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powderific posted:Just because the mount is wider doesn't mean you can't put an APS-C sensor behind it, but I do think that Nikon is going to be going straight up full frame on the new mount, at least for now. Since this is the first new mount they've made in a million years they're trying to make it as adaptable as possible I'd think. Yeah like, why wouldnt you be able to? Crop lenses can just focus the light down to an apsc sized area. Just like ef and efs.
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With the restructuring / new strategy Nikon is specifically putting their focus on higher end stuff rather than the continuing to shrink entry level. I don't think they honestly have the resources to build out a reasonable amount of glass for both APS-C and full frame sensors, so it makes sense for them to prioritize full frame.
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Everyone in the land of mirrorless has a hard-on for IBIS, and a tight mount works against that.
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The new Nikon mount is the same width as the Fuji GFX, so it's allowing them to develop medium format in the future. In the meantime, it allows f0.95 lenses, one of which will launch with the camera. And as Powderific alluded to, Nikon's cutting off almost all entry level stuff and focusing heavily on the Pro market. Their latest financials show this. Revenue is down, and profits are way up.
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Pablo Bluth posted:Everyone in the land of mirrorless has a hard-on for IBIS, and a tight mount works against that. FWIW lens-based VR is nice from a backwards compatibility standpoint, since I can shoot film on an F5 body with stabilization. I suppose IBIS is more desirable if you're rocking the latest body. Edit: I'd be very surprised if Nikon's initial Z-mount body had any sort of IBIS, given that it isn't a feature of their F-mount or CX-mount mirrorless cameras. Father O'Blivion fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Aug 11, 2018 |
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I am pretty excited for the new Nikon and feeling optimistic it's gonna be cool. Please do not let me down Nikon. Also, for all you Fuji lovers (of which I am one), I'm selling some crisp clean Fuji gear in SAmart (X-E3, 35mmF2, 16-55, etc.)  .
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Pablo Bluth posted:Everyone in the land of mirrorless has a hard-on for IBIS, and a tight mount works against that. How hard does it make it? The Sony E-Mount has one of the shallowest flange focal distances (18mm) and the a6500 has IBIS. The only major ones that was shallower was the Nikon 1 mount (17mm) and Fuji X-Mount (17.7mm). I'm asking because I really don't know much about it, but with Sony having it I'm a bit surprised to hear that it's hard to do.
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Got a Peak Design Slide Lite for my X-E2s annnnnnnd the battery door is too close to the tripod mount to use the bottom plate, which is a bummer as using that as a mount point makes the camera point down instead of straight out. Any ideas for a way to move it?
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Everyone knows that Fuji were, ah, inspired by the Leica M series cameras in their design for the X-Pro1&2, but what was the basis for the X-T1&2? I think it's the Contax RTS III:   It seems pretty obvious, and I bet if you've seen one before you've probably figured it out already. I've browsed a lot of wikis and film camera blogs and have yet to come across any other camera that shares as many body design cues with the X-T as the RTS III. Except maybe the very similar Contax ST. One Fuji designer has claimed that they modeled the X-T1 on the Fujica ST901:  To me, it looks more like an ancestor of the X-T10&20:  Of course Fuji can also call back to its own product line for plausible in-house predecessors for the the X-Pro, but in that case only the older medium-format rangefinders bear much of a resmblance:  A couple of cues that the X-Pro takes from the GW690 III are the sloping top plate on the right-hand side, and the grip. Otherwise it's pretty close to the newer 35mm Leica M's:  I started out looking around to make sure that the RTS III really was the closest ancestor of the X-T1. I confirmed that for myself, but ended up finding more similarities between the X-Pro and the GW690 III than I had expected. Interesting.
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Aredna posted:How hard does it make it? The Sony E-Mount has one of the shallowest flange focal distances (18mm) and the a6500 has IBIS.
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How are people feeling about the Fujifilm XF10? If it’s good it could be a new Ricoh GR, even if it needs a silly lens cap. From what I can gather when I’m reading about it, most seem strangely pessimistic and I can’t really understand why.
