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Roller Coast Guard posted:Are the premium ships available for coal or steel worth buying? Or should I blow those resources on crates or something? For Steel, the Flint is pretty much an Atlanta with a little less health and swaps Radar for a Smoke, making it more of a heavy destroyer/british CL with access to HE spam. It's still got the ridiculous Atlanta guns. Also the Black is kind of like a Fletcher with long range (but slow) torps and packs a short-range Radar. For Coal, you've got the Musashi which is a Yamato at tier 9 with bad AA and slightly more inaccurate (but still 460mm) guns. That's about it, the rest of the ships are gimmicky or not worth it aside from collecting. The Salem's a Des Moines with crappy radar and british BB tier repair party. But more importantly, it doesn't seem to get the premium ship bonus for credits and xp and as such a Des Moines with permanent camo will earn more money and xp than a Salem with the same. It's not worth it when the Musashi's right there and cheaper. The Aigle's a weird DD that has lots of health, an insane engine boost, big guns for a DD and hard hitting torps. But she's fat on the turn, her guns rotate on molasses and the torps are slow and have horrible firing arcs. The October Revolution is a BB with a unique Damage Control Party that reloads ridiculously fast. But she's a dreadnaught style BB at tier 5 (so fat, slow but heavily armored) and that damage control has limited charges. Pretty good when top tier but not great when bottom tier. And the Yubari & Campbell town are only good for collecting because they're below tier 5  I'd say the Steel ships are worth it and the Musashi is worth saving up for (since with a coupon you'll get one way faster than trying the free xp route.) EponymousMrYar fucked around with this message at 08:46 on Aug 16, 2018 |
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Campbeltown is good if you are a horrible monster who likes stealth torping clueless T3s(I only do this like once a month please don't hate me). Not sure if I'd spend coal on it though, got it from some mission way back when myself. I'm kinda torn between saving for the Salem or the Musashi myself. Really could use a credit farming ship and the Musashi is the best choice for that, but it seems terminally boring to play. bloom fucked around with this message at 09:07 on Aug 16, 2018 |
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EponymousMrYar posted:And the Yubari & Campbell town are only good for collecting because they're below tier 5 While I'd only get these when I've got every other coal ship having these ships means you can't get them in xmas boxes (apparently when the boxes are opened it looks if you have the ship and gives you another ship if you do)
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Just your reminder that if you have Steel, and do not own a Black, you should get a Black. Do you recall the time the Fletcher was the best T9 DD? Wait, it still is? And the Black is a Fletcher with RADAR? yeah its some broke-rear end poo poo, Belfast level broken. Sure, the torps are different, you lose the 10.5kms for 13.7kms that go super slow, but they also reload stupidly fast, are almost as stealthy as deepwaters (but aren't actually deepwaters), and do IJN torp level damage. You don't see more Blacks because not a lot of people have the necessary patience or braincells to get 5 Rank 1s to earn one. Hazdoc fucked around with this message at 10:11 on Aug 16, 2018 |
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Aug 16, 2018 10:08
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I don't think the DM outearns the Salem though, doesn't the Salem have default reduced service costs plus premium camo?
