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Sorry old man you'll have to join us in the digital age to post
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site posted:When did that happen Depending on where you're located, you can get a budget Moto E4 for like $60 that should be better than your Galaxy S3 in every way. Still might be more than you can spend, of course, but there are not awful budget options these days. It's only two major OS versions out of date as of Monday!
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Aug 9, 2018 23:25
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Okay well if you're going to break compatibility for older versions even though everything already worked before you broke it go ahead give me a link to the last version that worked before you silently broke it and didn't bother putting it in the changelog
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Aug 9, 2018 23:35
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Counterpoint, don't be a dick to people making an app for free failing to hold up development for the 3% of people on OS versions that old
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Aug 9, 2018 23:42
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site posted:Okay well if you're going to break compatibility for older versions even though everything already worked before you broke it go ahead give me a link to the last version that worked before you silently broke it and didn't bother putting it in the changelog It takes time and effort to support things like old-rear end operating systems and the volunteers working on this hobby project have decided on other priorities. Don’t be a dick.
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Aug 9, 2018 23:43
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If you think asking to add "we stopped supporting android versions earlier than 4.4 and updating will break your functionality and no we won't provide a link to an earlier version" to the changelog to notify users with limited income that their phone/tablet will no longer work if they update is being a dick then suck my ladydick
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Aug 9, 2018 23:50
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Feel free to submit a pull request.
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Aug 10, 2018 00:11
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It's far more likely that something on the site changed that broke compatibility with the old version of the app. I'm not the person who does releases for this app, but afaik the last release for kitkat was several months ago, and unless you've been seeing the issue that long, it wasn't the app that broke. It's just really old so it's not being supported anymore because supporting 6 years of different software versions is Really Hard, especially the jump from Android 4 to 5 which was huge. Software development is more complicated than you think it is, particularly when you have 2 separate pieces of software (the app and the site) that have to interact seamlessly. When one changes, it can break the other.
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Aug 10, 2018 00:12
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I actually got out my old 4.3 Galaxy Nexus this morning, and sure enough, avatars are broken. Since Site noticed this in July and the version dropped in April my guess is something cloudflare related, like they are serving the images in an SSL version that the old android does not support. Or something. I'll try to check after work. The thing is, the app could probably stayed on on 4.0.1 forever. Android itself makes graceful degradation pretty easy. And the features the new versions bring are usually not that important, most cosmetic. The webview, which makes up the juicy part, does not work like that however. Here the changes between 4.4 and 5 even are pretty severe with the 4.4 being barely better than IE7. Sure you can use polyfills to close that gap but at some point it required basically polyfilling everything. Anyway, I'll look into it tonight, can't promise anything though.
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Aug 10, 2018 08:29
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Another thanks for what you guys do It really is appreciated
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Aug 10, 2018 14:53
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Yeah, my guess is that it's a side effect of dropping TLS v1.0 support at the hosting end. Some cursory searching suggests that TLS 1.1 and 1.2 are available between 4.1 and 5.0, but require custom code to utilize and even then may have compatibility issues based on ciphers and types of SSL certs that might be in use. So yeah, very likely a change is hosting that would require an extensive change in how the images are being fetched in the app to fix. This likely isn't the only app that's going to start breaking due to the PCI mandated SSL protocol deadline.
