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Al-Saqr posted:wonderful. lol isnt it funny how middle east despots are going to probably be the root cause of WW3
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Al-Saqr posted:wonderful. I don't know which is worse. The fact that this sounds like my internal monologue relative to me (which is so bad it's scary), or the fact that it sounds even remotely plausible for someone to say "everyone hates us" when us refers to, effectively, an entire region of the planet.
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E: yeah, wrong thread. Phone posting means sometimes it spits out a post into the wrong place.
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Aug 11, 2018 20:32
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FAUXTON posted:Hahahahaha the EM radiation sensitive lady has been walking around the whole time with a loving wireless mic and nobody noticed Uh wrong thread?
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Rigged Death Trap posted:lol isnt it funny how middle east despots are going to probably be the root cause of WW3 I really really hope a disasterous major regional war happens, it may be the only chance to finally kill off these fascist governments once and for all. If the only route to destroy the russian czar was WW1, then maybe the only route to kill off all the arab regimes would be a giant war that they'd loving get smashed in.
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Rigged Death Trap posted:lol isnt it funny how middle east despots are going to probably be the root cause of WW3 The only way I see this happening is if the US tries to annex all of the Mideast's oil fields + Venezuela's.
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Spacewolf posted:I don't know which is worse. Like most things in life, if you aren't actively looking out for yourself, no one else will be. Al-Saqr posted:I really really hope a disasterous major regional war happens, it may be the only chance to finally kill off these fascist governments once and for all. If the only route to destroy the russian czar was WW1, then maybe the only route to kill off all the arab regimes would be a giant war that they'd loving get smashed in. Yeah idk at this point what even breaks the stranglehold of military dictatorships. The gap in military technology now between protesters and armies has never been wider and it's effectively guys with sticks versus guys with tanks and drones and jets and helicopters with IR and the ability to intercept every radio/cell communication. Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Aug 11, 2018 |
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Aug 11, 2018 21:19
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The curse of the Middle East is that it has a lot of petroleum. The excites the greed of foreign powers, and corrupt dictatorships are the most convenient form of regime for them to exploit these resources with minimum investment and maximum profit.
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Cat Mattress posted:The curse of the Middle East is that it has a lot of petroleum. The excites the greed of foreign powers, and corrupt dictatorships are the most convenient form of regime for them to exploit these resources with minimum investment and maximum profit. Beyond that, global warming is going to completely gently caress the Middle East and Northern Africa. IMO there's not much long term hope for much of the region period, and my advice to anyone who can would be to gtfo before the prospect of climate refugees empower nativists in more fortunate parts of the world to restrict immigration even more.
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Al-Saqr posted:I really really hope a disasterous major regional war happens, it may be the only chance to finally kill off these fascist governments once and for all. If the only route to destroy the russian czar was WW1, then maybe the only route to kill off all the arab regimes would be a giant war that they'd loving get smashed in. You need communism to kill the czar, just like you need communist insurgency to kill fascists. Liberals just can't cut it.
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Count Roland posted:Uh wrong thread? Correct-a-mundo. Sorry about that, I edited it to avoid a detail some time down the line.
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Panzeh posted:You need communism to kill the czar, just like you need communist insurgency to kill fascists. Liberals just can't cut it. libs took the czar down
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Sinteres posted:Beyond that, global warming is going to completely gently caress the Middle East and Northern Africa. IMO there's not much long term hope for much of the region period, and my advice to anyone who can would be to gtfo before the prospect of climate refugees empower nativists in more fortunate parts of the world to restrict immigration even more. They still have time to invest in large amounts of desalinization plants powered by nuclear (possibly using thorium). The goal would be to not have to rely on food imports once the oil runs out.
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HorrificExistence posted:libs took the czar down It took communists to murder him and take credit for the whole transition, though.
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They don't need nuclear power, they can build large scale, concentrated solar stills to get fresh distilled water for free.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:It took communists to murder him and take credit for the whole transition, though. regicide isn't murder
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Panzeh posted:regicide isn't murder He had already abdicated. 