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All of this is moot, the only steel ship worth getting now is Stalingrad, which just got buffed (lmao) before being made final ST. Soviet Cruiser Stalingrad Tier X Basic visibility changed from 18.72 to 18.12 km. Visibility during firing in a smoke from Main Battery has been reduced from 15.58 to 14.87 km. “Defensive AA Fire” consumable has been added to the extra slot: Number of charges: 2 (Defensive AA Fire l) and 3 (Defensive AA Fire ll). Reload time: 240 (Defensive AA Fire l) and 180 (Defensive AA Fire ll). Duration: 60 seconds. AA damage increase: +100%. These are final changes and soon this ship will be added to the Arsenal for steel exchange. We would like to sum up and anounnce the cruisers final statistics. Stalingrad is a heavy cruiser with an impressive 305 mm caliber and significant combat capacity – 72 450. The ship has two types of ammunition: High-explosive (HE) and Armor-piercing (AP). HE characteristics: Initial velocity – 950 m/sec; maximum damage – 4500; chance of fire – 33%. AP characteristics: Initial velocity – 950 m/sec; maximum damage – 9200; Reduced shell arming threshold – 34 mm; improved ricochet angle settings: automatic ricochet happens at 65 degrees and possible ricochet may happen at 55 degrees. Reload time – 20 seconds, Sigma value of 2.65. The ship has the same dispersion ellipse as Graf Spee. It’s more than an average cruiser has, but less in comparison to a typical battleship. Maximum firing range - 20 350 meters. Armour – 25 mm. It’s worth mentioning that armour of casemate and the forward armour belt is 50 mm and with good citadel armour. This gives good potential to avoid damage from cruisers high-explosive shells and even ricochet the biggest shell in the game (460 mm) at acute angles. Number of charges of “Damage Control Party” is infinite. “Repair Party” restores 33% of citadel’s damage. Fire duration – 45 seconds. Detectability radius of Stalingrad is comparable to that of battleships at tier X. The large citadel is the same as that found on the cruiser 'Moskva'. All of which makes Stalingrad players carefully pick his battles and choose his maneuvers wisely. The Cruisers ballistics allow effective fire at any distance with a high chance of penetration. The unique dispersion ellipse gives this ship pretty high accuracy but at the same time is less efficient than that of any other tier X cruiser. The main goal for Stalingrad is to fire against heavily armored targets with armor-piercing shells which deal a lot of damage. Due to reduced shell arming threshold and high-explosive shells this cruiser may battle with other ships as well. It’s worth noting that reduced shell arming threshold has been reduced from 51 to 34 mm and that allows shells to arm at light and medium armored targets and deal more consistent damage. It looks like Stalingrads guns have everything needed to make this cruiser a versatile ship, however, its reload time is 20 seconds. To reach maximum efficiency, having a relatively low damage per minute and requirements to its commander, this cruisers owner should chose targets wisely and keep their distance. “Defense AA Fire” gives Stalingrad protection from aircraft attacks for a long period of time. It also increases bomb dropping zone and torpedoes of the enemys aircraft for a minute, though does not give a boost of AA efficiency like other ships with similar consumables. After using this consumable cruiser will be vulnerable to aircraft because of the cooldown of 3-4 minutes. In summary, this cruiser could be effective against any ship class: the amount of HP allows it to fight against battleships, its armor-piercing shells will frighten any cruiser, and destroyers and aircraft carriers can be countered with consumables like “Surveillance Radar” and “Defense AA Fire”. However, players should be attentive to the battle situation. In unfavorable circumstances Stalingrad won’t be able to change position quickly because of weak maneuverability characteristics and the large dimensions of her hull. It will also important to pay attention to close combat situations where Stalingrad is especially vulnerable because of her large citadel and poor agility. NTRabbit fucked around with this message at 14:55 on Aug 16, 2018 |
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But the new Japanese gunboat DDs that are "Anti Aircraft specialists", can't turn without the assistance of a tugboat, and get outrun by some battleships, DFAA would be a bridge too far.
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I agree with both of you, but will note that this DFAA merely gives +100% DPS, as opposed to the +200% on other cruisers, so it still won't exactly be chopping planes out of the air like the others with said consumable running, unless fully specced in that direction. The more valuable part is getting the scatter effect for longer, but the ship is large and sluggish enough that CVs should still be able to land hits even under that effect. Not that the ship isn't a horrifically OP piece of garbage, but giving it DFAA isn't exactly the straw that broke the camel's back. Far, far worse is stuff like the loving favorable bounce angles on 305mm railguns.
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Hazdoc posted:Just your reminder that if you have Steel, and do not own a Black, you should get a Black. I absolutely don’t have the patience (or possibly brain cells) to do that; in fact, now that I am thinking about it, I don’t have the patience (or possibly the brain cells) to engage in bullshit try-hard clan battles either. So I suspect I will never own a Black, Flint, Stalingrad, or insert whatever OP try-hard ship wargaming offers as ranked or clan battle rewards here.
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Darkrenown posted:I don't think the DM outearns the Salem though, doesn't the Salem have default reduced service costs plus premium camo? It's the exact same Type 20 camo that you can get on the Des Moines. So yeah, if you have a Des Moines without permanent camo then a Salem probably earns more, but from what I've seen people say that's it. Salem doesn't get any further modifiers to credits/xp other than the 'free' permanent camo.