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Aug 10, 2018 15:59
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Visit this link on your phone and see if it gives you the option to update: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.gms If it just says "Deactivate" then you have the newest version Basically we hand off all the SSL/TLS stuff to a Google library, so that should keep things up to date and handle secure connections gracefully if there are any future changes. Lucky Sereri has a device to test it on, I can only use an emulator and I can't update Play Services to see if it fixes things
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Aug 10, 2018 17:54
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It's not that easy because we don't hand over all the SSL/TLS stuff over to the google library, just the page itself. Everything that is in there is then loaded by the webview. This is what is failing. It seems that in July the tax man disabled all the older and (relatively) unsafe SSL/TLS methods and only left TLS 1.2 and 1.3 . The webview of android 4.3 only supports TLS 1.0 . I've google a little bit but afaict there seems to be no wait to retrofit the newer TLS onto the old webview. tldr: the browser inside the app is too old to display the forum images coming over the forced, secure connection
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Aug 10, 2018 18:58
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Yeah rip old lovely phones sorry not sorry imo
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Aug 10, 2018 18:59
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Sereri posted:It's not that easy because we don't hand over all the SSL/TLS stuff over to the google library, just the page itself. Everything that is in there is then loaded by the webview. This is what is failing. Ohhhh right, I was hoping it would just work - our fix just changed something on the backend that the network stack goes through, so the requests got patched. So the webview can't handle it huh Yeah sorry, even if the app weren't Lollipop+ I don't think there's a lot we could do about this. The internet marches on and some stuff just doesn't get updated anymore
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Aug 10, 2018 20:54
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That's understandable, it's so old! can't wait to get a new phone
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Aug 11, 2018 01:49
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Welp if its android side rip my phone guess its time to see if there are any custom roms still floating around for the s3
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Aug 11, 2018 20:10
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site posted:Welp if its android side rip my phone guess its time to see if there are any custom roms still floating around for the s3 By all means, barge in and be a dick and then don't even say thanks for the help.
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Aug 12, 2018 17:49
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lol gently caress off (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Aug 12, 2018 18:05
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Internet Explorer posted:By all means, barge in and be a dick and then don't even say thanks for the help.
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Aug 12, 2018 18:25
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site posted:lol gently caress off I mean we get it, you're poor, but you don't need to take it out on others
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Aug 12, 2018 18:36
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This started because tviolet confirmed it was happening long after my original post and all i did was respond to a non devs (as it turns out) false claim that support had been totally cut with no notice for older phones so im not sure what yall are trying to get out of gaslighting me
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Aug 12, 2018 18:44
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site posted:This started because tviolet confirmed it was happening long after my original post and all i did was respond to a non devs (as it turns out) false claim that support had been totally cut for older phones so im not sure what yall are trying to get out of rezzing a convo from three days ago to gaslight me I'm not sure why either. It's a total and complete mystery. One we may never fully solve.
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Aug 12, 2018 18:46
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Taffer is a dev and the app is 5.0 and up now, older devices will just stay on the old version and it won't get updates. We're not retroactively pulling support, but stuff outside the app sometimes changes and that might break an outdated version. And sometimes there's nothing we could do about it anyway (like here)
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Aug 12, 2018 19:07
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I'm not really, I just barge in occasionally and break things.  You and Sereri do all the real work
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Aug 12, 2018 20:01
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baka kaba posted:Taffer is a dev and the app is 5.0 and up now, older devices will just stay on the old version and it won't get updates. We're not retroactively pulling support, but stuff outside the app sometimes changes and that might break an outdated version. And sometimes there's noting we could do about it anyway (like here) And I'm totally fine with and understand that. I just didn't think that asking to drop a line in the changelog acknowledging that to warn others would be some sort of crime against humanity  and in case its ever necessary i went ahead and put 3.4.1 on an dummy mega.nz account https://mega.nz/#!vb5AnYRJ!cFafX49cvQcYurpRs6ApV8yGJe90cHmWEy_MpO5TnZM site fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Aug 12, 2018 |
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Aug 12, 2018 20:45
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site posted:And I'm totally fine with and understand that. I just didn't think that asking to drop a line in the changelog acknowledging that to warn others would be some sort of crime against humanity "Asking to drop a line in the changelog" vs site posted:Okay well if you're going to break compatibility for older versions even though everything already worked before you broke it go ahead give me a link to the last version that worked before you silently broke it and didn't bother putting it in the changelog That's the entire reason you've gotten pushback. I legitimately hope this helps your confusion about this social interaction.
