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It's not like forums don't constantly come up with their own terms and slang to make discussion easier and sometimes get over-elaborate with it, Prester Jane just takes it a bit further (having a whole thread on the topic) and it works pretty well for a topic that's usually not well studied or discussed. Getting mad over that and refusing to understand it just makes you look like... yeah, basically that you think they should stop talking because they're inferior. Actually, given I've been pretty effectively blaming everything on poo poo liberals throwing tantrums the moment someone pierces their bubble and tells them that they haven't actually been any help to anyone, I can probably lump that in with the typical reaction; angrily dismiss the argument and throw the most vulnerable person available under the bus to show that you're in charge. Ghost Leviathan fucked around with this message at 02:16 on Aug 11, 2018 |
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Matt Zerella posted:I really hope Kaniela Ing wins tomorrow. How's that looking? Should i be guardedly optimistic?
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Dirk Pitt posted:I went to the doctor yesterday here in Stockholm and paid $20 for a visitation and three lab tests. Thank you Democrats for loving up your chance to actually do something back in 2008. if that had been is the u.s. your annual exam would be free except if they found something (or if you brought up a concern you had), in which case it would be billed as "diagnostic" and subject to your $7,000/year deductible, and the lab tests would have been given to Quest, not in your network, and thus billed to you at the full cost of $500, also subject to your deductible.
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I also hope Ing wins. He's probably my favorite of the recent "promising young leftist candidates."
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Guy Goodbody posted:How's that looking? Should i be guardedly optimistic? Bernie won Hawaii iirc. Might be ok! https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1027986564645670912
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Prester Jane posted:And that's why this issue will continue to fester until it inevitably results in some sort of big dramatic blow up. Maybe we can have a a compact cycle for shitposting,i.e., the sa forums since 3 seconds after inception.
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the Dems have figured out where their priorities lay: accusing people who dislike them of being sexist, and dealing incredibly weak obviously focus-grouped attempts at burns for their legions of paid shills to applaud at https://mobile.twitter.com/peterdaou/status/1028256230668742656
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I'm getting the distinct impression that the agenda of political parties is set by the goals of their primary funders. Thus the loss of unions effectively means the loss of any semblance of representation for the proletariat. Here's my crystal ball vision to borrow a term from PJ: elections will become compaction cycles of the Democrats and Republicans scapegoating the poor of the respectively politically appropriate race leading to a compromise candidate that owns stock in companies using their leverage to prevent a broadly popular public alternative, and ownership of this stock will be played up or down depending on whether the particular demographic of that candidate responds well to ethnocentric concentrations of capital. The poor will continue to be blamed for being denied representation as though participation in capitalism is voluntary on their part, and thus not voting for non-existent representation will be equated to voting against their own best interests. The Democrats will call the white poor racist for not being enthusiastic about supporting investment banker Democrats voting for legalization of red-lining, and the Republicans will call the non-white poor lazy for not voting for the right to discriminate against themselves in hiring practices and supporting their own disenfranchisement. The loss of a white super majority will turn the Republicans outright fascist as simple implications will no longer be enough, while the Democrats will enter a strange era of exploiting the language of the civil rights movement to protect capitalist interests. The former will become increasingly vile, and the latter become increasingly farcical, especially as explicit socialist movements with pan-racial support grow in size. Eventually the fascist underpinnings of the Republicans white nationalism will be given an edge by capitalist stooges allied with the liberals suppressing socialists to protect middle class property interests. The thuggish nature of Trump is either the beginning of, or prelude to this. There is no mechanism to prevent this, and every trend inevitably leads to it. Democracy is becoming a liability to capitalist interests and white nationalists.
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Sneakster posted:I'm getting the distinct impression that the agenda of political parties is set by the goals of their primary funders. Thus the loss of unions effectively means the loss of any semblance of representation for the proletariat. Remove "becoming" and you're there. All you had to do is basic reading on the southern cone of South America in the 70s and 80s to see it in action. Pinochet is the most famous example but others can be found in Argentina and Uruguay. The hilarious thing is the govts that preceded the neoliberal Friedman hellscape experiments weren't even socialist or communist, they were Keynesian social democracies that we're painted as MARXIST by large multinational corporations who wanted to smash unions and remove price controls.
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At least the Libertarians took off the mask and admitted to being a thin veneer of PR for fascism that openly embraced state violence when it turned convenient for them. The sanctimonious pseudo-hippie NAP was more annoying when they were pretending to not be white nationalists who only coincidentally view the state as a Jewish plot to destroy whites.
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https://twitter.com/PeeteySDee/status/1028640123943100416 So yeah, I'm done cheering for Keith. So loving gross if it's true.
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Aug 12, 2018 16:26
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Yeah not much more to be said than that. Can't tolerate this horrible stuff anywhere.
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Maybe it's just as well he didn't end up in charge of the DNC.
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Well, at least I was never particularly invested in him as an option; he's one of the figures I always felt was sort of blown out of proportion by (somewhat understandable) wishful thinking.
