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Characters’ close friends and relations exist to propel a character forward to action in fiction, especially if they’re background for the story. Luke Skywalker only leaves the moisture farm when his adoptive parents are brutally murdered, for an ur-example. Frodo’s extended family being colossal douches propels him from the Shire after a year of waffling. Love interests exist to be threatened or killed. Welcome to story tropes!
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Don't read too much into the Voltron drama - a lot of it isn't based in actual concern over queer representation and more because that now that character isn't alive, the second most popular slash ship is still a ''threat'' to the most popular slash ship. For something relevant to the thread - The Bloody Benders family!. Nothing personally creeps me out more than the idea of going into a house without knowing that literally everyone inside wants you dead.
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Aug 17, 2018 19:45
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Oh, hey, murdercop chat from the last page reminded me of this police shooting from the town I live in:quote:That morning a Glynn County officer approached Small’s silver Buick in the parking lot of a local mall. She was recently divorced, had been diagnosed with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and a dissociative disorder and had history of drug addiction. She drove off when the officer asked her to turn off her engine. They shot her in the face. Graphic details in the linked article.Grand jury failed to indict, despite the Georgia Bureau of Investigation and most everyone who lives here recognizing that this was completely unnecessary. Turns out there was some very shifty stuff going on behind the scenes with the Sheriff's Department, detailed in the article. Most people kind of forgot about it shortly after, really. Then, just a few months ago, one of the officers involved in the shooting gets brought up on battery and trespassing charges for threatening his ex-wife. He gets fired, investigation commences, and then this happens: quote:Lt. Robert C. Sasser had a well-documented history of misconduct as a Glynn County police officer, but nothing outdid his final spectacle of violence Thursday when he shot and killed his estranged wife and her boyfriend, before fatally shooting himself in the head. And now, there's ongoing investigations as to whether or not his friends in the sheriff's department may or may not have assisted him in finding out where his ex-wife was staying. The whole thing has just been hosed up.
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Aug 17, 2018 19:59
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Nikita Khrushchev posted:This dissolution of the wall between creators and fans There's a concept about this - parasocial interactions or parasocial relationships. The term was coined in 1956 but I feel like it's something that's prime for some reevaluation and further development now "celebrity" can come from something like "having 5000 followers on twitter." ChickenOfTomorrow has a new favorite as of 20:04 on Aug 17, 2018 |
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Aug 17, 2018 19:59
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Pre-K Bikini Carwash posted:Oh, hey, murdercop chat from the last page reminded me of this police shooting from the town I live in: Glynn county, Brunswick in particular, is hell on earth.
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Aug 17, 2018 20:08
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:There's a concept about this - parasocial interactions or parasocial relationships.
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Aug 17, 2018 20:15
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Now I'm remembering when people hounded some of Lin-Manuel Miranda's personal friends on Twitter demanding they friend breakup with Miranda because he was 'problematic'. The sense of social entitlement gets wild.
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Aug 17, 2018 20:17
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a mysterious cloak posted:I don't even know what this fandom poo poo is Cherish and protect your innocence. (is fan, see icon) Howard Unruh, a World War II veteran, was angry at his neighbors, and at various businesssmen in the town of Camden. September 8, 1949, he decided to do something about it. He loaded his Luger, a war souvenir, and set to work. He shot his next-door neighbors, then walked through Camden's downtown, shooting the people he hated, as well as strangers who happened to be in the wrong place. He killed thirteen people, including three children, and wounded three. In 1949, Americans weren't used to "another day, another mass shooting". The case stood out. Unruh wasn't, in fact, the first American mass shooter, but he was by far the most memorable. He got a significant boost from a gripping New York Times article: 4000 words written on the day of the shooting, and filed just before the deadline for the next day. The article won a Pulitzer for its author, Meyer Berger, and has been much studied over the years. I vehemently encourage you to read it. Sadly, the archived article has been OCRed without proofreading, so you'll have to correct for that. Berger wrote his story in less than a day. Many details of the crime came out later, including the then-unmentionable truth that Unruh was gay, and had been stood up for a date the previous evening. He was interrogated using truth serum, a piece of quackery that puts the patient into a suggestible state and produces unreliable testimony. The external evidence of the murders is undeniable, but Unruh's statements under truth serum are not. Unruh was diagnosed with "dementia praecox, mixed type, with pronounced catatonic and paranoid coloring" and sent to the New Jersey Hospital for the Insane, where he died in 2009. The Smithsonian has an excellent modern writeup, but read the contemporary Times article first. e: Here's a more accurate copy of the Times article; scroll up to the top of the page. Google Books search for "slender hollow-cheeked six-footer" Arsenic Lupin has a new favorite as of 20:26 on Aug 17, 2018 |
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Aug 17, 2018 20:18
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I like this weird Andy story, and the Final Fantasy house stories; what other internet-infamous people do y'all think are the most messed up?