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Xabi posted:How are people feeling about the Fujifilm XF10? If it’s good it could be a new Ricoh GR, even if it needs a silly lens cap. From what I can gather when I’m reading about it, most seem strangely pessimistic and I can’t really understand why. I think it's more people are really disappointed it's not an X70 replacement than the XF10 being a bad camera per se. It's an interesting concept but not targeted at enthusiasts, which seems odd at first but I think they're trying to grow their market. I think Sony has a better "first good camera" for people coming from phones with the RX100 series but $500 gets you a mark II, maybe a III used. The $499 new price point on the XF10 is I think one of the most important things about it. After several months with my X100F the idea of a pocketable camera with the same controls and wider lens makes me excited. I'd really want it to have a viewfinder, though.
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Hello mirrorless thread! This might get long so I apologize in advance. I recently took a trip to Europe that made me excited about photography again so I'm looking to upgrade my current kit. I originally was going to switch back to Canon because I was offered access to employee discounts, but it turns out their discounts for their FF stuff isn't large enough for me to justify the leap. Since I'm no longer tied to Canon only I'm exploring my options, I currently shoot Fuji and I generally love the results, I have a few small gripes that I'd like to fix as I start shooting again more frequently. Current Gear (with gripes): - Fuji XT-10 Body (AF can be a little wonky and adjusting AF points is annoying, would love better low light but it does okay there) - Fuji 35mm F1.4 (AF can be a little slow but that might be the body) - Fuji 18-55 F2.8-4 (I wish it had a constant aperture, everything else having a physical indicator but this lens feels weird, I'd also like a wider aperture on the long end for portraits) I've toyed with the idea of going over to Sony for an A7ii or iii, but the lenses are extremely expensive on top of the bodies (at least for the iii) costing way more than I could grab an XPro-2 or XT-2 for, so I'm leaning towards staying with Fuji. I'm basically debating between the Pro-2, XT-2 or potentially waiting on the XT-3 (rumored to be announced next month), I thought about going with an X100F, but ultimately think limiting my focal range would end up being annoying in the long run. Additionally, not sure what to do lens wise, the 18-55 on my trip made me think having a zoom was super useful for carrying just one lens around, but there's something magical about Fujis with primes. I don't shoot anything specific, but it'll be used as a carry around camera, for friends/family (children in the not too distant future) and I used to shoot cars a lot and want to get back into it. Curious about people's experiences with going prime only and any ideas on what you guys would get to upgrade what I'm working with. My current gear is worth around $1,100 or so based on Amazon listings and I'm willing to throw another $1,000-1,500 into things, so $2,500 total in kit value is around what I'm looking at.
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I'm a little nervous about going 35mm equivalent only for travel with my X100F, more for wide stuff or shots in tight places than zoom but I bought the thing to challenge myself. I've been seriously considering bringing my RX100 as well but 2 cameras seems pretty grognard even though the RX100 is smaller and lighter than most lenses. At this point I'm planning to roll with what I've got until there's an X-Pro3 or maybe X-E4 then make the jump to ILC.
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Ouhei posted:Hello mirrorless thread! This might get long so I apologize in advance. I have been mostly a prime only photographer for many years, it's very doable. If I were you I'd sell the 18-55mm and XT-10, then get a used XT-2, 10-24mm f/4 and a 50mm f/2. (substitute Xpro2 if you prefer RF style or if you find one cheaper). OR an XT-2 56mm f/1.2 and either a 14 or 16mm lens for the wide end. Honestly the best way to decide is to look at your lightroom catalog sorted by focal length and see your most common FOVs.
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Re: XT10/35mm/18-55mm upgrade Yeah I would upgrade the body first to get the most improvement; then get a fast prime next to help you decide which of the older lens you want to let go. I personally sold my 35mm/1.4 and kept the 18-55mm. I still use it a lot whenever I want to snap the baby or go to a member gathering. But whenever I went out to enjoy shooting, I found myself taking the 16mm most the time over the 35mm/1.4.
