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Why enjoy that stuff? There’s no new perspective or revelation. It’s just the same beats from Breaking Bad but worse. Nacho is the only interesting part of it.
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Yeah he’s an open book for them to write, really. He could meet a brutal, brutal end or he could get ‘out’ somehow.. but it’s unlikely that he gets to walk away from the life he’s chosen. From his brief mention in BB, all we know is that at some point it sounds like Saul and Nacho both screw over this Lalo character, maybe together, maybe just Nacho on his own, but either way Saul is pretty readily willing to let him take the blame. Or maybe Saul was just trying to throw anyone but himself under the bus. Of course if we’re going to take everything Saul ever said as canon, we’ve got 2 divorces to go through between here and Breaking Bad
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I hope we get a scene of Mike tracking/staking out Walter, before Saul walks into his school. And I hope it takes 15 minutes and is mainly Mike drinking a coffee and putting a tracker in Walt’s gas cap because gently caress you guys.
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SeANMcBAY posted:Why enjoy that stuff? There’s no new perspective or revelation. It’s just the same beats from Breaking Bad but worse. Nacho is the only interesting part of it. Since Nacho is the main perspective we see the Cartel stuff pan out through I think it's perfectly fine, as well as that the stuff in the last season where we saw Hector's conflict with Gus was fantastic since it gave the vendetta between the two men, which was honestly poorly fleshed out in Breaking Bad, a lot more context so you could properly see how Hector was perceived prior to becoming crippled and that led to stuff like Hector waltzing into Los Pollos Hermanos to cause trouble during working hours and Gus having to give his employees a real  speech to prevent the situation from getting out of control.
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Ein cooler Typ posted:I hope somebody got fired for this blunder Alright, Chuck.
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Chadzok posted:Yeah he’s an open book for them to write, really. He could meet a brutal, brutal end or he could get ‘out’ somehow.. but it’s unlikely that he gets to walk away from the life he’s chosen. From his brief mention in BB, all we know is that at some point it sounds like Saul and Nacho both screw over this Lalo character, maybe together, maybe just Nacho on his own, but either way Saul is pretty readily willing to let him take the blame. Or maybe Saul was just trying to throw anyone but himself under the bus. Just one, actually. Jimmy mentions in the Season 1 finale that the guy he Chicago Sunroof'd was screwing his wife. The real problem with that line is that Jimmy doesn't have a stepdad.
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The big difference between BCS and BB is that the stakes felt a lot higher in BB because every character was in near-constant danger. Due to the prequel nature of BCS, most of the main characters are in no peril at all because we know they have to live to a certain point (Jimmy, Mike, Gus), or are in too much peril because their proximity to Jimmy makes it unrealistic that they would be non-existent in the BB timeline (Chuck, Kim, Howard). That isn't to say the journey isn't enjoyable, but there is an element of predetermination to BCS whereas BB was uncapped. On the pro-BCS side, I think another key difference is that all the main characters in this show are highly intelligent, which lends itself to snappier dialogue and more intricate cat and mouse situations. BB derives a lot of its power from the raw emotion of average people being thrust into chaotic situations they aren't mentally prepared to handle. It really just depends what type of suspense you're looking for in your tv shows, sudden and chaotic, or slow and calculating.
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Mario death mask posted:This is an amazing show but the one thing that’s getting to me is the lack of attention to period detail. I know it’s not that far in the past but certain things stick out: I will just never understand people like you.
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hey now It's people like him who keep us from noticing just when this show was really filmed. Thank you for your service
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I know absolutely nothing about cars or men's suits, so getting the cell phones, computers, and newspaper headlines right was good enough for me
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im very upset they didn't poor tonnes of money and effort into finding and restoring a pristine 2002 suv for a throwaway scene
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Hmm, pay money to buy an old car and restore it so it looks new or get a free car and get paid to advertise it? Difficult choices.
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I always figured BCS wasn't trying to ape a specific era as much as just a general notion of "the recent past". Like there would probably be waaaaaayyyyy more 9/11 in the show otherwise if they really wanted to play up the 2002 or whatever setting. Raxivace fucked around with this message at 05:14 on Aug 13, 2018 |
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re: suits 2003 vs 2017 
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SimonChris posted:Howard was buying Chuck out of the company. He will have to either pay that money to Chuck's estate, or the estate will retain co-ownership of HHM. Maybe I'm not remembering correctly, but I thought the point of that scene was that HHM couldn't afford to buy Chuck out of the company without bankrupting itself, which was what Chuck was threatening, and Howard stepped in and threw in his own personal money to buy Chuck out to keep HHM alive. I.e., this was an under the table type of deal not involving HHM. From my understanding Chuck officially renounced his retirement (out of his own "free will") so why would his estate still be co-owners of HHM? If I quit my job I don't get to keep my severance package you know?