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Not sure what is going on but a lot of people are taking forever to load the match. All day I've had at least 1-2 people just sit there afk the whole match and last match I had 5 teammates load several minutes late.
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Class Warcraft posted:Not sure what is going on but a lot of people are taking forever to load the match. All day I've had at least 1-2 people just sit there afk the whole match and last match I had 5 teammates load several minutes late. I legit rammed a slow loading/afk Kagero into B Cap and left him on Warrior's Path with my Neptune today I was so tired of it. He got the cap too haha
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Finally got Operation Hermes actually completed today. With 5 stars even. All it took was being one of two boats not in a clan division who was doing it 
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Hermes is a bit of a tanking/dps check. If you get unlucky and have a team with only 2 BB's it's a struggle. Go in there with like 4 Richies and it's easy, just braindead sail forward and keep shooting.
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masterpine posted:Hermes is a bit of a tanking/dps check. If you get unlucky and have a team with only 2 BB's it's a struggle. Go in there with like 4 Richies and it's easy, just braindead sail forward and keep shooting. not just richies, gascans work very well in it as well.
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I have been getting mostly cruiser runs on it, although I did have one 3 BB run that ended much like the rest: the last three DD's unloaded a wall of torps and none of the BB's were in a position to body block the Ruan so it went down. The group that I finished with had most of them huddling around the Ruan at the final stretch while one of them hung back to shred the Graf Zepplin and us non-divisioned cruisers went ahead to try and head off those last 3 dd's.
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Gascan is beast mode on Hermes. I just rammed two of the destroyers at the end on my way to dev-strike the carrier lol
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 Their Ranger decided to charge into sight and I spend a while shooting the crap out of it in exchange for taking three or four torpedoes because I had accidentally run aground. Then I charged an Alabama and two CLs trying to end around through D and blew up the first CL with a torp before sliding behind an island with ~1000 HP left. Then I healed and popped out to support a very brave New Mexico who eventually rammed the Alabama to death and I got the last CL with another torpedo.
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Gotta love DDs who are so terrified of radar they sit in smoke behind their entire team while spamming "noob team kill radar ships" in chat. Like I know it sucks to deal with radar as a DD but I'm not really sure how they expect the radars to die when the enemy has perfect vision and no one can advance without eating torps or BB volleys. No, I'm not salty about losing 3 Roon games in a row because my team had no caps, why do you ask.
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There has been a rise of intolerably bad destroyer players ever since shortly after the legendary upgrades were released. We've been seeing tier 8~ DDs without CE or the concealment module or either on Asia. I'm not quite sure what else could explain it, maybe the sharks versus eagles event adds to this. It might be confirmation bias due to limited personal exposure, but it is fairly common for Gearings to have neither. 
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Why would they sit in smoke if they afraid of radar?
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Herr Bazooka posted:Why would they sit in smoke if they afraid of radar? You see a lot of people who still don't get how it works - I radar high tier DD's all the time who respond by popping smoke and trying to slow down in it. I do think a lot of it is on WG for not really making this stuff clear, like OK, the radar thing you should get pretty quickly, but, honestly a ton of the "basic mechanics" of the game are totally not obvious and the only way you'd know is obsessively inspecting posts and wikis or watching youtube vids.
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Honestly when I first got to high enough tiers to face radar I was really confused as to what kinda magic stealth ship was hydroing me without getting spotted. WG is incredibly bad at explaining the mechanics of their games. Armor mechanics are still largely a mystery to me because I can't be bothered to memorize every ship's gun caliber and penetration angles and bow armor and whatever the gently caress else. It wasn't until two weeks ago that I found out there's a way to activate free cam while you're still alive and that's only because I was watching a youtube video while eating.
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Didn't there used to be different icons for being hydroed or radared? I think wg removed it for a stupid reason.
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bloom posted:Honestly when I first got to high enough tiers to face radar I was really confused as to what kinda magic stealth ship was hydroing me without getting spotted. WG is incredibly bad at explaining the mechanics of their games. You loving newb, OBVIOUSLY 380 / 14 > 27, why did you even TRY to loving angle, jesus christ reported.
