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Doyle didn't know. He seemed like a right prick of a person but not the kind of guy who'd bad mouth someone who he knew had mental issues.
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The wife and I just have three episodes left of season 4. She really loves the show and i'm glad to be watching the whole thing for the 2nd time in my life, and with someone special to me at that.  I haven't really seen the show since it originally aired and was brand new.
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Aug 16, 2018 05:31
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Jedit posted:Did Doyle actually know the truth? I thought it was a secret between JMS, O'Hare and Doug Netter. Doyle was a functional alcoholic and a massive rear end in a top hat, so keep that in mind whenever considering anything he said. Payndz posted:Season 3 is probably the high point. Producer Doug Netter fired the original CG house in order to use a company he'd set up (and named after!) himself for season 4 onwards Netter didn't just set up the company; he did a complete smash-and-grab job on Foundation Imaging's staff, hiring the best of them and rendering the company dead in the water. Foundation was on the brink of bankruptcy until it got the contract to work on Star Trek: Voyager.
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Aug 16, 2018 05:52
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:Doyle didn't know. He seemed like a right prick of a person but not the kind of guy who'd bad mouth someone who he knew had mental issues. Oh, he quite possibly would have - he did end up as a talk radio host, after all. But there is a difference between noticing it and being insensitive, and knowing about it and being a twat.
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Aug 16, 2018 07:56
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"Oh, I didn't know he had a mental issue, I thought he was a nut-job. My mistake."
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Aug 16, 2018 08:17
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Lycus posted:"Oh, I didn't know he had a mental issue, I thought he was a nut-job. My mistake." Sometimes people act on a way you or I would call mental but they're just assholes.
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Aug 16, 2018 13:53
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Timby posted:Netter didn't just set up the company; he did a complete smash-and-grab job on Foundation Imaging's staff, hiring the best of them and rendering the company dead in the water. Foundation was on the brink of bankruptcy until it got the contract to work on Star Trek: Voyager. I once read a retrospective on Foundation, and they saw the B5 shenanigans a different way; they kept the people who were trying to push the boundaries of television VFX, while Netter took the ones whose main concern was a paycheque. (There was also allegedly some underhanded stuff going on with future Netter hires taking assets and backups while they were still employed by Foundation.) Of course, that's their version of the story! So the likes of Rob Bonchune, Mojo, John Teska and Doug Drexler stayed at FI despite the company being on the verge of closure, and went on to do some pretty amazing work on Voyager and DS9. Small Strange Bird fucked around with this message at 15:23 on Aug 16, 2018 |
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Aug 16, 2018 15:20
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Payndz posted:And in doing so, he unwittingly set up the standard operating practice for producers in the CGI era. Some major producer was once quoted as saying he didn't consider himself to have done his job properly until he'd driven at least one VFX company into bankruptcy on each of his movies. I can't help but wonder, is it possible for the movie industry to wake up one day and find that there's not enough VFX talent to go around because everyone's been run into the ground? Wouldn't there be a point where nobody starts effects houses because there's no profit to be made, and too many existing houses went under?
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Aug 16, 2018 18:48
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I can't help but wonder, is it possible for the movie industry to wake up one day and find that there's not enough VFX talent to go around because everyone's been run into the ground? Wouldn't there be a point where nobody starts effects houses because there's no profit to be made, and too many existing houses went under?
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Aug 16, 2018 21:52
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Jedit posted:Sometimes people act on a way you or I would call mental but they're just assholes. I'm not inclined to give Doyle the benefit of the doubt, though.
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Aug 16, 2018 22:06
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I can't help but wonder, is it possible for the movie industry to wake up one day and find that there's not enough VFX talent to go around because everyone's been run into the ground? Wouldn't there be a point where nobody starts effects houses because there's no profit to be made, and too many existing houses went under? If you can make a nickel today, why care about tomorrow?