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crossposting this here too, but it really looks like these are not fabricated accusations:SKULL.GIF posted:https://twitter.com/keithellison/status/771944320899411968 so yeah... i liked keith but i guess he's just gonna have to go in the trash-heap. what he did is entirely indefensible.
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Aug 12, 2018 17:50
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This took place in 2016/2017, and there's a video recording of assault. If true, this really should result in criminal charges.
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Aug 12, 2018 18:15
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It's bizarre that this lady and her family made these very serious accusations and said she had proof and yet refuses to show any of it (and what she has shown is *very* mild and does not corroborate her story at all). I'm ready to believe her, but you can't say you have 100% incontrovertible truth of someone physically abusing you and then not show it.
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Is this where I can come and state that since Reagan the Republican party has been visibly compromised that sent the US and further the world into a death spiral we are currently on? Accelerated during the Bush election and by the GOP. A combination of gerrymandering, Russian and foreign interference, Nazis and NRA, billionaires weakening the Government thanks to Citizen's United, that this opens up America for sale and influence and that all GOP and Republicans should be voted out and stripped of their citizenship and any conservative mindset should be ground to dust and nuked to salt the earth from their presence because they are the American Taliban just like the gun wielding nutsos in the Pakistani mountains who have more bullets and holy books than guns? Because it's true. Conservatives are the bane of humanity and their mindset is the same mindset that allows Pakistan to be below a third world country. The Republican/Conservative idiots I remember from 2000 still go on today trying to argue and dance around it. Libertarians the same.
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Aug 14, 2018 22:15
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capitalists have always been evil, they didn't need any 'foreign influence' there, all the Reagan explosion did was add the social/evangelical focus to the party
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Gatts posted:Is this where I can come and state that since Reagan the Republican party has been visibly compromised that sent the US and further the world into a death spiral we are currently on? Accelerated during the Bush election and by the GOP. A combination of gerrymandering, Russian and foreign interference, Nazis and NRA, billionaires weakening the Government thanks to Citizen's United, that this opens up America for sale and influence and that all GOP and Republicans should be voted out and stripped of their citizenship and any conservative mindset should be ground to dust and nuked to salt the earth from their presence because they are the American Taliban just like the gun wielding nutsos in the Pakistani mountains who have more bullets and holy books than guns? Everyone with power in the US is basically on a spectrum of "terrible people." The Republicans basically stand for using the government to accelerate the transfer of wealth from the working class to the rich and erase civil rights, while the Democrats stand for passively allowing private entities to transfer wealth from the working class to the rich and erase civil rights (and both stand for varying levels of violence through foreign military involvement). I can't really see a reason to draw a line where the Republicans are beyond the pale and Democrats aren't, even if the former are noticeably worse than the latter.
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I don't think I mentioned anything about the Democrats but that's another sad statement where the assumption is one or the other in our mentality. Maybe we should go Parliment, lol. Or elect Doom. I'm down for a Bernie revolution.
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Gatts posted:I don't think I mentioned anything about the Democrats but that's another sad statement where the assumption is one or the other in our mentality. Maybe we should go Parliment, lol. Or elect Doom. Well, it's the unfortunate reality of our political system that we're basically stuck with one of the major parties (and any attempt to shift away from this would be even more difficult than simply replacing the Democrats with good people). The problem is that pretty much all institutions are captured by the interests of the wealthy (who are the real "bad guys" in this equation, regardless of partisan affiliation). While Republicans are undeniably evil, there's no solution to be found through a focus on them that can't better be accomplished through simply targeting wealthy individuals and businesses.
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sexpig by night posted:going parliament would be great but that's not gonna happen without driving a fuckin tank through the congress you only gotta drive the funk through congress if you want parliament https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4_fYiKUqDU
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sexpig by night posted:capitalists have always been evil, they didn't need any 'foreign influence' there, all the Reagan explosion did was add the social/evangelical focus to the party http://exiledonline.com/recovered-e...be-industrious/ The possession of a cow or two, with a hog, and a few geese, naturally exalts the peasant. . . . In sauntering after his cattle, he acquires a habit of indolence. Quarter, half, and occasionally whole days, are imperceptibly lost. Day labour becomes disgusting; the aversion in- creases by indulgence. And at length the sale of a half-fed calf, or hog, furnishes the means of adding intemperance to idleness. Nor can I conceive a greater curse upon a body of people, than to be thrown upon a spot of land, where the productions for subsistence and food were, in great measure, spontaneous, and the climate required or admitted little care for raiment or covering. “[Direct] legal constraint [to labor] . . . is attended with too much trouble, violence, and noise, . . . whereas hunger is not only a peaceable, silent, unremitted pressure, but as the most natural motive to industry, it calls forth the most powerful exertions. . . . Hunger will tame the fiercest animals, it will teach decency and civility, obedience and subjugation to the most brutish, the most obstinate, and the most perverse.” Poverty is that state and condition in society where the individual has no surplus labour in store, or, in other words, no property or means of subsistence but what is derived from the constant exercise of industry in the various occupations of life. Poverty is therefore a most necessary and indispensable ingredient in society, without which nations and communities could not exist in a state of civilization. It is the lot of man. It is the source of wealth, since without poverty, there could be no labour; there could be no riches, no refinement, no comfort, and no benefit to those who may be possessed of wealth.