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8th-snype posted:I have been mostly a prime only photographer for many years, it's very doable. If I were you I'd sell the 18-55mm and XT-10, then get a used XT-2, 10-24mm f/4 and a 50mm f/2. (substitute Xpro2 if you prefer RF style or if you find one cheaper). OR an XT-2 56mm f/1.2 and either a 14 or 16mm lens for the wide end. With the current firmware is there much of a difference in the pro2 and t2? I know at some point the t2 had slightly faster AF, but I don't know if the pro2 caught up with an update. tino posted:Re: XT10/35mm/18-55mm upgrade I think that's what I'll do (body upgrade), just gotta pick one first. I do love the 18-55 for what it is, but there's something about the shots out of the 35mm that make me just never want to give up that lens.
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qirex posted:I'm a little nervous about going 35mm equivalent only for travel with my X100F, more for wide stuff or shots in tight places than zoom but I bought the thing to challenge myself. I've been seriously considering bringing my RX100 as well but 2 cameras seems pretty grognard even though the RX100 is smaller and lighter than most lenses. Occasionally it's annoying but the small size and low weight make up for it several times over. Imo the main thing they could do to improve it would be making it even smaller and lighter with the same lens (or IBIS but I doubt thats possible)
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The AF speed is now the same. I own an Xpro2 and an XT-2. The main differences are the EVF and form factor (and video but you didn't mention that). The XT-2 has a much better EVF (not that the Xpro2's is bad) and the SLR style body is more comfortable if you plan to use long lenses, even the 55-200mm is awkward on the RF bodies. Oh and the XT has a tilty screen. The Xpro2 has the OVF and far more comfortable controls when using prime lenses imo. You should try both and see what you like.
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Ouhei posted:I'll sort my LR catalog tonight, great idea. I like the idea of the 10-24 and 50mm, gives me something really wide, then my 35 covers normal and the 50 would do portrait duty. I’ve got a 10-24 up for sale if interested!
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8th-snype posted:The AF speed is now the same. I own an Xpro2 and an XT-2. The main differences are the EVF and form factor (and video but you didn't mention that). The XT-2 has a much better EVF (not that the Xpro2's is bad) and the SLR style body is more comfortable if you plan to use long lenses, even the 55-200mm is awkward on the RF bodies. Oh and the XT has a tilty screen. The Xpro2 has the OVF and far more comfortable controls when using prime lenses imo. You should try both and see what you like. Sweet, I agree on the form factors, the XPro-2 feels like it should almost only paired with primes while the XT-2 can work with either. From a pure aesthetics stand point the Pro-2 is about as pretty as a camera can get, but the flexibility and extra few features on the XT-2 might be nice too. I don't really care a ton about video, it's nice to have, but it's going to be stills for the most part. holocaust bloopers posted:I’ve got a 10-24 up for sale if interested! I'll take a look and let you know if I figure out what I'm doing!
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For what its worth, the 35mm 1.4 usually sell for around 400 on ebay and the XF 18-55mm for around 300. That is almost enough for the 16-55 2.8, which I've seen in the 800ish range a lot. By all accounts its an excellent lens, earning the "bag of primes" talk from some of the reviews I have seen. On the other hand, I've got an earlier model fuji body too (X-E2s, the most current of the old 16mp sensors) and am planing on jumping on a used X-T2 in a few months when everyone moves up for the X-T3 (although this 1100 dollar sale price is tempting).
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The XT-2 is currently on sale (along with most of Fuji's stuff) for 1k USD.
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TastyLemonDrops posted:The XT-2 is currently on sale (along with most of Fuji's stuff) for 1k USD.
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8th-snype posted:I have been mostly a prime only photographer for many years, it's very doable. If I were you I'd sell the 18-55mm and XT-10, then get a used XT-2, 10-24mm f/4 and a 50mm f/2. (substitute Xpro2 if you prefer RF style or if you find one cheaper). OR an XT-2 56mm f/1.2 and either a 14 or 16mm lens for the wide end. Yeah I second this, look at your LR catalog to see your most commonly used (and maybe 2nd most commonly used) focal length, and get a fast prime for it. It also depends on what you want to shoot - I only shoot seriously with primes (even on vacation) but now I take my vacation shots with a phone nowadays, their quality is so good.