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The only thing I checked was that the Albuquerque Isotopes changed their name in 2003. But they wouldn't be on TV, though.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Maybe I'm not remembering correctly, but I thought the point of that scene was that HHM couldn't afford to buy Chuck out of the company without bankrupting itself, which was what Chuck was threatening, and Howard stepped in and threw in his own personal money to buy Chuck out to keep HHM alive. I.e., this was an under the table type of deal not involving HHM. From my understanding Chuck officially renounced his retirement (out of his own "free will") so why would his estate still be co-owners of HHM? If I quit my job I don't get to keep my severance package you know? I thought Howard was gifting his personal money to HHM to allow it to buy out Chuck. Chuck wouldn't take the deal if it was voluntary.
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Ditocoaf posted:I thought Howard was gifting his personal money to HHM to allow it to buy out Chuck. Chuck wouldn't take the deal if it was voluntary. I think Chuck did take the deal to retire, and I think it was voluntary because Howard putting that much of his own money(and money he had to borrow at that) on the line finally made Chuck realise just how far he had pushed Howard and that he couldn't push him anymore. Regarding Jimmy's reaction to Howard in this latest episode on a rewatch from the very first scene outside Chuck's house Jimmy is trying to figure out why Chuck relapsed. I don't think he's upset or dealing with guilt during the episode, I think he's puzzling it out which is why he's so happy when Howard tells him he caused the relapse. That was the puzzle Jimmy was working on. Previously every time Chuck got worse with electricity was because of something Jimmy did, and he couldn't figure out what he had done to cause it this time.
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Boris Galerkin posted:re: suits I don't think I've ever felt as aged as I have just looking at this post and realizing holy poo poo things have changed and I'm old now.
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Mario death mask posted:This is an amazing show but the one thing that’s getting to me is the lack of attention to period detail. I know it’s not that far in the past but certain things stick out: People are mocking this post(er) but I also find this stuff interesting, though I can't say I've caught very much myself in BCS. I don't know that it's sloppy per se, everything about this show is very methodical. My personal take is that the director doesn't want it to be That Early 2000's show, so while there's enough to let you know it's not the present day, they don't want to hit you over the head with 'BAGGY SUITS AND SMASHMOUTH, AMIRITE  ' I think if there was too much fidelity it might take the viewer out of the experience, and make it feel more like a period piece and less like the character study(ies) that it is. As a photography nerd, once I learned the difference between a post-war and pre-war Speed Graphic (basically, is the lens board metallic/aluminium or black/wooden) I couldn't unsee it. You will see Speed Graphics in the press scrum of literally any early 20th century period piece but more likely than not there are some anachronistic postwar Speeds in the mix.
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Randandal posted:I don't think I've ever felt as aged as I have just looking at this post and realizing holy poo poo things have changed and I'm old now. I may be crazy but I really don't remember the early 2000s being a time when everyone dressed up by wearing pea coats or whatever the hell those knee-length buttoned-up-to-the-neck rear end things are.
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Those are professional athletes, they always have their own sense of style. Whoever said to look at Frasier to see how "classy" suits were worn by working professionals in the 2000's was correct.
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DaveKap posted:Finally watched the episode, was waiting for the payoff, and the payoff was fantastic. Came to thread, saw people enjoying it and saw people complaining about what the show is. So, okay, how about it's 2 shows and they're both really good? That's what it feels like to me anyway. I hadn't even considered that but it would make sense to introduce him as part of the cartel side of the story. I think if they want to do a full-on breaking bad cameo this season he'd be the most sensible one to weave into the story. Seeing a pre-season 1 BB Hank would be quite a trip, given the arc he went through as a character.
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I just watched the first 2 episodes and it's almost like a different show. Way more Saul being Saul before they decided to go the super drama route l. It's almost jarring
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Blind Pineapple posted:The big difference between BCS and BB is that the stakes felt a lot higher in BB because every character was in near-constant danger. Due to the prequel nature of BCS, most of the main characters are in no peril at all because we know they have to live to a certain point (Jimmy, Mike, Gus), or are in too much peril because their proximity to Jimmy makes it unrealistic that they would be non-existent in the BB timeline (Chuck, Kim, Howard). That isn't to say the journey isn't enjoyable, but there is an element of predetermination to BCS whereas BB was uncapped. Its entirely possible that Kim and Howard are around, and Saul may even be going home as Jimmy to Kim each day. It may not be the likeliest, but it's possible. We only see Saul in BB in his professional capacity dealing with Walt and his associates.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Maybe I'm not remembering correctly, but I thought the point of that scene was that HHM couldn't afford to buy Chuck out of the company without bankrupting itself, which was what Chuck was threatening, and Howard stepped in and threw in his own personal money to buy Chuck out to keep HHM alive. I.e., this was an under the table type of deal not involving HHM. From my understanding Chuck officially renounced his retirement (out of his own "free will") so why would his estate still be co-owners of HHM? If I quit my job I don't get to keep my severance package you know? It's different when you own 1/3 of the company. They'll need to buy his estate out. Retiring means he can't draw a paycheck but is still entitled to profits after everyone is paid. And he would still have a vote on major company decisions.