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Aug 16, 2018 22:17
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The cruel thing about the entertainment industry is that there are more often than not, lots of people who cluster around willing to underbid their fellow workers in the hopes of one day hitting the big time, and the bulk of them never do and just waste their lives being taken advantage of. You see similar patterns with college sports and drug dealers.
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SlothfulCobra posted:The cruel thing about the entertainment industry is that there are more often than not, lots of people who cluster around willing to underbid their fellow workers in the hopes of one day hitting the big time, and the bulk of them never do and just waste their lives being taken advantage of. And research science 
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And anything where people want to do it for reasons other than just getting paid - doctors, teachers, firemen, etc.
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I'm amazed at the sheer number of gangs on babylon 5. This station harbors the worst criminal elements in the galaxy and its leadership routinely chooses to ignore them, leaving it up to vigilantes
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jerry seinfel posted:I'm amazed at the sheer number of gangs on babylon 5. This station harbors the worst criminal elements in the galaxy and its leadership routinely chooses to ignore them, leaving it up to vigilantes Brown sector is literally miles of abandoned decks that were only used for constructing Babylon 5. It's like trying to police the worst neighbourhood imaginable, only with thousands of hidden passages, vents, and hidey-holes that nobody could ever find. Going in there with a PPG and a badge just means someone in there is getting a free PPG.
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Aug 19, 2018 18:31
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There are people who have lived in weird forgotten rooms in shopping malls for years. I figure it's like that.
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Aug 19, 2018 18:50
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I like how Earth and humanity, unlike in pretty much every other sci-fi show and game, is more of a malevolent force than anything else most of the time. It doesn't even get better with time, since they're actively trying to discredit the ISA later by manipulating history and then they go and destroy themselves
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Aug 19, 2018 21:40
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It ties into the overall theme of the show - the unending fight between order and chaos. Although it's a little confused, politically, since fascism is all about strict order and control and Earth is always getting 'corrupted' by the chaos faction. Let's not forget Clark turning the orbital lasers onto Earth once he'd lost, although I agree that Garibaldi sending Earth back to the dark ages is pretty awesome.
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Yes, it's an enclosed space station, but it's still a quarter of a million people with ships coming and going and station security isn't there to enforce whatever the equivalent of immigration is. People probably show up on at the station and never leave.
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Aug 20, 2018 11:28
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V-Men posted:Yes, it's an enclosed space station, but it's still a quarter of a million people with ships coming and going and station security isn't there to enforce whatever the equivalent of immigration is. People probably show up on at the station and never leave. This is explicitly stated by Garibaldi; People turn up hoping for a job and a new life, their credits run out, and they wind up homeless in Brown Sector.
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Aug 20, 2018 11:33
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It's plausible for some kind of underground to get built up like that, but it seems like it'd take more than 2 or 3 years to happen. Makes Garibaldi seem kinda poo poo at his job if he just started out totally ignoring a whole region of the station. kingturnip posted:It ties into the overall theme of the show - the unending fight between order and chaos. Although it's a little confused, politically, since fascism is all about strict order and control and Earth is always getting 'corrupted' by the chaos faction. I don't think fascism is exactly based on control so much as "control over the people" is a thinly veiled excuse for wild arbitrary acts of violence. Fascist regimes tend to be a mess organizationally with competing jurisdictions and underlings fighting with each other. We didn't really see much of that aside from the fact that Clark set up a secondary military organization within the military that tried to stage a coup.
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SlothfulCobra posted:It's plausible for some kind of underground to get built up like that, but it seems like it'd take more than 2 or 3 years to happen. The down below felt like social commentary on how people view the homeless. There are multiple instances of the characters outright admitting that they hate the homeless, ignore that they exist, and in some cases want to outright murder them. Having lived in a major city, I can confirm this is the sentiment of most people towards the homeless.
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Jerry Doyle was a pretty right conservative (I’m sure he would call himself a libertarian) and he brought a lot of that into the character so it makes sense he would ignore the poor until he needs to shoot them.
