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Expect My Mom posted:still need to get into patlabor That's a powerful dollar store purchase
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Davincie posted:true introspective media that comes near anything germany, america or russia has put out is rare and i can count the examples on 1 hand (the fantastic fires on the plain, mouryo no hako and the forgotten tsuki ga noboru made ni). jumping down that guy's throat was kinda dumb everyone, lol. i wouldnt necessarily say it's rare in the realm of japanese fiction/writing in general but among mainstream anime stuff that confronts the war at all is fairly rare and stuff that is solely from the perspective of 'we weren't the victims at all' is, well, even rarer. stuff like japanese concentration camps don't really come up in american mainstream film either so I'm not even saying japan is the sole country with problems of historical revisionism/ignoring the parts of its past it isn't proud of, but Japan has a long, complicated history with depictions of world war 2 in media, and anime is escapist, mass market media meant almost exclusively for japanese consumption. The fact that it's fairly niche means it can get away with a lot, but it also means that it doesn't really have to push any boundaries, and that pushing boundaries can also be contradictory to its bottom line. These aren't inaccurate calls to make. Endorph fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Aug 13, 2018 |
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Aug 13, 2018 17:54
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Anime that is critical of the government is common enough that when something comes up that says something pointed I don't think it's shocking. Maybe it's not as good as it could be? I don't get a sense that anime is ultra conservative though. But yea if you're looking for an anime about war and Japan (and in most ways war and the global north) then watch Patlabor 2 it rules.
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Aug 13, 2018 18:46
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Everything Burrito posted:e: I kinda feel like this show is what Kabaneri was hyped up to be but let everyone down as far as mood, action, production, etc. Who is this mystical 'everyone' supposed to be?  Kabaneri was perfectly dumb-as-poo poo when it needed to be. I yelled 'Suplex the train!' and he did. I wasn't let down. I suppose I'll pick Sirius up just because such a comparison was made. Ranzear fucked around with this message at 18:57 on Aug 13, 2018 |
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Aug 13, 2018 18:51
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an actual dog posted:Anime that is critical of the government is common enough that when something comes up that says something pointed I don't think it's shocking. Maybe it's not as good as it could be? I don't get a sense that anime is ultra conservative though.
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Hanabedo owns, I don't watch a ton of sports shows but the ones I do tend to err on the side of good natured competition instead of slugging matches and crazy eyes.
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Davincie posted:media that solely depicts japan as a victim is a poor excuse for anti war media, imagine if germany only made endless movies about dresden. they commonly avoid anything that actually engages with the subject matter besides civilians getting hurt. actual media that engages with the war in other ways is rare and mainly falls within lines of rehabilitation (yamato), propaganda aimed at popularizing the military (kancolle, gup and so on), badly executed revisionism (joker game and other of its ilk) and a variety of alternative history. I don’t think this is entirely fair to Girls und Panzer, which in itself doesn’t have much to do with the Japanese military (the protagonists don’t even use Japanese tanks). The JSDF did try to use the brand for authority cuteness after the show aired, though. Joker Game actually seemed to be going in a somewhat introspective direction, but I didn’t watch beyond the first few episodes because it was somewhat boring. I don’t really disagree with your overall point, though.
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I will note that Kitaro isn't just criticising the government or Imperial Japan, but broadly modern Japanese culture for failing to educate young people about the truth about historical events.
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Aug 13, 2018 20:26
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Kitaro loving rules, really enjoying both the new series and the noitaminA series from 2008 that sticks closer to the manga. Deeply wholesome and spooky fun.
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Ranzear posted:Who is this mystical 'everyone' supposed to be? tbh I didn't watch past the first episode but iirc the general reaction was that folks were pretty hype for it and then it didn't hold up compared to how it was expected to, from what i remember from that season's thread. To go back to an earlier post, Yuily's arc is well-trodden territory yes but they don't really have to do anything special to make it work, just tell it well and make sure the characters are engaging and for me they're doing ok with that so far.
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Everything Burrito posted:tbh I didn't watch past the first episode but iirc the general reaction was that folks were pretty hype for it and then it didn't hold up compared to how it was expected to, from what i remember from that season's thread. I happened to rewatch it in one sitting recently. I posited at the time that people who liked Kabaneri were the people who were at least iffy with or just hated Attack on Titan, and that still seems to hold with the present company. I still feel the show ended very strongly. It's just the middle bits that really sucked to wait a week for that may have lost some people along the way. It spends way too long trying to beat any hint of shonen hero out of the main character and have serious dramatic set pieces (and does succeed at least once), but then finally goes "Alright gently caress it, kick his rear end sea-bass!" The last episodes were great for other callouts too, like "Groovy!" In fact, it really does have more in common with Evil Dead 2 than I figured, where it just beats up the MC for the longest time then he goes crazy and starts kicking rear end like the character you expect him to be. Ranzear fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Aug 13, 2018 |
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Aug 13, 2018 22:37
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I thought Kabaneri looked great. The world was pretty cool as well.
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This week's mountain girls had good pups, good cake shops and good awkward moments in trains
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starlight revue was v. good too  This is potatoes. 
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This weeks Yama no Susume was very heartwarming in how much Aoi has grown and also heartbreaking in that Hinata missed Aoi so much while Aoi was at work
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Since we were touching on Grave of the Fireflies, turns out Takahata eventually drove the lead animator to death through overwork. 
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Aug 14, 2018 03:47
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Just had a amazing idea while I was taking a poo poo: A yuri anime called Happy Sugar Life but it's about an adult woman with a sugar mommy
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DisDisDis posted:Just had a amazing idea while I was taking a poo poo: So, are the serial murders staying in, or...?