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I'm a Fuji user and love it but if someone is thinking about hopping into a completely new system I'm not seeing a big price difference between the Fuji and Sony lens lineup. Looking at B&H.. Fuji 56/1.2 is about $900; Sony 85/1.8 is $550. Fuji 18/2 is $600; Sony 28/2 is $400 Fuji 35/1.4 is $600; Sony 55/1.8 is $900 Fuji 16-55/2.8 is $1200; Sony 24-70/4 is $800 Fuji 80/2.8 Macro is $1200; Sony 90/2.8 Macro is $1000 There are a lot of roughly equivalent Sony optics that are priced similarly to Fuji's. I think it's fair to compare the 16-55/2.8 to the 24-70/4 since the DoF is equivalent and the FF BSI sensor on the A7iii probably has about as much high-ISO noise at 1600 as Fuji does at 800...with the caveat that Fuji high-ISO output has better control of chroma noise than most APS-C cameras. Not sure if it can out-spec the A7iii though. All that said, Fuji does have much more lower-priced telephoto zooms. Like, 40 or 50% lower. And the AF on the new series of bodies shows a big improvement over the predecessor. Plus any new Fuji that has the focus point selection nub makes fast shooting and focus acquisition much more enjoyable. If sticking with Fuji but committing to a full upgrade of camera body and lenses, the current sale on X-T2's is pretty hard to pass up. But if you aren't getting the X-T2 for $1000 or less you might consider picking up a used X-E3 for $800 and putting the savings into lenses. It should have the same AF upgrades as all the new Fuji bodies.
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cheese posted:People on ebay are still trying to get 900-1k despite the new price only being a hundred more. You looking at completed auctions, or just existing ones? People ask all kinds of whack prices hoping to get lucky with someone who hasn't done their homework or needs it in a hurry, averaging the last month or two's completed auction prices gives a much better idea of market price. SMERSH Mouth posted:I'm a Fuji user and love it but if someone is thinking about hopping into a completely new system I'm not seeing a big price difference between the Fuji and Sony lens lineup. Looking at B&H.. That is interesting food for thought - I currently shoot Sony and was considering jumping ship to Fuji, in part because Sony's higher end gear is so out of reach for my budget. I get your point about using the slower Sony equivalent to compare given the larger sensor, though as a 24-70 f/4 owner I have a feeling the Fuji 16-55 is a much less optically compromised lens. Don't get me wrong, I like mine for what it is and I probably use it the most, but I'll never love it.
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cheese posted:For what its worth, the 35mm 1.4 usually sell for around 400 on ebay and the XF 18-55mm for around 300. That is almost enough for the 16-55 2.8, which I've seen in the 800ish range a lot. By all accounts its an excellent lens, earning the "bag of primes" talk from some of the reviews I have seen. Yeah, one option I considered was selling off most of my gear and doing the XT-2 + 16-55. The biggest problem with that is that gets pretty hefty in size and starts to lose some of the appeal of the system. alkanphel posted:Yeah I second this, look at your LR catalog to see your most commonly used (and maybe 2nd most commonly used) focal length, and get a fast prime for it. It also depends on what you want to shoot - I only shoot seriously with primes (even on vacation) but now I take my vacation shots with a phone nowadays, their quality is so good. I looked last night and my most used are 18, 55, then 35. It's a little skewed since I only used the 18-55 while in Europe, but does lend some weight to the idea of doing the option above. SMERSH Mouth posted:I'm a Fuji user and love it but if someone is thinking about hopping into a completely new system I'm not seeing a big price difference between the Fuji and Sony lens lineup. Looking at B&H.. The price of the Sony body is double the price of the Fuji and Fuji has some cheaper options that are still amazing lenses (the F2 WR prime series) that make the system on a whole much cheaper. With the XT2 bodies at $1k new and XPro2 bodies around $1k for a good used copy I basically just need to pick which style body I want, which sort of depends on if I want to go mostly prime or mostly zoom. XPro2 + 10-24 + 35 1.4 + 50 2.0 = ~$1,500 out of pocket XT2 + 16-55 2.8 + 35 1.4 = ~$1,400 out of pocket XPro2 option is mostly prime based, I could potentially swap the 10-24 out for the 14mm or 16mm and go full prime, certainyl the pretty option and keeps the package smaller/lighter assuming I'm not carrying all my lenses all the time. XT2 option lets me stay flexible like my kit now, but improved optically and gives me a constant aperture, downside being the size and weight of it all (though keeping the 35 gives me a smaller kit when I really need it).