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Aug 12, 2018 21:52
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site posted:And I'm totally fine with and understand that. I just didn't think that asking to drop a line in the changelog acknowledging that to warn others would be some sort of crime against humanity There was nothing to put in the changelog about that, because the issue didn't come from an app update. It showed up months later from a change on the website, which the app devs have no control over, and is something that cannot be fixed on a version of Android that old. Why are you being so toxic after the reason it can't be fixed was explained?
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Aug 12, 2018 22:16
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I can't seem to get Twitter embeds to stick. It worked when I re-installed the app, but now it's broken again despite the fact I haven't touched anything. Anyone else having this issue? I fuckin love this app, by the way. Been using it for a long time and I should have thanked you guys sooner.
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Aug 13, 2018 00:09
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I think it may be off by default? Settings > posts > embedding > tweets
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Aug 13, 2018 00:31
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Taffer posted:I think it may be off by default? Settings > posts > embedding > tweets Oh no, I made sure to toggle it first thing after I re-installed. It just randomly stopped working in a tweet-heavy thread I was reading, despite still being toggled. Forgive me if this has come up or is a dumb question, but could having a third party Twitter app (Flamingo, specifically) be mucking embeds up somehow?
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Aug 13, 2018 01:45
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YES CURES SINNERS posted:Oh no, I made sure to toggle it first thing after I re-installed. It just randomly stopped working in a tweet-heavy thread I was reading, despite still being toggled. Nah. Twitter stuff is all just html magic, other apps won't affect it. But, the html magic is outside of my wheelhouse so I can't help you further, sorry.  Sereri is the expert on that so maybe he'll show up and answer
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Aug 13, 2018 04:25
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Taffer posted:Nah. Twitter stuff is all just html magic, other apps won't affect it. But, the html magic is outside of my wheelhouse so I can't help you further, sorry. No worries, I appreciate you responding!
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Aug 13, 2018 05:00
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It stops working for me every now and again and doing a full restart of the app usually fixes it
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Aug 13, 2018 05:59
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Taffer posted:I'm not really, I just barge in occasionally and break things. You at least know what's up! YES CURES SINNERS posted:I can't seem to get Twitter embeds to stick. It worked when I re-installed the app, but now it's broken again despite the fact I haven't touched anything. Anyone else having this issue? There's an issue with some embedding breaking, it's (I think) something that might stop them loading on one page, but they'll be fine on another. So you don't need to reinstall or restart or anything, it should just work when the page loads, unless something on that page is breaking it, y'know? There's already a fix in the dev version so next update it'll hopefully be ok. You could try disabling Instagram embeds for the moment, that might help
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Aug 13, 2018 17:44
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I've definitely had it a few times where its stopped working for multiple pages till a full restart of the app If it happens again is there anything I can do to help track down the issue?
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Aug 13, 2018 19:26
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You could give us some pages where you see it happening! Especially if it's the first page it breaks on, after seeing it working fine You could also make a note of a page where they do embed, and try going to that when it breaks, see if it still works or if something's fallen over Like I said there's a fix for something like that, but it can't hurt to check other reports and see if it's something different 
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Aug 13, 2018 19:38
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site posted:This started because tviolet confirmed it was happening long after my original post and all i did was respond to a non devs (as it turns out) false claim that support had been totally cut with no notice for older phones so im not sure what yall are trying to get out of gaslighting me If it's only two of us that tells you how our devices are deprecated. Personally I'm pretty okay with it because it's a free app offered to us, and I'm impressed that the devs even take the time, their personal time, to offer support ITT. Also, since I can no longer see avatar or emotes, everyone is on the same level visually, which turns out I actually appreciate.
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Aug 15, 2018 03:53
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I'm running the most up to date version of the app on a Pixel 2 XL with Android P. I've been getting 'Loading failed!' errors all day, both on WiFi and mobile data.
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Montalvo posted:I'm running the most up to date version of the app on a Pixel 2 XL with Android P. I've been getting 'Loading failed!' errors all day, both on WiFi and mobile data. Sometimes the forums and/or cloudflare eats poo poo, was it happening on the browser too?
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