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VideoGameVet posted:http://exiledonline.com/recovered-e...be-industrious/ isn't it funny how this plays out over and over again in different ways? NAFTA did lots to drive mexicans off farms, and then impoverish them to the point where they would be driven to seek work in the US or in US owned factories in mexico (a lot of mexico's industry was driven into the ground by "free trade"). likewise, haitians were driven off their farms by america's "free trade", since their farmers were completely unable to compete with subsidized US agriculture, and then they were driven into sweatshops. sweatshops where they are raped, where they make so little they have to deal with loan sharks, and homelessness. and then people go "oh, you want to get rid of the sweatshops? do you want them all to be unemployed and starve to death!?!" as if the sweatshops were charity that relieved poverty instead of poverty being created in order to create a pool of labor for these inhumane places Condiv fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Aug 15, 2018 |
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Gatts posted:I don't think I mentioned anything about the Democrats but that's another sad statement where the assumption is one or the other in our mentality. Maybe we should go Parliment, lol. Or elect Doom. The cure to the American illness won't come from elected officials no matter who we elect or how.
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Trabisnikof posted:The cure to the American illness won't come from elected officials no matter who we elect or how. indirectly it does..
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Crowsbeak posted:indirectly it does.. No it won't. At best, the electing of better politicians will be the result, but it won't be a cause of action. The issue in America isn't that we have bad politicians it is that we have a bad culture, a broken society, and an economy designed to self-destruct. These problems can't be fixed with legislative or executive action. These are problems that can only be fixed on the ground level, block by block. We have to change America first, then and only then will we get the politics we want.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1029798446650277888 Democrats are really bad.
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You would think that the Dem leadership constantly being bodied by Donald loving Trump of all people would be cause for doubting their competence.
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It's both hilarious and rage enducing when Democrats push lovely policies to try and get swing Republicans, lose since there are no swing Republicans, and then the GOP throws it back in their face on why they suck since there are pushing bad things. That Donald Trump, noted cretin, can just dunk on these idiots should be proof enough that their leadership is anything but irreplacable. I dont think there's ever been a more clear case of falling up than them. At least the Republicans are good at scamming. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Aug 15, 2018 |
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Trabisnikof posted:No it won't. At best, the electing of better politicians will be the result, but it won't be a cause of action. Legislation is part of how you change America; these are recursive feedback loops. We're currently in a negative feedback loop but legislation is a necessary part of positive change. M4A and a UBI would give workers more freedom to strike, for example. We've seen this historically -- look at the history of the Progressive movement. Legislative change and block-by-block organizing are not mutually exclusive options; rather, they are mutually reinforcing.
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Trabisnikof posted:No it won't. At best, the electing of better politicians will be the result, but it won't be a cause of action. Oh lol gramscian bs. Somehow its that people are just too blind due to culture.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Legislation is part of how you change America; these are recursive feedback loops. We're currently in a negative feedback loop but legislation is a necessary part of positive change. M4A and a UBI would give workers more freedom to strike, for example. We've seen this historically -- look at the history of the Progressive movement. Legislative change and block-by-block organizing are not mutually exclusive options; rather, they are mutually reinforcing. I think we're at a point beyond which we can expect normal feedback loops like you're imagining to function. If by some grace of god we passed UBI+MFA (in 2021 at the earliest) that's just a drop in the bucket. Just as an example, we need to ban new ICE vehicles and soon. If Democrats in Congress tried to do that, the media and American society at large would pillory them. We won't be able to get legislative solutions until we recognize our society is broken and attend to it first. Crowsbeak posted:Oh lol gramscian bs. Somehow its that people are just too blind due to culture. No nothing as complex as that. Just that America's culture is bad. It isn't the culture that its blinding people, people know whats up and Americans like it. The chuds aren't baying for the death of minorities because they're confused, they're doing it because we've been a country full of evil values since our founding. We've never had that reckoning. America won't be saved by good hearted politicians, it will be saved by finally recognizing the evil values that our power structures are based on and that a huge chunk of our society actively supports.
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Oh wait I'm sorry, it Settlers by the crazy Third World Maoist your channeling.
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Crowsbeak posted:Oh wait I'm sorry, it Settlers by the crazy Third World Maoist your channeling. Of all the people to have faith in legislative solutions, I wouldn’t expect it to be you.
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Trabisnikof posted:Of all the people to have faith in legislative solutions, I wouldn’t expect it to be you. Nah, but I also don't try to charge everyone who ever lived in this country as irredeemably evil.
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Trabisnikof posted:Just as an example, we need to ban new ICE vehicles and soon. If Democrats in Congress tried to do that, the media and American society at large would pillory them. We won't be able to get legislative solutions until we recognize our society is broken and attend to it first. ICE is merely a symptom of the real problem: racist immigration laws. Talking purely about enforcement agencies without tackling the underlying legislative racism is just a distraction tactic. The media would pillory them for doing that, but so what? As the current President of the United States has repeatedly demonstrated, the approval of the media is not necessary to win.
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