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Aug 17, 2018 20:55
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subpar anachronism posted:I like this weird Andy story, and the Final Fantasy house stories; what other internet-infamous people do y'all think are the most messed up? The most messed up people are the ones who can make a web of lies and then successfully elevate that to sucking in people for actual abuse rather than just prolonged drama fits. Like, uuuh, it sucks to find out a close friend has been lying to you about everything and I'm not going to say that's not emotionally painful but there's people who do that for the attention and then there's people who do that for the thrill of getting one over other people and the potential power they can gain over others. Both can be damaging but the second is more likely to isolate and escalate, I feel. It's not like the first is safe, though, if someone wants attention more than they care about your well-being there's a lot of ways they can hurt you to get it.
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Aug 17, 2018 21:04
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subpar anachronism posted:I like this weird Andy story, and the Final Fantasy house stories; what other internet-infamous people do y'all think are the most messed up? There's the very infamous A/T thread about people who are "married" to fictional characters if you want a heavy dosage of similar.
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Aug 17, 2018 21:11
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PetraCore posted:The MsScribe sockpuppeting orchestration was pretty interesting, but iirc it didn't really rise to the level of cult personalities, abuse, and gaslighting that people like Andy Blake got up to. Unfortunately the write-up was all over on LifeJournal so I'm not sure if there's a good backup of it. Fanlore is your friend! Links to WebCite backups of Charlotte Lennox's never-to-be-forgotten saga. For messed-up Internet people, I nominate Andy Schlafly (yes, that Schlafly; her son) of Conservapedia -- link is to RationalWiki's writeup, not to Conservapedia -- famous for deciding to write a new Bible translation. Arsenic Lupin has a new favorite as of 21:28 on Aug 17, 2018 |
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Aug 17, 2018 21:23
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GelatinSkeleton posted:Glynn county, Brunswick in particular, is hell on earth. Certainly possible, but the main problem here is that All Cops Are Bastards.
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Aug 18, 2018 00:24
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Nikita Khrushchev posted:Ya I stopped using Tumblr and live journal several years ago and basically just hang out in anon communities now. It's so toxic now that it's not worth being invested in in any meaningful sense subpar anachronism posted:I like this weird Andy story, and the Final Fantasy house stories; what other internet-infamous people do y'all think are the most messed up? Cassie Claire's plagiarism but that's mostly a grudge. AlbieQuirky posted:"Victoria Bitter" was after the beer and not meant as a feminine name, though.
