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yeah i was arguing against the other person's position of "paper books are completely purposeless because everybody in the entire world can just use an ereader, duh"
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Aug 10, 2018 16:41
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Or you know, maybe I want to give books to a small child because I don't want them think the world is all contained in a screen.
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InediblePenguin posted:yeah i was arguing against the other person's position of "paper books are completely purposeless because everybody in the entire world can just use an ereader, duh" Which like, to be clear, I agree with - if we could somehow get everyone an ebook reader (like a good epaper one, so the battery lasts months) and ebooks didn't have all these extra bullshit limitations bolted on to them for dumb reasons, it'd be a great idea to stop using all the paper and ink and fuel to ship the heavy physical copies all over the place, yeah 
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Bonzo posted:Or you know, maybe I want to give books to a small child because I don't want them think the world is all contained in a screen. I'm not sure if the kid would care or appreciate the point at all, since they don't have the "remembers the world before the internet consumed everything" reference point most of us do e: Apparently I really like the shruggy guy
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ate all the Oreos posted:Which like, to be clear, I agree with - if we could somehow get everyone an ebook reader (like a good epaper one, so the battery lasts months) and ebooks didn't have all these extra bullshit limitations bolted on to them for dumb reasons, it'd be a great idea to stop using all the paper and ink and fuel to ship the heavy physical copies all over the place, yeah Speaking as a librarian, ebooks are also more expensive than paperbacks for the library to buy and we have much less control over what gets added to the collection. "Buying" ebooks for a library is actually more along the lines of renting access to a database of ebooks whose terms of use, and what books are in a given database, we have no control over. Physical books are cheaper, once we buy them we actually own them, and we have much greater control over what to buy. It's actually really loving hard to go "We want to buy X specific book as an ebook for our collection." With physical books, it's as easy as booting up Amazon. The publishing industry is a racket.
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Definitely good for homeless and poor people to have to charge their books
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some fat dude posted:Bragging about your rich parents for that social justice cred hell yeah If nothing else, it seems fairly unlikely that she could make it into the writing industry, given the current glut of social justice writers, without mommy and daddy's social network greasing the way.
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Aug 10, 2018 17:14
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some fat dude posted:Bragging about your rich parents for that social justice cred hell yeah Oh yeah I think we can all agree that part's totally bullshit, I just don't think that's quite what this post was getting at: Proposition Castle posted:How it happened? Two successful parents don't guarantee a child that'll make good decisions.
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Aug 10, 2018 17:27
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 I've never seen one of these in person and I frequent a lot of public parks. I'm not convinced they aren't art pieces.
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Aug 10, 2018 17:28
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Kazak posted:
Get lost in a book while the timer runs out....
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ate all the Oreos posted:I'm not sure if the kid would care or appreciate the point at all, since they don't have the "remembers the world before the internet consumed everything" reference point most of us do which is why I teach mine that there is a whole world out there that has nothing to do with and is not connected to the Internet.
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Aug 10, 2018 17:53
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Kazak posted:
Tragic Fingers
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Bonzo posted:which is why I teach mine that there is a whole world out there that has nothing to do with and is not connected to the Internet. Resistance is futile.
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The Bloop posted:Definitely good for homeless and poor people to have to charge their books Going back to libraries that the poor and homeless use. They typically have power sockets.
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Len posted:Going back to libraries that the poor and homeless use. They typically have power sockets. Yeah there's places for homeless people to charge things at libraries and elsewhere (sometimes even stations set up specifically for that reason), since like I said many of them have phones now, but yeah that's why I mentioned the epaper readers since they have really long battery lives anyway.
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Strudel Man posted:That's exactly what it is, yes. A German guy, Fabian Brunsing, made it. Normal benches just have low armrests or bumps to keep people from laying down on them, much less expensive to maintain 
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Len posted:Going back to libraries that the poor and homeless use. They typically have power sockets. I Don't feel like I maybe should even stay engaged with this, but they library might be miles from where they can safely sleep, across unsafe streets in inclement weather. Also charging ports are finite and you may need to babysit it to make sure it isn't stolen. It's just... an incredibly privileged position to not even see how these things are incredibly burdensome
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ate all the Oreos posted:Normal benches just have low armrests or bumps to keep people from laying down on them, much less expensive to maintain And way less likely someone will just pour concrete over it to cover up the points.
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ate all the Oreos posted:The CEO at my last job had me come over and set up his home network at his rich guy mansion and fix stuff sometimes (which he paid me to do as a contractor so I went to a garage sale for a big tech guy's home after he moved. lots of generic hypercapitalist bullshit and then a few sad "help me I want to die" books with pages dog-eared and tear stains belonging to the wife. i actually bought the copy of "walking on eggshells" and I keep it as an important reminder. you know I think I actually wrote this up in my diary. I know the writing style is  but it's so I can recall what I saw exactly and play it back for myself more easily.doodoodoo let me see pick diary excerpt posted:I went through their bookshelves. Most of the books had never been read. I could tell the books which had been read by the wear patterns on the books. Upstairs, near the children's bedrooms, there were bookshelves filled with children’s books on the bottom levels. On the top levels there were mostly children’s books interspersed with books about helping relationships. Some were about “love languages”. There was one I recognized. That book was “Walking on Eggshells: Taking Your Life Back when Someone You Care About has Borderline Personality Disorder” by Dr. Paul Mason. I have seen this book before. I opened this book, and it opened to “Chapter 8: Creating a Safety Plan”. There were uneven circles on the pages where the paper was crinkled from droplets which I assume were tears. I picked up that book and I bought it. I still have this book. The bookmark to that page is a laminated piece of scrap with what I think is coding shorthand on it. That chapter is about escaping from someone when you are afraid for your life, and she was reading it. There is a woman who had a wealthy husband, and there is no indication that he “beat” her. But he did collect weapons and she was afraid that he would murder her.
