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OfChristandMen posted:The Veldaklen getting Advantage on Cha, Int AND Wis saving throws seems super powerful. It’s only on saving throws. So it’s really only wisdom.
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Being banished kinda sucks. Being plane shifted if loving awful.
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Aug 14, 2018 02:00
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yes, clearly errata and clarifications can be handled via twitter rather than proper errata/updates, this couldn’t possibly cause confusion https://twitter.com/jeremyecrawford/status/596189921318023168?s=21 https://twitter.com/jeremyecrawford/status/1029177242985742337?s=21
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Aug 14, 2018 02:54
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Dragonatrix posted:Champion Fighter is boring as sin as is. Give it something interesting that still keeps it a "simple" option while making it an actual choice to use if you want to be A Good Fighter: Change this to “medium or smaller creatures” at level 7 and then “large or smaller creatures” at level 15 and it would be rad. Maybe also make this more for melee fighters than ranged fighters? Maybe give something similar but not quite the same, like losing the “you no longer miss” portion and the critical hit bonus, but maybe giving them something like “when you kill a medium or smaller creature in this way, you get an attack of opportunity against another creature in range. You can repeat this as many times as your dexterity bonus.” Verisimilidude fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Aug 14, 2018 |
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Aug 14, 2018 03:19
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let fighters use creatures up to one size smaller than them as one handed improvised weapons (or up to their own size as a two-handed improvised weapon) set damage at 1d4 for tiny, 1d6 for small, 1d8 for medium, 1d10 for large, etc damage is dealt to both the target and the weapon
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Aug 14, 2018 03:24
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That must be in there somewhere because thats how everyone runs the game.
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Aug 14, 2018 03:26
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Disagree that Fighters should ignore a 1. That takes a ton of fun/tension out of rolling the friggin d20 in the first place. Instead fighers should get specific spell-like effects at different d20 rolls that improve as they level. I roll a 12? Ok I did an awesome move that blinds my opponent for a round. An 18 reduces target's Dex by 6 because I slashed the hell out of his tendons. Etc.
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Aug 14, 2018 03:28
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Yes, having powers chosen by the die instead of the player is great fun and agency! That’s the worst part of the 13th Age fighter, it doesn’t need to spread.
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Aug 14, 2018 03:30
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Die roll at or below grants the special move...is what I meant to write. Point being make the dice roll exciting -- by both giving choices and (rarely) punishing the player.
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Aug 14, 2018 03:31
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Smashing Link posted:Die roll at or below grants the special move...is what I meant to write. Point being make the dice roll exciting -- by both giving choices and (rarely) punishing the player. So after I decide to attack, I look at the N special moves permitted by the die and then choose between them? Why not just always give those choices so they can plan?
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Aug 14, 2018 03:34
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Could work a number of different ways but I think the dice roll constraining choices as well as giving choices makes it more exciting, IMHO.
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Aug 14, 2018 03:35
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I mean, the right answer is to embrace that magic is king in D&D and make martial PCs into walking magical armories. Fire Sword that does d4 fireballs per day, Ice Spear that freezes enemies, Lightning whip that calls storms and a big magnetic ball and chain that lets you katamari enemies in full plate. Just go hog wild because nothing you would put in your game is more disruptive to "game" "balance" than plane shift, wish and resurrection poo poo anyway. Have fun.
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Aug 14, 2018 03:37
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Philthy posted:Being banished kinda sucks. Being plane shifted if loving awful.
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I can't remember if I posted bitching about this two weeks ago but I finally had to leave the group of randoms I joined to pick up 5e again, because two of the players are really just ruining the experience for everyone. Suddenly deciding they're doing something retroactively (oh I cast X on him earlier by the way), talking over everyone including the DM, and for me the most frustrating, rolling checks and THEN telling us/the DM. (I rolled a 20 for athletics, so I pick the boulder up). Another player and I did talk to the DM about it and he did agree but then yesterday was another 4 hour shitshow and I just felt like the DM doesn't really know what to do about it. He was kind of hinting it would be easier with less players (we're 7 now when everyone shows up...) so I bit the bullet. Just goes to show, you gotta be nice and play well but also the DM is responsible for this sorta stuff and it falls apart if they don't step up. Nevermind tho - I am having way more fun DMing for my coworkers who, while new, are all really well behaved and listen to me. Oh well!!!
