tech related things are failing to be properly regulated because three quarters of congress were adults before the invention of the goddamn transistor. We don't have to go all Logan's Run on things, but there needs to be way less people making decisions that have considerable impact on the future when they won't even be alive to see it.
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psydude posted:Pelosi really needs to just step aside for the good of the party at this point. Yup, that will stop the Republicans from tarring Democratic candidates with a boogeyman. And it sure won't be giving in to right wingers and removing a strong, experienced female leader.
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psydude posted:Pelosi really needs to just step aside for the good of the party at this point. It doesn't really matter though, whoever takes her place will be slotted into the same ads. Its the messaging machine, not the message thats the issue.
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For real, Pelosi despite all her faults, was an incredibly effective speaker. Why the gently caress else do you think the GOP constantly uses her as a bogeyman? You can certainly make the argument now that if/when the dems regain the majority, she should let someone else be speaker, but stop pretending that if she steps aside or whatever, republicans won't find another bogeyman.
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Pelosi needs to step aside because she represents one of the richest congressional districts in the country, has lovely opinions, and has failed to adapt to the changes in the country. She's a lovely centrist obsessed with decorum, just like Schumer. She is most assuredly a good speaker in the sense that she can control the caucus and such. I say this as a former lovely centrist democrat that was forced to evolve my views in light of the last two years. https://twitter.com/internethippo/status/881161169469403137
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Then primary her from the left
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Just as soon as we pass campaign finance laws that have actual teeth and overturn Citizens United.
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hobbesmaster posted:It doesn't really matter though, whoever takes her place will be slotted into the same ads. Its the messaging machine, not the message thats the issue. I dunno, at this point they're so far up their own assholes with "deep state" paranoia I can see them just keep right on trucking with the exact same stuff. "We defeated the great Satan but now things are more dangerous than ever" cult logic.
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Vasudus posted:Pelosi needs to step aside because she represents one of the richest congressional districts in the country, has lovely opinions, and has failed to adapt to the changes in the country. She's a lovely centrist obsessed with decorum, just like Schumer. She is most assuredly a good speaker in the sense that she can control the caucus and such. This. hobbesmaster posted:Then primary her from the left That's placing the onus on a single district. The speaker of the house represents the entirety of the house of representatives, so they should be elected by the entire body of the house of representatives. Same goes with the minority and majority leader. In other words, it's on Dems to replace her, not Pelosi's district. psydude fucked around with this message at 13:48 on Aug 10, 2018 |
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Pelosi and Schumer represent everything wrong with the Democrats but hey I guess that's ok because they uh okay nevermind they're poo poo op
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Vasudus posted:Pelosi needs to step aside because she represents one of the richest congressional districts in the country, has lovely opinions, and has failed to adapt to the changes in the country. She's a lovely centrist obsessed with decorum, just like Schumer. She is most assuredly a good speaker in the sense that she can control the caucus and such. Which is literally the job of the speaker of the House. Ideological purity is not the job of the Speaker of the House which is why Paul Ryan is so bad at it. He's a Randroid dream come true, but he can't control his own caucus so he was a bad choice for the Republicans.
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So, question. Why is Pelosi so wrong? I read the Wikipedia page on her views and voting record, and nothing seems wrong with it. She was against the war in Iraq and generally anti-war, pro federal minimum wage act, pro abortion, pro civil rights for lgbtq, pro weed and instrumental in getting the ACA passed.
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Stultus Maximus posted:Which is literally the job of the speaker of the House. Ideological purity is not the job of the Speaker of the House which is why Paul Ryan is so bad at it. He's a Randroid dream come true, but he can't control his own caucus so he was a bad choice for the Republicans. Yep. Also again, Pelosi was fine with getting the public option into the house bill, it was only pulled out because Liberman is a turd and wouldn't let the senate vote on that version. For real, I get that if you want to argue that maybe Dems shouldn't elect her as speaker if she's still in her seat the next time they gain a majority, that's fine, but pretending that her leaving office or not being speaker suddenly solves the problem with GOP messaging is pants on the head retarded. You guys know they just find something else to harp about.
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Dance Officer posted:So, question. Why is Pelosi so wrong? I read the Wikipedia page on her views and voting record, and nothing seems wrong with it. She was against the war in Iraq and generally anti-war, pro federal minimum wage act, pro abortion, pro civil rights for lgbtq, pro weed and instrumental in getting the ACA passed. She’s an old broad. Very threatening to virile masculinity.
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Dance Officer posted:So, question. Why is Pelosi so wrong? I read the Wikipedia page on her views and voting record, and nothing seems wrong with it. She was against the war in Iraq and generally anti-war, pro federal minimum wage act, pro abortion, pro civil rights for lgbtq, pro weed and instrumental in getting the ACA passed. She said something to the effect of "we're capitalists, deal with it." On the other hand, I'm pretty sure she, schumer, and a bunch of other party elders are craven and power-seeking enough to latch onto a leftward trend if it looked enough like that was the winning side.
