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Mad Jaqk: Jun 2, 2013

FoiledAgain posted:

I love grading student assignments...

code:

{'end': word[-1]  if len(word)>3 else word[2:4] if len(word)>2 else word[1:3] if len(word)>1 else word[0:2] if len(word)>0 else word[0],
'endgram1': word[-2:]  if len(word)>2 else word[-1]  if len(word)>3 else word[2:4] if len(word)>2 else word[1:3] if len(word)>1 else word[0:2] if len(word)>0 else word[0],
'endgram2': word[-3:-1] if len(word)>1 else word[-2:]  if len(word)>2 else word[-1]  if len(word)>3 else word[2:4] if len(word)>2 else word[1:3] if len(word)>1 else word[0:2] if len(word)>0 else word[0],
'endgram3': word[-4:-2] if len(word)>0 else word[-3:-1] if len(word)>1 else word[-2:]  if len(word)>2 else word[-1]  if len(word)>3 else word[2:4] if len(word)>2 else word[1:3] if len(word)>1 else word[0:2] if len(word)>0 else word[0]}

Beyond anything else, I'm pretty sure word[0] of an empty string is an IndexError in Python.

# ? Aug 11, 2018 23:41

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# ? May 23, 2024 09:43

Jeb Bush 2012: Apr 4, 2007; A mathematician, like a painter or poet, is a maker of patterns. If his patterns are more permanent than theirs, it is because they are made with ideas.

I know names are harder than anyone expects but I am still amazed that anyone would be stupid enough to think that "10 letters, no special characters" would be a reasonable restriction on a field that is required to contain someone's (exact, legally specified) name

# ? Aug 12, 2018 20:51

hailthefish: Oct 24, 2010

For the full name? Or just the first name?

Either way it's stupid, but if it's the full name, there's a HUGE number of incredibly boring whitebread names that wouldn't be able to be represented...

# ? Aug 12, 2018 22:11

TooMuchAbstraction: Oct 14, 2012; I spent four years making
Waves of Steel
Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.; Fun Shoe

My legal first name is quite common in the USA, and longer than 10 letters.

# ? Aug 12, 2018 22:15

hailthefish: Oct 24, 2010

Oh, yeah, definitely, like I said, it's dumb both ways, the difference is "a substantial chunk of peoples' names not working" vs "almost nobody's name working"

# ? Aug 12, 2018 22:21

Jeb Bush 2012: Apr 4, 2007; A mathematician, like a painter or poet, is a maker of patterns. If his patterns are more permanent than theirs, it is because they are made with ideas.

hailthefish posted:

For the full name? Or just the first name?

Either way it's stupid, but if it's the full name, there's a HUGE number of incredibly boring whitebread names that wouldn't be able to be represented...

Middle name, as it happens. The "first name" field accepts arbitrary strings. (but then strips them of spaces)

# ? Aug 12, 2018 22:30

Khorne: May 1, 2002

Jeb Bush 2012 posted:

I know names are harder than anyone expects but I am still amazed that anyone would be stupid enough to think that "10 letters, no special characters" would be a reasonable restriction on a field that is required to contain someone's (exact, legally specified) name

One time at an airport, I overheard someone with no last name try to get onto a flight. His passport had a blank space in the last name field. He had put "LNU" on the online form because it required characters for a last name and wouldn't accept a space. FNU is standard convention for no first name, but it's usually on the passport. Lots of times people will write "NA" or "not applicable" when forced, but boy that airline employee was not having any of it because his last name clearly wasn't Lnu on his passport. Which was what the website automatically converted LNU to.

edit: Yeah, you usually see First: FNU, Last: their name. I have no idea why this guy's passport was like that, but he ended up getting on the plane anyway.

Khorne fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Aug 13, 2018

# ? Aug 12, 2018 23:11

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

Khorne posted:

One time at an airport, I overheard someone with no last name try to get onto a flight. His passport had a blank space in the last name field. He had put "LNU" on the online form because it required characters for a last name and wouldn't accept a space. FNU is standard convention for no first name, but it's usually on the passport. Lots of times people will write "NA" or "not applicable" when forced, but boy that airline employee was not having any of it because his last name clearly wasn't Lnu on his passport. Which was what the website automatically converted LNU to.

