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RaySmuckles posted:
it's almost as if the former directly resulted in the kleptocracy that runs russia today
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sexpig by night posted:Yea Russia probably did some poo poo but statistically hostile nations like Russia and China and all ALWAYS 'do some poo poo' when we're having elections, just like we do poo poo when they are. If this was just 'hey we have some flaws we'd like to finally patch up since technology is advancing and it's so much easier for rando hostiles to just buy some bots or poo poo to spread 'don't vote for hillary she's going to jail' bullshit and that's not ideal' it'd be fine, but the idea that Russia changed votes or had a greater impact on the campaign than the whole 'america is already great, how about 12 dollars an hour' and not campaigning in major parts of the 'blue wall' is just some liberal alex jones poo poo to me. Yeah, the thing about the Russia stuff is that the most important response (improving election security and general political IT) is rarely given focus by liberals and Democratic politicians, with the focus instead going to prosecution of individuals. While the latter should still be done, it isn't really important in the grand scheme of things; it won't stop future electoral interference, and it wouldn't have any positive impact on peoples' lives.
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Cease to Hope posted:it's almost as if the former directly resulted in the kleptocracy that runs russia today ok glenn/ames/taibbi/anyonewhohastwoeyesandcandrawastraightline 
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Phone posted:ok glenn/ames/taibbi/anyonewhohastwoeyesandcandrawastraightline What are you even trying to argue here? Like, you do realize Putin controlling Russia is a direct result of US meddling in Russian elections right?
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^^^ I think they're mocking the sort of person who mocks the idea that the US has interfered like that.Lightning Knight posted:loving hell its the primary today and I didn’t realize I’d have to pick a governor candidate too fuuuuuuuck I feel like, if you're not sure when it comes to a primary, you may as well just not vote (since there's no real benefit to an ignorant primary vote). It might be worth voting for some random person below the top choice if you really feel like you need to vote for some reason (just because the top choice is likely to be the "default choice" with the most backing).
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Ytlaya posted:Yeah, the thing about the Russia stuff is that the most important response (improving election security and general political IT) is rarely given focus by liberals and Democratic politicians, with the focus instead going to prosecution of individuals. While the latter should still be done, it isn't really important in the grand scheme of things; it won't stop future electoral interference, and it wouldn't have any positive impact on peoples' lives. Well uh I mean there was a push for extra funding for election security but for some reason the political party currently holding all three branches of government decided it wasn't a priority.
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kidkissinger posted:What are you even trying to argue here? Like, you do realize Putin controlling Russia is a direct result of US meddling in Russian elections right? 
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I shouldn't post when I have a migraine.
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It is also why usual calls of "whataboutism" is usually a distraction from genuine hypocrisy. If anything the result is pretty much the equivalent of screaming into a mirror. Any actual "leftist" that supports going after crushing the population under some strongman isn't actually a leftist, be it in: Russia, Turkey, Iran, or China (soon to be half the world). "Class solidary" doesn't come from using the might of the US to undermine whatever portions of humanity get in our way. (It also doesn't help usually we are directly responsible for those strongmen being in power.) Ardennes fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Aug 14, 2018 |
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DrNutt posted:Well uh I mean there was a push for extra funding for election security but for some reason the political party currently holding all three branches of government decided it wasn't a priority. Extra funding is meaningless, though. Money isn't the core problem and never was. And even if money was the biggest issue, the amount that Dems pushed for is generally considered by experts to be far too little to accomplish anything meaningful. Halfassing security is only good for looking like you're doing something.
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The Bad Dems aren't interested in doing anything meaningful to secure elections, because their main reason for why they care about Russia is so they can pretend that their ideology isn't completely discredited.
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Lightning Knight posted:loving hell its the primary today and I didn’t realize I’d have to pick a governor candidate too fuuuuuuuck What state?
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Ytlaya posted:I feel like, if you're not sure when it comes to a primary, you may as well just not vote (since there's no real benefit to an ignorant primary vote). It might be worth voting for some random person below the top choice if you really feel like you need to vote for some reason (just because the top choice is likely to be the "default choice" with the most backing). I mostly figured it out. The only difficult one is governor. I could vote for McCabe, who is the DSA members’ choice, but he has about as much chance of becoming governor as I do. I think I’m going to vote for Mitchell, who seems like the best of the normal candidates and comes from a firefighter union background.
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Lightning Knight posted:I could vote for McCabe, who is the DSA members’ choice, but he has about as much chance of becoming governor as I do. I don’t know McCabe, but vote for Good Candidates. This isn’t betting on the Super Bowl, you don’t get a prize for picking the ultimate winner. The only way we make progress is to keep pressing the vote count for leftist candidates until the mainstream party can’t ignore us. No matter what they say about the lesser of two evils.
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Pakistani Brad Pitt posted:I don’t know McCabe, but vote for Good Candidates. This isn’t betting on the Super Bowl, you don’t get a prize for picking the ultimate winner. The problem is that there’s ten candidates and it has a high probability of being one of the lovely businesspeople. I actually like Mitchell and think he’s fine tbh.
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Lightning Knight posted:The problem is that there’s ten candidates and it has a high probability of being one of the lovely businesspeople. I actually like Mitchell and think he’s fine tbh. Ugh, this is why we need approval voting. Or at least something better than first past the post.