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FAUXTON posted:She said something to the effect of "we're capitalists, deal with it." They will if they get enough donations from not from not big corporations they will otherwise they will still support wall st/silicon valley
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There was also the thing recently with Maxine Waters where Pelosi thought it was just horrific that politicians would be politely asked to leave a restaurant for aggressively defending concentration camps.
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https://twitter.com/smotus/status/1027888880450785282?s=20 Pelosi isn’t well liked but she’s still more popular than the turtle man.
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The thing about Pelosi is... who would replace her? Being speaker requires the ability to twist and cajole people into voting for things they don't necessarily want to vote for, utilizing both personal and professional relationships. The reason why Pelosi is so effective is because she's been there for so long, and has the relationships, experience, and force of personality to control her caucus with an iron fist. And the thing is, she'll defer to the President. If the Dems win the House and Presidency in 2020, it doesn't matter what she personally believes-whatever policies the president decides to implement, she'll whip her caucus to vote for it. She may not personally agree with or have proposed policies like Medicare for All or abolishing ICE, but she's not going to refuse to allow those bills to see the floor. They'll get voted on, and she'll support them and stump for them, because that's her job as Speaker of the House-and it's a job she was drat good at.
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mlmp08 posted:https://twitter.com/smotus/status/1027888880450785282?s=20 Turtle man gets results
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Proud Christian Mom posted:Turtle man gets results As did Pelosi, Reid, and Boehner. Ryan has issues getting poo poo done, and it's not because Democratic voters can't stand him.
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I propose the Skeletor index: we put your congressional headshot through facial matching software with a picture of Skeletor. If they match, you have to retire.
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Handsome Ralph posted:As did Pelosi, Reid, and FTFY. Boehner had the same problem as Ryan has now, he was just more vocal/out there about it. He was also the first to have to deal with the Freedom Caucus non-sense. Pelosi is an effective leader which means she makes compromises and is always keeping her entire caucus in mind when she speaks publicly. Usually, that translates to providing cover for vulnerable Democrats which frustrates the base (gently caress squishy Democrats). It's also meant she's had to be led by the base more towards the left at times, which yeah, more frustrating. And on top of all that, there's a real lack of grooming (or appearing to) the next generation of young leaders in Congress/the Party which further contributes to an (fairly or unfairly) image of holding onto power past her perceived prime. She still presided over one of the most productive Congresses in modern memory AND has kept the Democrats in nearly complete lock step in opposition to Republicans. And that's in addition to her being an extremely effective and enormous fundraiser for other Democrats behind the scenes (which is where her real power in the caucus comes from). I think she's still the one we'd probably want leading a Democratic majority but it'd go along way to see her address the above issues (give public voice and take direction from the Democratic base and bring the next generation along in leadership).
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/us-judge-deportation-attorney-general-sessions-contempt-1.4780391CBC posted:The Department of Homeland Security was bringing the pair back to the United States on Thursday after the plane landed in El Salvador. The mother and daughter did not disembark in the Central American country.  is this real life?
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Turkey's economy is competing with Argentina's for the title of most unstable economy in a developed country. The currency dropped 20% today after Trump went issued another decree by tweet increasing the tariffs against Turkish steel and aluminum. And Erdogan's dumb spending spree and fiscal policy isn't helping matters, either. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/10/business/turkey-erdogan-economy-lira.html
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psydude posted:Turkey's economy is competing with Argentina's for the title of most unstable economy in a developed country. The currency dropped 20% today after Trump went issued another decree by tweet increasing the tariffs against Turkish steel and aluminum. And Erdogan's dumb spending spree and fiscal policy isn't helping matters, either. Our stable allies! One of you law talkers want to tell me what this means? https://twitter.com/TPM/status/1027940357064065025
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Good thing we sold Turkey F-35s.
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Stultus Maximus posted:Our stable allies! Mueller had recently requested that part of the trial remain closed and in secret so as to not publicly disclose evidence that he'd rather not make public at this time (related to a future indictment possibly). My guess it's in relation to that, but I'll wait for Popehat's take. EDIT:  https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1027944199050514432
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Also in the news, the Taliban are about to capture Ghazni. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/10/...WT.nav=top-news
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4 people shot dead in Fredericton, New Brunswick. Two were police and they captured the suspect I think, but he might be in critical condition? https://twitter.com/CBCAlerts/status/1027910545842872320?s=19
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Oh hey Omorosa's book talks about Trump dropping the n-word repeatedly during Apprentice tapings
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In lesser known primaries around the country, Republicans of Clay County Missouri (northern KC metro area) nominated this guy:quote:On his Monday morning radio show, Steve West promotes fanatical conspiracies about “Jewish cabals” that are “harvesting baby parts” through Planned Parenthood, that torture and molest children and that run the Republican Party. Four way primary race and he won easily.
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Sheriff Joe sure has weird ideas about golden showers and handjobs. https://twitter.com/alweaver22/status/1027955948164399105
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