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SlothfulCobra posted:I don't think fascism is exactly based on control so much as "control over the people" is a thinly veiled excuse for wild arbitrary acts of violence. Fascist regimes tend to be a mess organizationally with competing jurisdictions and underlings fighting with each other. We didn't really see much of that aside from the fact that Clark set up a secondary military organization within the military that tried to stage a coup. And empowered the Psi-Corps to operate as a military in their own right, at least on Mars. And the Corps itself was never a unified faction...
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Aug 20, 2018 16:25
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Just finished the first season. The only thing that bugs me about the show is the music. It's bad. Really bad. I'm enjoying the crap out of the show so far though. What the heck happened to Commander space john kerry though??? Contract dispute or something? Like here's a new commander, and I guess he's okay, but I'll miss space john kerry. 
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Kurr de la Cruz posted:Just finished the first season. The only thing that bugs me about the show is the music. It's bad. Really bad. I'm enjoying the crap out of the show so far though. What the heck happened to Commander space john kerry though??? Contract dispute or something? Like here's a new commander, and I guess he's okay, but I'll miss space john kerry. He was schizophrenic and had to leave the show because he was dissociating/hallucinating.
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Kurr de la Cruz posted:Just finished the first season. The only thing that bugs me about the show is the music. It's bad. Really bad. I'm enjoying the crap out of the show so far though. What the heck happened to Commander space john kerry though??? Contract dispute or something? Like here's a new commander, and I guess he's okay, but I'll miss space john kerry. The actor was batshit crazy.
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Pick posted:He was schizophrenic and had to leave the show because he was dissociating/hallucinating. Awww, that sucks. I liked him. Does he come back?
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Kurr de la Cruz posted:Awww, that sucks. I liked him. Does he come back? Yes but only in a limited capacity.
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Here's a Youtube video of him giving a talk at a convention back in the mid-90s. I think there may be a few spoilers if you've only seen the first season, but not certain as it's been a while since I watched the video all the way through. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pR5IuVptRw
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Aug 20, 2018 17:08
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Show still has Londo, and he's still awesome, so I'm still quite optimistic with the show. Prehensile dong and everything, Londo is my fave. Does the music get any better? That's really the only cringey part to me.
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Aug 20, 2018 17:33
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londo is the best aspect of the show, it is impossible for you to be disappointed with that arc
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Aug 20, 2018 17:35
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Don't like Lando just yet. Him and G'Kar have one of the best arcs on the show, but Lando is an evil piece of poo poo.
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Aug 20, 2018 17:42
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Londo is the actual central character of the show, not the captain.
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Kurr de la Cruz posted:Does the music get any better? That's really the only cringey part to me. Wow, this is like the wrongest opinion in the history of everything. Edit: I guess I don't remember the first season music as especially different, although most of the best music is probably yet to come.
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Aug 20, 2018 17:47
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Kurr de la Cruz posted:Show still has Londo, and he's still awesome, so I'm still quite optimistic with the show. Prehensile dong and everything, Londo is my fave. I think the composer gets better at writing music as the show goes on, but it's still a lot of synthesizers, so if that's what you're unhappy about I don't think you'll get much joy there. That said I think Babylon 5's music is extremely fitting for the show, I love it.
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Londo is the best space bro and I would totally party with him erry day. That doesn't mean I'd trust him lol. Kosh does a thing that drives me nuts, though: Answer A or B questions with "Yes". God. Damnit.  And the cringey bit is the space battle music. I guess Trek has spoiled me, because the cheezy synth trumpets just make me lol. It's not a big deal, isn't ruining the show for me at all. I also really like how the earth government is surprisingly lovely, I wasn't expecting. Also was that Jeff Combs towards the end of S1???? 
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Kurr de la Cruz posted:Also was that Jeff Combs towards the end of S1???? Keep and eagle eye and you'll be seeing Majel Barrett eventually too. And Walter Koenig in a role he liked better than Chekov.
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God I love reading posts of people watching this show for the first time.
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