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SatoshiMiwa posted:This weeks Yama no Susume was very heartwarming in how much Aoi has grown and also heartbreaking in that Hinata missed Aoi so much while Aoi was at work Felt like a real animation showcase too, even by the show's generous standards. Some really fantastic character acting throughout.
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Darth Walrus posted:Since we were touching on Grave of the Fireflies, turns out Takahata eventually drove the lead animator to death through overwork.
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Endorph posted:Not a big surprise. Studio Ghibli is a hellhole, there's a reason there's an entire One Piece movie about how much it sucked to work there. Wait what? Which one?
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Paper Triangle posted:Wait what? Which one? Baron Omatsuri, Mamoru Hosoda’s contribution.
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Endorph posted:Not a big surprise. Literally every animation studio on the planet is a hellhole, there's a reason there's an entire One Piece movie about how much it sucked to work there. ftfy. Granted Ghibli is especially bad even by animation studio standards.
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you can voice a lot of criticism towards ghibli but i don't think they're just unequivocally worse than other studios https://twitter.com/Yuyucow/status/818834846713778179 one example, though it's not standardized, is how they've handled in-between animation within the studio for a long time, which is a pretty huge thing (kyoani has it too). the tragic case here, and you see ghibli people talk about it in interviews and stuff, is that people seen as gifted were really pressured to succeed and had tons of expectation pushed onto their shoulders. kondou's death didn't happen overnight, he fostered illness for over a decade and whenever he left the hospital he'd be right back in the studio rather than recouping. here's an excerpt from Miyazaki's eulogy for Kondou, talking about an anime Kondou worked on 20 years before his death. quote:I can't forget one scene which Kon-Chan did when he was young. It's a scene in "Future Boy Conan", where the hero laughs to cheer the heroine up.
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Endorph posted:Not a big surprise. Studio Ghibli is a hellhole, there's a reason there's an entire One Piece movie about how much it sucked to work there.
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Darth Walrus posted:So, are the serial murders staying in, or...? i didn't think about that but if mommy kills people it'll probably be way more popular with millenials
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Paper Triangle posted:Wait what? Which one? Anyway Ghibli isn't the worst studio ever despite my personal distaste for it but a lot of people in western anime fandom have some kind of weird image of it as a magical wonderland or the only good anime studio, when it's well below even the standards of the industry in a lot of ways. And this news specifically has led to a lot of 'wondrous' takes like https://twitter.com/NeguseOreki/status/1029213846781808643 There's definitely a weird circling of the wagons from some circles whenever Ghibli gets criticized, so I feel like it's okay to exaggerate a bit just to try and get through to people that it's not a very good environment despite the successful works they've made. As for every anime studio being bad, even Kyoto Animation has its issues (despite Yamada's best efforts the people at the very top of the studio haven't changed in over a decade, all she's managed to do is get people up to key animator and episode director, though at least those are positions people can eventually get into leadership roles from, the fact that it has maternity leave is admirable considering how dire the rest of the industry is in that respect but it's very much the bare minimum, etc) but Ghibli is kinda... bad. Miyazaki is not a good person and Ghibli is an incredibly high-pressure place to work. Miyazaki and Takahata, plus the other Ghibli founders, started out as rabblerousers at toei who got into trouble for trying to start unions and stuff, but when they formed Ghibi, their needs for perfection led to them placing impossible amounts of pressure on anyone who dared to take a leading role at the company. Hosoda talked about his negative experiences as the prospective director of Howl's Moving Castle, obviously we have the case with Kondou, and Miyazaki even treated his own son like absolute poo poo. quote:An hour into Tales from Earthsea, Miyazaki bolted from the theater to have a cigarette, saying, “It feels like I was sitting there for about three hours.” It's not a healthy environment, even if on paper it has more protections than some studios.
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Aug 14, 2018 19:21
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that's awful to say but god is that a funny quote and yeah One Piece Movie 6 is good and something I saw before actually reading One Piece. Hisoda's great, It's a bit overtly darker than One Piece gets but if you like it like, you'll probably like One Piece lmao at the villian being Miyazaki I need to rewatch it knowing that
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I thought Hosoda said Omatsuri was based on someone senior at Ghibli who wasn’t Miyazaki? I guess that makes Takahata a prime suspect.
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Darth Walrus posted:I thought Hosoda said Omatsuri was based on someone senior at Ghibli who wasn’t Miyazaki? I guess that makes Takahata a prime suspect. The quote I saw said it was Miyazaki, but either way it's a takedown of Ghibli in general, which obviously includes Miyazaki. Hosoda obviously has some respect for him, but he also seems to feel like he's holding hte anime industry back, either in terms of his influence or in terms of public perception. Or both? Davincie posted:its a really loving bad movie though Endorph fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Aug 14, 2018 |
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Endorph posted:The quote I saw said it was Miyazaki, but either way it's a takedown of Ghibli in general, which obviously includes Miyazaki. Hosoda obviously has some respect for him, but he also seems to feel like he's holding hte anime industry back, either in terms of his influence or in terms of public perception. Or both? There's also the fact that the dude just won't loving retire and actively resisted any attempt to build a new generation of creators ate Ghibli.
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Moved. Now I remember where it was supposed to go...
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Aug 14, 2018 20:51
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Anime was a mistake.gif but replace anime with Ghibli.
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Aug 14, 2018 22:11
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"Anime was a mistake" - Said Miyazaki, who was a mistake.
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Tales from Earthsea is an ambitious movie that doesn't pull off everything but like, attempts to adapt Tehanu, the most difficult of the Earthsea books. It's also by a guy who was coaxed into doing anime direction having only experience as an *architect*, while Hayao Miyazaki petulantly refused to offer any assistance or advice during the entire project.
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Fangz posted:I hope conditions are better at Ponoc, anyway.  but seriously i'm looking forward to modest heroes
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