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Nail Rat posted:Saul may even be going home as Jimmy to Kim each day. It may not be the likeliest, but it's possible. We only see Saul in BB in his professional capacity dealing with Walt and his associates. No way Kim would stay with Saul, she has integrity. Plus losing her at some point (probably this season) is definitely going to one of the major factors of his transformation. He won't go full criminal while he still has something to lose. He's lost his brother and soon he's gonna lose Kim. It's inevitable. She could definitely still be alive and kicking, but she is 100% not still with Jimmy. Howard could totally still be around during BB and not come up too.
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Wafflecopper posted:No way Kim would stay with Saul, she has integrity. Plus losing her at some point (probably this season) is definitely going to one of the major factors of his transformation. He won't go full criminal while he still has something to lose. He's lost his brother and soon he's gonna lose Kim. It's inevitable. I wonder if Gene gets so spooked and feels being caught is inevitable, so he makes one more attempt to reconnect with Kim. Looks her up, travels to wherever (NYC, maybe?) and... sees that she's settled down and started a family. Brutal.
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Barreft posted:I will just never understand people like you. It didn't stop me from enjoying it, but the HBO miniseries Show Me a Hero had the Oscar Isaac campaigning for a 1987 election in his office adorned with Starting Lineup action figures of various New York Yankees even though Starting Lineup debuted in 1988 and the Baseball Greats line he had on the wall came out in 1989 and I remembered all of that immediately because I spent the late 1980s going to baseball card shows with my dad. I'm guessing most people didn't even notice that he had baseball dolls on his desk/wall for the thirty seconds they were on-screen, but if you're really into [thing] your attention is drawn to it. I did not, however, yell at David Simon for not having period-authentic Yankees gimmicks on the desk, though.
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Mike's Methodic Corner was very much fun the first couple of times they did it, but now it's starting to grate. We get it, he's slow, methodical, extremely focused and hypercompetent and just the bestest ever. You can stop showing us. It's like if every other BB episode had ten minutes dedicated to Marie being a kleptomaniac.
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The Jimmy and Kim stuff is the actual show. Mike is fun and his segments are beautifully shot, but it doesn't feel like it's part of this show anymore. It started feeling this way last season.
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I primarily watch this show for Mike/Gus/Nacho/The Cartel, Jimmy is the b-plot to me.
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TOOT BOOT posted:I primarily watch this show for Mike/Gus/Nacho/The Cartel, Jimmy is the b-plot to me. They need to kill Jimmy off, and soon. I need more Saul strong arming folks to sell their house at less than half value. e: Do you concur??
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Alan_Shore posted:I just watched the first 2 episodes and it's almost like a different show. Way more Saul being Saul before they decided to go the super drama route l. It's almost jarring Yeah. Though the show has given us plenty of great moments as is, I think I would have preferred the show that was presented in the first two episodes. Retaining the same cinematography and production values. Higher stakes, yet still more lighthearted than Breaking Bad's lightest moments, Saul's sleazy scheming already apparent even if it's just to increase awareness of his business and not actively getting guilty criminals off the hook like he later would do. In general, season 1 as a whole is near perfect and almost works completely on it's own as enough of a snapshot of Jimmy's life to make the connections on how he became Saul. I have very mixed feelings about the deliberate throttle-down the show pulled at the beginning of season 2. I know they had to to a degree because season 1 was written under the assumption that they may not get a second season, but the bulk of season 2 amounted to very little. To go this far in and still not have Jimmy and Mike's plots intertwine and also have Jimmy not changed all that drastically as a character just seems like a waste of the premise, even if it has given us a bunch of great individual moments. SweetMercifulCrap! fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Aug 13, 2018 |
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SweetMercifulCrap! posted:
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Season 2 gave us squat cobbler, KENWINS getting owned, and Jimmy getting fired for leaving his deuces stewing in the pot. S2 ruled.
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I decide what he deserves 
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DarklyDreaming posted:I decide what he deserves I am the decider.
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Counterfieters? Shocked. I am Shocked that crime can be done on our printers 
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