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Pick posted:I went to a garage sale for a big tech guy's home after he moved. lots of generic hypercapitalist bullshit and then a few sad "help me I want to die" books with pages dog-eared and tear stains belonging to the wife. i actually bought the copy of "walking on eggshells" and I keep it as an important reminder. I think it's cool that you keep a diary that includes a snapshot into quiet suburban hell.
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I just realized that sounded sarcastic because this is the internet but I'm being earnest, keeping a journal like that is a neat hobby (I guess that's what I'd call it?) and that's a neat if sad story to have written in it
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ate all the Oreos posted:I just realized that sounded sarcastic because this is the internet but I'm being earnest, keeping a journal like that is a neat hobby (I guess that's what I'd call it?) and that's a neat if sad story to have written in it There's actually wayyyy more but it's a lot too identifiable and since the wife's innocent in it all (and I looked into her, she'd given up a really prestigious and good-for-the-world career to be this guy's housewife) I decided not to post it but yeah it was earth-shatteringly depressing.
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ate all the Oreos posted:I think it's cool that you keep a diary that includes a snapshot into quiet suburban hell. I kinda want to read more of Pick's diary now 
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Kazak posted:
is this loss
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Pick posted:There's actually wayyyy more but it's a lot too identifiable and since the wife's innocent in it all (and I looked into her, she'd given up a really prestigious and good-for-the-world career to be this guy's housewife) I decided not to post it but yeah it was earth-shatteringly depressing. Unfortunately for her she too will get the guillotine
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I take really good care of my books and rarely reread so we can't rule out that he read everything once and then Ayn Rand a hundred times.
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Pick posted:I went to a garage sale for a big tech guy's home after he moved. lots of generic hypercapitalist bullshit and then a few sad "help me I want to die" books with pages dog-eared and tear stains belonging to the wife. i actually bought the copy of "walking on eggshells" and I keep it as an important reminder. This but sounds like a melodramatic piece of fiction. It could be true but I just can't make myself believe it.
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Ramc posted:is this loss
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ate all the Oreos posted:Oh yeah I think we can all agree that part's totally bullshit, I just don't think that's quite what this post was getting at: ah i misunderstood that part Kazak posted:
Apparently the original was an art piece. According to this website the design was stolen by china for actual use in a park. https://metro.co.uk/2010/08/16/retractable-spikes-installed-on-park-benches-to-deter-lazy-bums-480903/
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Ramc posted:is this loss Of testicles, possibly.
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Outrail posted:This but sounds like a melodramatic piece of fiction. It could be true but I just can't make myself believe it. I’ve posted pics of the book before I’ll see if I can find it, it happened last summer. I dunno man, a lot of people cry more than you think. I took other photos of the sale on my phone also but not as many as I should have.
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Outrail posted:This but sounds like a melodramatic piece of fiction. It could be true but I just can't make myself believe it. I don't know man it fits really well with the dead-inside wife of my old CEO that I mentioned so it seems plausible to me. Then again most of the poo poo that happened at that company was pretty unbelievably ridiculous and hosed. For example his ex-wife still worked at the company, as the head of one department, while his new wife was the head of sales (previously she was a waitress). He'd make all the employees come over to his mansion periodically to ride around in his speedboats and generally pretend to be his friends since he didn't have more than like one friend outside of work. His weird gremlin-like brother would randomly show up sometimes, get drunk and sexually harass the lady employees. His other brother was the commander of American forces in Afghanistan until Obama personally fired him. This is all barely even scratching the surface of the insane bullshit that happened at that company.
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What’s funny is you can imagine him as the kind of guy uttterly dismissive and contemptuous of hallmark channel movies, completely unaware that he’s living in one Peoples lives are way more interesting than they initially appear
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Pick posted:I went to a garage sale for a big tech guy's home after he moved. lots of generic hypercapitalist bullshit and then a few sad "help me I want to die" books with pages dog-eared and tear stains belonging to the wife. i actually bought the copy of "walking on eggshells" and I keep it as an important reminder. And those heavy wear signs on "the fountainhead" were semen stains.
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Isn't 'working in retirement' an oxymoron. 'Can't afford to retire No choice'
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The Bloop posted:I Don't feel like I maybe should even stay engaged with this, but they library might be miles from where they can safely sleep, across unsafe streets in inclement weather. Well clearly they just need to sleep closer to the library safety be damned. BOOTSTRAP UP
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