Interesting, I thought the international standards for passports and the like recognized people with only one name as having a last name but not a first name.

# ? Aug 12, 2018 23:31

Ellie Crabcakes: Feb 1, 2008; Stop emailing my boyfriend Gay Crungus

TooMuchAbstraction posted:

My legal first name is quite common in the USA, and longer than 10 letters.

I, too, am an Englefargenarbleblorg.

# ? Aug 13, 2018 01:02

redleader: Aug 18, 2005; Engage according to operational parameters

hobbesmaster posted:

Interesting, I thought the international standards for passports and the like recognized people with only one name as having a last name but not a first name.

I asked someone I know who makes passports and yep, this is what the ICAO passport standards say.

# ? Aug 13, 2018 01:55

Xerophyte: Mar 17, 2008; This space intentionally left blank

Jeb Bush 2012 posted:

Middle name, as it happens. The "first name" field accepts arbitrary strings. (but then strips them of spaces)

Heh. I have two legal first names, as is common in Sweden, and the first name field on my passport and other identifying papers says something like "John Bob". I usually enter both names, with the second as a middle name if I can but as two first names if I can't. The two first names are on my US visa papers and other official identification, which this has been varyingly effective. My ID card and social security card says "John Bob" so clearly the space is in there somewhere, but I am "Johnbob" on about half the documentation I receive. Most annoyingly, the travel vendor my employer is using keeps booking all my drat flights as "Johnbob Smith" and it's a dice roll on every airport security check if someone complains about it.

When I heard the joke that naming things was hard I didn't think they meant actual name datafields, but apparently those too.

# ? Aug 13, 2018 02:12

Bongo Bill: Jan 17, 2012

Falsehoods Programmers Believe about Names

# ? Aug 13, 2018 03:26

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

Bongo Bill posted:

Falsehoods Programmers Believe about Names

I mean, the formatting of passports and the like is set by treaty.

# ? Aug 13, 2018 05:19

FoiledAgain: May 6, 2007

Mad Jaqk posted:

Beyond anything else, I'm pretty sure word[0] of an empty string is an IndexError in Python.

That's true. One thing I actually just learned is that slices with non-existent indexes don't raise an IndexError.

code:

>>> word = 'hello'
>>> word[3:9001]
'lo'
>>> word[60:90]
''

# ? Aug 13, 2018 05:55

RobertKerans: Aug 25, 2006; There is a heppy lend
Fur, fur aw-a-a-ay.

Sometimes beginners produce stuff that is just bafflingly complex. Just trying to explain that a set of tests are a baseline to make sure that what they've written works, and when they complain that most of the tests don't work and the exercise must be buggy, that they're not supposed to just write something to make a single test pass. It gets frustrating after a while

JavaScript code:


function reverse(str) {
  let input = [];
  let result = [];
  input = [...str.split("")];
  result.push(input.pop());
  result.push(input.pop());
  result.push(input.pop());
  result.push(input.pop());
  result.push(input.pop());
  str = res2.join('');
  return str;
 }

Edit: that's beginners and it's a bit harsh to say it's a horror (it is but they'll get better 🤞) but was trying to help some kid with basic HTML stuff and this guy pops up in the thread to say his site excellent-programming.com explains how everything works. And well, it's really something, it seems to have involved a lot of effort on the part of Mr Excellent Programmer:

http://excellent-programming.com/programming-concepts/tableofcontents.php

RobertKerans fucked around with this message at 10:42 on Aug 13, 2018

# ? Aug 13, 2018 10:32

Woodsy Owl: Oct 27, 2004

About SO copy-pasting, SO is good for for finding solutions you weren�t able to come up with yourself, or as a speingboard for searching for proper documentation (e.g., finding an example and working your way back to documentation). Copy-pasting blocks of code suggests that you may not understand the solution enough to implement it yourself, or that you didn�t actually track down the official documentation for a more complete understanding. Also, it�s possible that the answer lifted from SO isn�t the most appropriate or even relevant.

I�ve seen so-called seniors copy-paste blocks from SO without even removing or editing inline documentation that is a dead giveaway that the code is intended for a completely different purpose. As if they didn�t even read through the code and attempt to understand it, let alone use it as a starting point to search for the proper documentation. When confronted, this sr didn�t t have a clue how the code worked, just that it more or less did. They completely missed the oppportunity to actually learn something.. Copy-pasting is lazy and sloppy. Copy-pasting just to get things done is doing yourself and your team a huge disservice. If you commit it, you should be able to explain how and why it works. Your teammates and employer expect this of you.