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Absurd Alhazred posted:He had already abdicated. Much better to keep him around as a potential pretender with the backing of every state left standing.
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nm, no longer contributing to this derail.
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qkkl posted:They still have time to invest in large amounts of desalinization plants powered by nuclear (possibly using thorium). The goal would be to not have to rely on food imports once the oil runs out. Heat alone is going to be a problem for livability in a lot of areas later in the century, and presumably for a lot of crops too, even aside from drought. Drought already seems to be contributing to larger dust storms though.
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Sinteres posted:Heat alone is going to be a problem for livability in a lot of areas later in the century, and presumably for a lot of crops too, even aside from drought. Drought already seems to be contributing to larger dust storms though. I was under the impression that global warming wasn't actually going to warm up the Earth too much, just by a few degrees, but even a small increase in temperature would have big ecological effects.
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Coldwar timewarp posted:Much better to keep him around as a potential pretender with the backing of every state left standing. I understand why they did it, but it would have been great propaganda to have a citizen Romanov just leading a normal life in the USSR, especially as the old bolsheviks were anti-death penalty. it's probably better for russia now that he has been killed however,
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Turkey is opening turkish post boxes in syria. What the hell happens when turkey literally annexes parts of iraq and syria
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HorrificExistence posted:I understand why they did it, but it would have been great propaganda to have a citizen Romanov just leading a normal life in the USSR, especially as the old bolsheviks were anti-death penalty. Eh, that's basically what the Chinese did with the last Qing emperor, and you don't see too many restorationists popping up over there. Of course, it probably helps that the gap between the overthrow of the monarchy and the Communist revolution in China was ~40 years and not 8 months.
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LeoMarr posted:Turkey is opening turkish post boxes in syria. What the hell happens when turkey literally annexes parts of iraq and syria Nothing.
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qkkl posted:I was under the impression that global warming wasn't actually going to warm up the Earth too much, just by a few degrees, but even a small increase in temperature would have big ecological effects. "Just a few degrees" is enough to push most of the region past 35C wet bulb temperature (lethal) during heatwaves.
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Conspiratiorist posted:"Just a few degrees" is enough to push most of the region past 35C wet bulb temperature (lethal) during heatwaves. If it gets too hot for humans air conditioning can be used. If it gets too hot for crops it becomes a much bigger problem. Luckily there are crops that can withstand temperatures that it is believed global warming wont reach.
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Al-Saqr posted:I really really hope a disasterous major regional war happens, it may be the only chance to finally kill off these fascist governments once and for all. If the only route to destroy the russian czar was WW1, then maybe the only route to kill off all the arab regimes would be a giant war that they'd loving get smashed in.
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qkkl posted:I was under the impression that global warming wasn't actually going to warm up the Earth too much, just by a few degrees, but even a small increase in temperature would have big ecological effects. The part you are missing is on average . ME will suffer above average warming, and thus way worse extremes than today. People will probably not be able to work outside during the worst heatwaves, and your average AC will not work very well at those temperatures, if at all.
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It's really depressing to see all these constant articles about how all the tens of thousands of Syrians who disappeared were actually murdered in government death camps and now their families are finally being notified. Also how Assad's "to kill" list has 1.5 million name on it.
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Counterpoint https://twitter.com/EHSANI22/status/1028260443981316098
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qkkl posted:I was under the impression that global warming wasn't actually going to warm up the Earth too much, just by a few degrees, but even a small increase in temperature would have big ecological effects. During the ice age the Earth was four degrees colder. The 2 degree warmer goal is going to cause a lot of poo poo, if its even stops there.
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LeoMarr posted:Turkey is opening turkish post boxes in syria. What the hell happens when turkey literally annexes parts of iraq and syria Nothing as long as they remain a loyal US client state. The Sauds just butchered schoolchildren and kidnap other countries' heads of state and no one gives a poo poo, not least the major news outlets apparently.
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mila kunis posted:Nothing as long as they remain a loyal US client state. I don't think you've been paying attention to the news, then.