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Pakistani Brad Pitt posted:If McCain makes it through the elections and AZ elects a Democratic governor -- is there anything besides I thought someone said months ago the answer is yes.
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stopping someone from changing party affiliation to R so they can be selected to fill this seat?
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Berke Negri posted:feel like the state supreme court would be able to figure out that someone was a democrat 24 hours before they came out as a republican on the news mccain was announced dead and there may be a reason the parties on a state level don't regularly try to game out fake affiliations like that for national senate seats but who knows Well a savvy party would be switching someone 8 months ago in preparation for such an eventuality but you know... I don’t believe for a second that if the roles were reversed that the 2018 Republicans wouldn’t stuff the seat with some Democrat who never changed his affiliation since he was on the George Wallace campaign.
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Pakistani Brad Pitt posted:Well a savvy party would be switching someone 8 months ago in preparation for such an eventuality but you know... its the kind of scummy tactic the az gop would do but it wouldnt really be necessary as im sure there's some poo poo head rural dem they could tap anyways which is how i explained things earlier probably the dems would just appoint some central phoenix ostensibly liberal gop person who doesn't care for trump and probably doesn't really want the seat because they're retired, we got a ton of those lying around provided a dem actually wins the race in nov
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but yeah in some kind of zero sum chess game you could have someone switch affiliation once mccains cancer was known (but not yet disclosed to the media) and then stump on being a real business conservative for like 18 months or however long it takes for mccain to die apparently, then appoint them but this isn't really how people operate because anyone you would probably put on senate isn't some isolated cell commando but a local narcissist who isnt ideologically driven enough to just be a spy or false flag for a chunk of their 40s or 50s
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Berke Negri posted:feel like the state supreme court would be able to figure out that someone was a democrat 24 hours before they came out as a republican on the news mccain was announced dead and there may be a reason the parties on a state level don't regularly try to game out fake affiliations like that for national senate seats but who knows Hey, it worked for Jim Justice. It's not really something the court system is going to give a poo poo about - if someone is a fake Republican, that's not illegal, and it's voters' responsibility to figure that out.
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Berke Negri posted:feel like the state supreme court would be able to figure out that someone was a democrat 24 hours before they came out as a republican on the news mccain was announced dead and there may be a reason the parties on a state level don't regularly try to game out fake affiliations like that for national senate seats but who knows
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I wasn't arguing this is likely to happen. I don't know much about the AZ Democratic gubernatorial candidate, and absent evidence otherwise I'd just assume they are probably the stripe of Democrat that would be totally happy with a 'adult in the room' Kasich/McCain 'liberal Republican' type Republican being nominated to the seat, which is emblematic of 90% of what we talk about in this thread. I'm just saying this is the kind of raw political power play that Democrats are going to have to get a lot more comfortable with if they want to compete on equal ground in a post-Trump world. I don't think we can return to vague unenforced fairness & decorum without at very least the vast majority of the county reflecting on what's gone on in the last 20 years, agreeing it was largely bullshit, and actually passing Constitutional amendments to provide fair remedies for things like gerrymandering, filibustering, supreme court size, packing, justice-stealing etc. And hell, triple  me if I live to see that day, I'll happily pay the re-reg fees.Considering that we will never live in that world, you have to use every dirty trick and scrap of power available in order to compete.
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Berke Negri posted:feel like the state supreme court would be able to figure out that someone was a democrat 24 hours before they came out as a republican on the news mccain was announced dead and there may be a reason the parties on a state level don't regularly try to game out fake affiliations like that for national senate seats but who knows if there isn't a law about having to maintain party affiliation for a set period before filing then there's not really much that can be done to prevent that this literally just happened in north carolina with a state supreme court candidate who took advantage of a loophole in another election meddling scheme to switch from d to r at the last minute to run as a spoiler against the republican incumbent the legislature called an emergency session to pass a new bill forcing the guy to run as an independent and it immediately got shot down in court
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Satanic Dan Akyroyd
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Aretha Franklin has passed away. An article in WaPo discussing her impact on the Civil Rights Movement and anti-war protests in the ‘60s.
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Elephant Ambush posted:Satanic Dan Akyroyd  We should have known when he started selling glass skulls full of vodka.
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BGrifter posted:
LOL my dad got me an autographed bottle of that stuff as a Christmas gift a few years back. The vodka was awful but I kept the autographed skull because hey why not. Ghostbusters was rad.
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.....how do you gently caress up vodka?
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Mulva posted:.....how do you gently caress up vodka?
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Mulva posted:.....how do you gently caress up vodka? Distill it in things made out of copper.
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I’m probably late with this. But have you guys seen Warren’s accountable capitalism act? It’s a loving hardon inducing bit of legislation that will likely never pass but goddam am I glad to see it happen. https://www.vox.com/2018/8/15/17683022/elizabeth-warren-accountable-capitalism-corporations
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Aug 16, 2018 20:21
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Crystal Head vodka is pretty good, actually.
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The Kingfish posted:Crystal Head vodka is pretty good, actually. trump-wrong.gif punishedkissinger fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Aug 16, 2018 |
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The Kingfish posted:Crystal Head vodka is pretty good, actually. ACSHUALLY It's garbage.
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It tastes like you're paying for the bottle.
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Nothus posted:It tastes like you're paying for the bottle. In fairness, the variance in taste on vodka is very small relative to other liquors. Bad vodka is bad, but it's got nothing on bad whiskey, bad gin, or bad tequila.
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