# ? Aug 13, 2018 11:20

Volte: Oct 4, 2004; woosh woosh

hobbesmaster posted:

I mean, the formatting of passports and the like is set by treaty.

Falsehoods Programmers Believe About Treaties

# ? Aug 13, 2018 11:49

LOOK I AM A TURTLE: May 22, 2003; "I'm actually a tortoise."; Grimey Drawer

Volte posted:

Falsehoods Programmers Believe About Treaties

It turns out programmers don't have a monopoly on creating insufficiently generic validation rules.

They have, however, cornered the market.

# ? Aug 13, 2018 12:02

redleader: Aug 18, 2005; Engage according to operational parameters

I often copy/paste from SO because I can't be bothered to try to remember the magical series of functions and objects needed to accomplish ${thing I've done occasionally before}.

# ? Aug 13, 2018 12:04

Ola: Jul 19, 2004

redleader posted:

I often copy/paste from SO because I can't be bothered to try to remember the magical series of functions and objects needed to accomplish ${thing I've done occasionally before}.

Just create an SO parrot account, ask a question, answer it with your own code and then you can copy/paste it later while retaining ownership.

# ? Aug 13, 2018 12:06

putin is a cunt: Apr 5, 2007; BOY DO I SURE ENJOY TRASH. THERE'S NOTHING MORE I LOVE THAN TO SIT DOWN IN FRONT OF THE BIG SCREEN AND EAT A BIIIIG STEAMY BOWL OF SHIT. WARNER BROS CAN COME OVER TO MY HOUSE AND ASSFUCK MY MOM WHILE I WATCH AND I WOULD CERTIFY IT FRESH, NO QUESTION

I don't think I've ever found anything that I could comfortably copy-paste without some kind of tweaking.

# ? Aug 13, 2018 12:13

Munkeymon: Aug 14, 2003; Motherfucker's got an
armor-piercing crowbar! Rigoddamndicu𝜆ous.

Xerophyte posted:

I saw their presentation at last year's siggraph and Sadeghi was there running parts of the real-time demo that supposedly used his hair tech (it's this one). He had to know that the photo-to-avatar part was fake if that's the case. Assuming he's telling the truth he at least went along with the scheme, including presenting it to a few thousand people, until they fired him. It isn't a great look.

Still, I can buy that his main motivation is not wanting to lose his job. Li seems like an irredeemable scumbag if at least half the screenshots are non-doctored, in comparison.

I really should have known better than to think that (apparently) slavedriving asshat would let someone go in vacation ~~during a big conference like that~~at all

# ? Aug 13, 2018 13:41

Doom Mathematic: Sep 2, 2008

Ola posted:

Just create an SO parrot account, ask a question, answer it with your own code and then you can copy/paste it later while retaining ownership.

I have actually done this. But you don't need to create a parrot account. You can just answer your own question.

# ? Aug 13, 2018 18:50

Mad Jaqk: Jun 2, 2013

Answering your own question isn't even necessarily poor form. If you ask a question on SO, then solve the problem yourself independently, I believe you're supposed to leave an answer documenting it for when someone Googles the same issue.

# ? Aug 13, 2018 19:34

Factor Mystic: Mar 20, 2006; Baby's First Post-Apocalyptic Fiction

Mad Jaqk posted:

Answering your own question isn't even necessarily poor form.

It is explicitly encouraged

# ? Aug 13, 2018 22:31

CPColin: Sep 9, 2003; Big ol' smile.

While I was working at Experts Exchange, we added the ability for askers to accept their own comments as the solution and the community flipped their poo poo. Of course, they did that over any change, but still.

# ? Aug 13, 2018 22:39

1337JiveTurkey: Feb 17, 2005

Look, I'm not inherently opposed to better handling of names but at some point the If-Christ-had-not-died-for-thee-thou-hadst-been-damneds of the world need to meet us in the middle.