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mila kunis posted:Nothing as long as they remain a loyal US client state. The Sauds just butchered schoolchildren and kidnap other countries' heads of state and no one gives a poo poo, not least the major news outlets apparently. The lira is down 20% in like 2 days
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I don't think you've been paying attention to the news, then. I'm aware of that, hence the qualifier.
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Conspiratiorist posted:"Just a few degrees" is enough to push most of the region past 35C wet bulb temperature (lethal) during heatwaves. People say this a lot, but it really doesn't make any sense. Basra is literally in the high 40s every day all summer. 2 or 3 extra degrees to Cairo or Damascus or whatever is uncomfortable, but not deadly by any means, given that there are parts of the region that are already regularly 10°C warmer year round. Crops OTOH are a huge issue. Also flooding coastal regions, etc. But if 'temperature direct effect on humans' was all that global warming was going to do, 2-3°C would be utterly trivial except in a tiny handful of places around the world. I mean, poo poo, that whole area near Basra/Ahvaz is averaging in the high 40s every day for 3 months of the year. If you go back 1500 years, it might have been 'only' in the low-to-mid-40s on average, but it's so absurdly much hotter than anywhere else in the world that's actually inhabited that it makes it hard for me to believe that Cairo turning into an average 42 in summer vs 38 is actually going to cause any direct crisis. Again you need to take into account humidity, which is why in Delhi the heat waves can be so much more deadly even though it never really gets all that hot, but even so it's mostly only old/sick people, or people doing stupid poo poo like working their asses off during the heat of the day, which no one (even super poor people) do in MENA. Also Basra can be humid as poo poo, as can Doha. What an absolute garbage place to live, it seems worse than most of Siberia. Again, just talking about the direct heat on humans. Plants, fish, flooding, etc, are of course a huge issue. Saladman fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Aug 12, 2018 |
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The thing is that "a couple degree higher on average" doesn't mean it'll be uniformly +2° everywhere, everywhen. You'll have cooler temperatures at given time and place, and much higher temperatures at other times and places. What if the 2° global year-round average increase translates to +15° during the summer in the Middle East? Basra in the high 40°? Well, how about the low 60°, is it still no big deal then?
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Saladman posted:People say this a lot, but it really doesn't make any sense. Basra is literally in the high 40s every day all summer. 2 or 3 extra degrees to Cairo or Damascus or whatever is uncomfortable, but not deadly by any means, given that there are parts of the region that are already regularly 10°C warmer year round. Do you know what wet-bulb temperature is? You acknowledged yourself that humidity is important, yet drop ambient temperatures at random throughout your post without any contextual link to the value that actually matters to determine human habitability. Cat Mattress posted:The thing is that "a couple degree higher on average" doesn't mean it'll be uniformly +2° everywhere, everywhen. You'll have cooler temperatures at given time and place, and much higher temperatures at other times and places. What if the 2° global year-round average increase translates to +15° during the summer in the Middle East? Basra in the high 40°? Well, how about the low 60°, is it still no big deal then? That 2 to 15 is something of an exaggeration, but land temperatures are indeed expected to be several degrees higher per increase in average Earth temperature. But strictly sticking to my point about survivable temperatures, northeast India, the Persian Gulf, the Red Sea, and the equatorial band of South America are expected to routinely suffer from downright lethal heatwaves* by the end of century, at the pace we're going. These are regions that are already on the edge of human habitability, which is why things getting just a little hotter will crush them - people will still be able to live there, of course, but think about the effects of humans being seasonally unable to survive there without air conditioning, where trying to bear the heat by sitting in the shade with a fan blowing on you will kill a healthy adult. *a lethal heatwave being >35C wet-bulb temperature sustained over 6 hours Conspiratiorist fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Aug 12, 2018 |
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In other news, Erdogan wrote an editorial in the New York Times. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/10/opinion/turkey-erdogan-trump-crisis-sanctions.html Here's the subtitle: Unilateral actions against Turkey by the United States will undermine American interests and force Turkey to look for other friends and allies.
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