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Ouhei posted:Yeah, one option I considered was selling off most of my gear and doing the XT-2 + 16-55. The biggest problem with that is that gets pretty hefty in size and starts to lose some of the appeal of the system. Have you considered swapping the XT10 for a XT1? It's not alot of money for much bigger EVF and probably faster AF. 16-55 is a 2.8 pro lens, it's a good investment whenever you want to buy it. You can spend the extra money on another fast prime.
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tino posted:Have you considered swapping the XT10 for a XT1? It's not alot of money for much bigger EVF and probably faster AF. I really want the higher number of AF points and the joystick for point switching. One of my biggest gripes with the XT10 is the limitations on the AF and I think the stuff on the XT2 or XPro2 would alleviate them.
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SMERSH Mouth posted:Besides the obvious lack of the awesome directional nub, what limitations are you running into? Speed, accuracy, tracking performance? Mostly accuracy and speed, I haven't tried using the tracking modes too much to complain about that. I don't mean to imply it's awful on the XT10, but the systems on the XT2 and XPro2 seem much improved. I'm waffling between the two bodies as I've always loved the look of the Pro series and as a right eye shooter it would be nice to not smush my nose into the LCD all the time, OVF could be cool but I do dig how the EVF shows me exactly what my shot is going to be. XT2 has the better EVF and the flippy screen is useful on occasion.
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Fuji shooters, the Rokinon 12mm f2 is going for $274. It’s an awesome lens not just because it’s cheap, it’s genuinely good and the best choice for astrophotography https://www.amazon.com/Rokinon-Ultra-Digital-Cameras-RK12M-FX/dp/B00JD4TA9G
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Ouhei posted:Mostly accuracy and speed, I haven't tried using the tracking modes too much to complain about that. I don't mean to imply it's awful on the XT10, but the systems on the XT2 and XPro2 seem much improved. The XT-2 EVF is better but the Xpro-2s is very good. I only notice because I shoot weddings with both cameras and switch back and forth all day. You should also know the XT-2 is pickier about what you run in it. The Xpro2 doesn't care what SD card or nonOEM battery you use ever, the XT-2 can get a little hot unless you use 126S batteries. I've only ever had trouble when shooting burst mode on hot days. Not lockups or anything just slow image review.
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Animal posted:Fuji shooters, the Rokinon 12mm f2 is going for $274. It’s an awesome lens not just because it’s cheap, it’s genuinely good and the best choice for astrophotography this is what I use (but E mount) and it rules
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SMERSH Mouth posted:I'm a Fuji user and love it but if someone is thinking about hopping into a completely new system I'm not seeing a big price difference between the Fuji and Sony lens lineup. I think if you are planing on investing in a camera system where you see yourself spending 5k+ over a few years, Sony might be the better choice but you can certainly get started with a quality body/lenses for quite a bit cheaper with Fuji. I keep saying "Well the Sony E mount has more room to grow with the A9 and A7R series" but I'm just kidding myself - never going to have that kind of money for a camera hobby. Ethics_Gradient posted:You looking at completed auctions, or just existing ones? People ask all kinds of whack prices hoping to get lucky with someone who hasn't done their homework or needs it in a hurry, averaging the last month or two's completed auction prices gives a much better idea of market price. Animal posted:Fuji shooters, the Rokinon 12mm f2 is going for $274. It’s an awesome lens not just because it’s cheap, it’s genuinely good and the best choice for astrophotography
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