# ? Aug 13, 2018 23:25

DELETE CASCADE: Oct 25, 2017; i haven't washed my penis since i jerked it to a phtotograph of george w. bush in 2003

Bongo Bill posted:

Falsehoods Programmers Believe about Names

i stopped caring around #11... if the characters in your name can't be mapped to unicode code points (or any other character set) then how exactly are you typing it on a computer? what does this guy want, a blank canvas where i can put whatever arbitrary squiggles i feel like?

# ? Aug 14, 2018 00:49

bob dobbs is dead: Oct 8, 2017; I love peeps; Nap Ghost

i think he's talkin about really really obscure kanji in that specific instance

so given the usual modern phone input for kanji and chinese and hanja, answer may be yes

# ? Aug 14, 2018 00:52

JawnV6: Jul 4, 2004; So hot ...

DELETE CASCADE posted:

i stopped caring around #11... if the characters in your name can't be mapped to unicode code points (or any other character set) then how exactly are you typing it on a computer? what does this guy want, a blank canvas where i can put whatever arbitrary squiggles i feel like?

what if... there was a pre-existing world before computers

# ? Aug 14, 2018 00:58

redleader: Aug 18, 2005; Engage according to operational parameters

And like everything that existed pre-computers, the problem is impossible to handle well in all (or even most) cases.

# ? Aug 14, 2018 01:11

DaTroof: Nov 16, 2000; CC LIMERICK CONTEST GRAND CHAMPION
There once was a poster named Troof
Who was getting quite long in the toof

JawnV6 posted:

what if... there was a pre-existing world before computers

It's not like the name on your passport was allowed to be a picture of a thundercloud before computers hosed everything up.

# ? Aug 14, 2018 01:30

MrMoo: Sep 14, 2000

bob dobbs is dead posted:

i think he's talkin about really really obscure kanji in that specific instance

so given the usual modern phone input for kanji and chinese and hanja, answer may be yes

In China by law your child's name has to be able to be entered into the local police computer system otherwise it will be rejected and you must pick a different name :lol:

# ? Aug 14, 2018 01:59

JawnV6: Jul 4, 2004; So hot ...

DaTroof posted:

It's not like the name on your passport was allowed to be a picture of a thundercloud before computers hosed everything up.

what if... there was a pre-existing world before typewriters

# ? Aug 14, 2018 02:03

bob dobbs is dead: Oct 8, 2017; I love peeps; Nap Ghost

MrMoo posted:

In China by law your child's name has to be able to be entered into the local police computer system otherwise it will be rejected and you must pick a different name

they added that law in 1987 for naming and 20 years later for the computerization

so there's still peeps born before

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/21/world/asia/21china.html

# ? Aug 14, 2018 02:03

DaTroof: Nov 16, 2000; CC LIMERICK CONTEST GRAND CHAMPION
There once was a poster named Troof
Who was getting quite long in the toof

JawnV6 posted:

what if... there was a pre-existing world before typewriters

Falsehoods Phoenicians Believe about Names

# ? Aug 14, 2018 02:11

DaTroof: Nov 16, 2000; CC LIMERICK CONTEST GRAND CHAMPION
There once was a poster named Troof
Who was getting quite long in the toof

DaTroof posted:

Falsehoods Phoenicians Believe about Names

what if.. there was a pre-existing world before human language

# ? Aug 14, 2018 02:12

redleader: Aug 18, 2005; Engage according to operational parameters

MrMoo posted:

In China by law your child's name has to be able to be entered into the local police computer system otherwise it will be rejected and you must pick a different name

is this really such a bad thing (assuming the local police computer can interoperate with others successfully)? given how the world runs off of computers, seems like a reasonable option

# ? Aug 14, 2018 02:15

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

^^ yes but imagine if your name was suddenly considered invalid

DaTroof posted:

It's not like the name on your passport was allowed to be a picture of a thundercloud before computers hosed everything up.

With hand written Kanji that basically was allowed.

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# ? May 23, 2024 09:43

MrMoo: Sep 14, 2000

From that article:

quote:

The bureau�s computers, however, are programmed to read only 32,252 of the roughly 55,000 Chinese characters, according to a 2006 government report.

I've rewritten the Reuters support for Chinese a few times and know it's at least 154,000 known characters for Traditional Chinese, the majority of which are snowflake names, so :lol:

# ? Aug 14, 2018 02:23

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