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tote up a bags posted:I can't remember if I posted bitching about this two weeks ago but I finally had to leave the group of randoms I joined to pick up 5e again, because two of the players are really just ruining the experience for everyone. Suddenly deciding they're doing something retroactively (oh I cast X on him earlier by the way), talking over everyone including the DM, and for me the most frustrating, rolling checks and THEN telling us/the DM. (I rolled a 20 for athletics, so I pick the boulder up).
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Aug 14, 2018 09:19
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Splicer posted:Did you grab contact details for the good players? Everyone forgets to tell people stage two of no gaming is better than bad gaming, which is poaching the not-trash players for a new table. Oh hell yeah you know I did  I don't want to take them from the DM who is really good when he's not being talked over/challenged, but maybe if he wants to do a victory lap of better players some day I would join. (Not saying I'm an amazing player, I just don't bark out rules verbatim from the PHB at random times)
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Aug 14, 2018 09:22
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The Gate posted:Level 20 Fighter capstone should just include something like: Thats pretty close to the way it ended up in 1e/2e, just by the math.
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Aug 14, 2018 09:27
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FRINGE posted:Thats pretty close to the way it ended up in 1e/2e, just by the math. Anything before 3e is an un-edition that never existed.
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Arivia posted:Anything before 3e is an un-edition that never existed. e: I was talking about 4e here not sure why I quoted this post for it Splicer fucked around with this message at 12:33 on Aug 14, 2018 |
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Aug 14, 2018 11:34
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FRINGE posted:Thats pretty close to the way it ended up in 1e/2e, just by the math. This is also the way it ended up in 3e, and even in Pathfinder, also just by the math (technically because you needed excess attack bonus to be able to afford to Power Attack, but regardless).
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Aug 14, 2018 11:38
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The Gate posted:Level 20 Fighter capstone should just include something like: "Once per day, by force of arms, you defeat (but do not kill) a single thing that can be referred to with a proper noun".
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Aug 14, 2018 13:51
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AlphaDog posted:"Once per day, by force of arms, you defeat (but do not kill) a single thing that can be referred to with a proper noun". Faerun
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Aug 14, 2018 13:55
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Toshimo posted:Faerun Yeah, you found the fatal flaw. When you've been playing for months or years, and everyone's just got to level 20 and the players are all excited for the climax of your long story... the fighter's player really might say "I reveal that all along without you knowing I have been that guy! Monkey cheese dishwasher! I defeat... FAERUN!". If that happens in your game and ruins everything, I'll revise the wording just for you.
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Aug 14, 2018 14:05
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By or at level 20, a fighter could have this ability: You have mastered the art of tactical scale warfare. In any single battle in which you personally participate, the side you support is guaranteed to win. If a character with the same ability participates on the other side of the battle, the battle becomes gridlocked until one character holding this ability defeats the other in personal combat.
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Aug 14, 2018 14:37
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I came to a strange realization. most people don't like fixed games. They want fixer-uppers so they can tweak and causes endorphins to fill the brain if you "fix it" as another version of the empowerment fantasy. They might not even be aware of it, and hide their changes with nostalgia.
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Aug 14, 2018 15:08
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Don't tell them about chip damage in fighting games.
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AlphaDog posted:"Once per day, by force of arms, you defeat (but do not kill) a single thing that can be referred to with a proper noun". Yeah, this is the level of craziness that I want to see. 4e had the right idea with the epic tier destinies thing. Add that poo poo into 6e or 5.5 and have it start around 8-10 with the major stuff online by 15. Absurd capstone at 20 because why not.
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Aug 14, 2018 16:04
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"I defeat Death, and claim immortality" (this is not a complaint)
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I think that was one of the martial Epic Destinies in 4e. The other one I can think of is the one for rogues that let them steal things like someone's will to live.
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Aug 14, 2018 16:28
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I wish I got to play DnD enough to hate a version. I just started DMing a 5e campaign and I've had an ongoing 4e game for a couple years (with only monthly games) and honestly my 4e players should probably be using 5e and visa versa. The 5e players are exploratory and try creative things and the 4e players just kind of slap a finger down on a power they don't ever remember or bother to review and say they cast it. I love the tactical nature of 4e but I can't use it much because I'd murder my players in about 5 seconds since they've never bothered to get a grip on combat or tactics or power usage beyond damage.