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This game is utter poo poo and it is a mistake whenever I think about opening it. First game: Bombed by a Lexington with AP bombs for 3/4 of my health. Then torped. Total game time: 3m37s. Second game: In a cruiser, get spotted by a DD. Citadelled completely from the front by a Yamato 17KM away. total time: 2m45s. Great loving mechanics.
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I for one am glad that stealth firing has gone the way of the dodo. I'm pretty sure that's the crap that got me to quit this in the first place.
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 according to wows-numbers, if this retarded poo poo goes on for another 21 battles so i actually get onto the leaderboard, i'll be the top seattle player on the eu server, with the best damage but worst win rate. it's currently my highest average damage ship, above all my t10's including the des moines, moskva, montana, yamato and even the loving hakuryu. it took five games to get a win in this thing today and i was averaging around 150k damage. this is what happens when you just keep getting games where your team just kinda sits around wriggling ineffectively while dying. you have all the opportunities in the world to hold a flank and murder poo poo while everything collapses around you.  toadee, here are some replays from today if you want to see me suffer TheFluff fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Aug 18, 2018 |
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I swear I am cursed in the Lo Yang. I just lose so much in it, specifically. I even have other DDs and do fine in other ships. Just... my win rate is inexplicably bad in Lo Yang lately. Evil_Greven fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Aug 18, 2018 |
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Heartcatch posted:There has been a rise of intolerably bad destroyer players There has, and it's horrible. Meanwhile I got to watch this fucknut sail his Saipan towards the enemy team at full throttle, then start to turn around in the middle of the map and die. Guessing he's another bot.
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Evil_Greven posted:I swear I am cursed in the Lo Yang. I just lose so much in it, specifically. Loyang is a great cap bully but it is exceptionally fragile. It's very easy to die if spotted for any length of time. It reallllly shines in Ranked, where you're typically just facing off with one same-tier DD and you have a much better idea of where supporting fire is going to come from. TheFluff posted:
Thanks! I'm very curious - I don't do nearly that level of damage and I'm sure I'm missing a lot of opportunities.
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Weekend crew
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So i got my first ship from a supercontainer! Ive been playing since CBT and im really excited to finally pull a ship from a container! its a krasny krym. dammit. Least it comes with a 10pt captain?
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toadee posted:You loving newb, OBVIOUSLY 380 / 14 > 27, why did you even TRY to loving angle, jesus christ reported. They should incorporate the aim cursor that's in tanks so it turns green if you can penetrate.
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rotaryfun posted:They should incorporate the aim cursor that's in tanks so it turns green if you can penetrate. Nope, you're just gonna have to memorize the thickness of every section of armor on every ship in the game.
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Evil_Greven posted:I swear I am cursed in the Lo Yang. I just lose so much in it, specifically.
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toadee posted:Thanks! I'm very curious - I don't do nearly that level of damage and I'm sure I'm missing a lot of opportunities. Well, it's also a lot about what opportunities the game gives you. On some maps and with some teams you will simply never have any opportunities to farm damage at all.
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Honestly as bad as radar is, BB AP doing massive penetration damage to destroyers is by far the most game breaking poo poo. Just loving absurd. 14k from 3 full pens and some overpens on my completely broadside Yueyang at 12km. I fear Yamato and Montana AP more than I do Zao and Moskva HE.
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TheFluff posted:Well, it's also a lot about what opportunities the game gives you. On some maps and with some teams you will simply never have any opportunities to farm damage at all. I've had a couple of those for sure (a Two Brothers match where after going to one flank and helping to burn down a BB and a DD that went there, the entire rest of their team was spotted... running away on the other side. I got maybe 1 minute of firing in on them before the match ended). Also a couple where I know I was very valuable, but had poo poo damage (l spent early game just pushing DDs out of a cap, late game saw where people were headed, we recovered from a score of 250 to 700 after I finished off 2 DDs and a Myoko that were low/medium health when I positioned to cut off their attempted flank. Ended with 4 kills and 60k damage heh). That said though, I can plainly tell based on others average damage etc that I'm also just not putting myself in places where those opportunities are all the time.
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