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poorlifedecision posted:I wish I got to play DnD enough to hate a version. I just started DMing a 5e campaign and I've had an ongoing 4e game for a couple years (with only monthly games) and honestly my 4e players should probably be using 5e and visa versa. The 5e players are exploratory and try creative things and the 4e players just kind of slap a finger down on a power they don't ever remember or bother to review and say they cast it. poorlifedecision posted:I wish I got to play DnD enough to hate a version. I just started DMing a 5e campaign and I've had an ongoing 4e game for a couple years (with only monthly games) and honestly my 4e players should probably be using 5e and visa versa. The 5e players are exploratory and try creative things and the 4e players just kind of slap a finger down on a power they don't ever remember or bother to review and say they cast it. After a succesful campaign, why not ask them if they would play 4e? It’s been a couple of years for me but I’ve convinced my bunch of players whose only role playing knowledge + experience starts and ends with 5e to start a Delta Green campaign next week.
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Splicer posted:"I defeat Death, and claim immortality" You're not going to gently caress off to create/become your own plane of existence. You're just going to settle in, finally get back to blacksmithing, and generally gently caress with Bahamut every time he tries to pull the incognito old man trick on a group of fresh faced adventurers. I also loved the idea of whatever Rogue epic it was that let you steal concepts from people you "bring to zero hitpoints." Eye color and memories being given examples. You are so good at stealing poo poo, that you became a rainbow bright villain because material wealth bores you. ("Bring to zero hitpoints" was my favorite fine print in 4th ed because you got to get away with more cool poo poo without going full murder hobo. And do hilarious stuff with powers thematically based on "You summon their undead shade!... Uh, even though he's still alive 10 feet away"). Section Z fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Aug 14, 2018 |
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Aug 14, 2018 17:59
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"Hi I'm Davey Sixshadows and I hear you're a badguy" *time passes* "Another successful quest for Davey Sevenshadows"
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Splicer posted:"Hi I'm Davey Sixshadows and I hear you're a badguy"  Why do I love poo poo like this so much?
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Splicer posted:"Hi I'm Davey Sixshadows and I hear you're a badguy" This is how Liches and Dragons operate.
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Last week I started DMing the starter box adventure via Slack for my wife and closest two friends. I'm really enjoying it so far and even spent some $ on D&D Beyond, and I'm considering visiting an Adventurer's League game now. For what I enjoy the system doesn't really matter. If I wanted consistent and mathematically balanced tactical games, I'd play video games. D&D just has the advantage of having the most players, the most infrastructure, the least friction to getting people to play it, vs convincing my friends to learn Earthdawn or something. I've played a little Pathfinder, Star Wars D6, Starfinder, and I've collected tons of books I love that will never get played... the aforementioned Earthdawn, Elric!, etc. I can't get people to play those, but I can get people to play D&D. A mediocre system you can play > a great system you can't get to the table.
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Splicer posted:"Hi I'm Davey Sixshadows and I hear you're a badguy" "The victorious general marched home with his men after a glorious victory. None could topple him or his host, 'til I got my hands on the respect and loyalty of his men." As you continue to swap stories with the wizened old thief, you here a jangling outside his door. Glancing out the window, you see someone has emptied a bag of gold onto his porch. As you turn to comment, he shakes his head and smirks. "As a younger man I stole the devotion of a god. You know, a lesser one, I'm not crazy. Turns out it's hard to get rid of and honestly, more trouble than it's worth." Your eyes turn towards a bejeweled crown and scepter on his mantle. Looking back at him, expecting another wild story, he simply shrugs. "Cut the throat of the man holding em. Not every job calls for subtlety."
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Imagined posted:Last week I started DMing the starter box adventure via Slack for my wife and closest two friends. I'm really enjoying it so far and even spent some $ on D&D Beyond, and I'm considering visiting an Adventurer's League game now. That's great you're having fun with it, and that's exactly the reason why I play D&D myself. I will, however, continue to discuss the problems the system has, how to solve them where they are solvable, recommend different systems as alternatives to those who have the willingness and/or opportunity to try them, and stand against people who use the fact that they enjoy playing the system as some kind of bulwark against criticism. Because, you know, liking bad things is okay. I don't think enough people can get that through their heads, that you can both like something and accept it has faults, or that it might even be - generally speaking - not good.
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:The notion of stealing the intangible is like, an infinite story generator. Before they die, you steal their memory of having just failed. (Stuff like this is why exclaiming "I can't roleplay in this system!" is a running gag with my friends) Section Z fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Aug 14, 2018 |
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