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Aug 18, 2018 00:24
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Cara Goodman's an interesting story. She was a blogger who claimed to be HIV+ and have cancer, I think I've posted about her before because I was a friend of a friend of hers. https://www.healthyway.com/content/munchausens-by-internet-why-people-fake-illnesses-online/ tldr: she didn't have any of the conditions or illnesses she claimed; she stole money as donations from people including singer Kimya Dawson, then was exposed by her friend. There was another good article about her that changed all the names so I can't find it. Catsnotcancer/Nikki was/is lovely and a friend, and it's been like 5 years since I've heard from her, and I hope she's okay. It wasn't her fault that Cara sucked her in. Cara's old blog is here, the friend who eventually exposed her took it over and answered questions. e: all of this was like 5-6 years ago. Just googling her name though I found this: http://www.4thtrimesterbodiesproject.com/gallery-1/2015/12/11/cara-goodman Which, uh. That's definitely the same woman, having gained a lot of weight and a child. Who was taken away from her. Yikes. eating only apples has a new favorite as of 00:48 on Aug 18, 2018 |
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Aug 18, 2018 00:42
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eating only apples posted:Cara Goodman's an interesting story. She was a blogger who claimed to be HIV+ and have cancer, I think I've posted about her before because I was a friend of a friend of hers. There's also the good point that if you're on record of having lied so extensively for so long people are not going to believe you when something actually does happen... I'd really hesitate to say that just because Cara lied about so much else that she lied about getting raped after she'd come clean on the whole scam, it's just that rape is a notoriously hard crime to prove and her credibility is shot to all hell so I'm not surprised the police took a look at her history and whatever evidence there was and decided not to pursue it. I'm couching all of this in pretty wishy-washy language because I don't know her and I don't know if she's continued to be a liar, but the fact that she was under such stringent observation with her daughter and was still able to regain custody indicates to me that she probably has turned her life around to a significant degree.
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Aug 18, 2018 01:33
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xtal posted:Certainly possible, but the main problem here is that All Cops Are Bastards. Brunswick is also home to a fairly large federal law enforcement training facility, which draws a large variety of three letter acronyms of varying self-importance imagine a tiny town of just miscellaneous cops
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Aug 18, 2018 02:21
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Cherish and protect your innocence. (is fan, see icon) called him, and he picked up quote:"Is this Howard?"
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Aug 18, 2018 03:38
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Hauki posted:imagine a tiny town of just miscellaneous cops some things are too unnerving even for this thread
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Aug 18, 2018 03:48
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Pre-K Bikini Carwash posted:Oh, hey, murdercop chat from the last page reminded me of this police shooting from the town I live in: it's pretty loving unnerving (but not surprising) just how many pigs are domestic abusers. https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/09/police-officers-who-hit-their-wives-or-girlfriends/380329/
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Aug 18, 2018 06:25
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I always found fandom weird. Why can you just not like a thing and call it at that? I'm a fan of the television show The Venture Brothers. I don't go find other people who watch it and dress up like the characters and write fanfics about the show. I just enjoy it. I might occasionally tell someone to watch it because they might like it. Enjoy your media, don't try to become your media. God drat weirdos.
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Aug 18, 2018 07:43
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Even discussing it at all is sort of level one, then people get into what-ifs and stuff, and people who draw like to draw, I dunno it's not that strange really. It's like when Romeo and Juliet gets remade for the hundredth time only this time it's West Side Story.
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Aug 18, 2018 08:32
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Arsenic Lupin posted:... where he died in 2009. Imagine 60 years in a mental hospital. From the Smithsonian article: "Unruh’s father Sam was ordered to pay $15 a month for Howard’s upkeep in Trenton. And basically, for the next six decades, Unruh vanished. Occasionally, something would come up like in 1964, Unruh wrote a petition to have his indictment dismissed on the grounds he was insane at the time of the shootings. He withdrew it, probably upon understanding that it would only be useful as a defense in a trial, which he did not want. Freda visited him until her death in 1985, but after that, Unruh didn’t talk much. Over the years, he did take an art class, and in the 1970s had an unrequited crush on a much younger inmate, but for the most part, he kept up with his stamp collection and was known to mop the floors while muttering to himself. In 1991, a psychiatrist said Unruh had one friendship inside, but actually it was “a person who just keeps talking all the time. Mr Unruh is a good listener.” In 1993, Unruh was transferred to a less restrictive geriatric unit, where he would live out his days. He died on October 19, 2009 at the age of 88."
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Aug 18, 2018 08:32
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Untrustable posted:I always found fandom weird. Why can you just not like a thing and call it at that? I'm a fan of the television show The Venture Brothers. I don't go find other people who watch it and dress up like the characters and write fanfics about the show. I just enjoy it. I might occasionally tell someone to watch it because they might like it. Enjoy your media, don't try to become your media. God drat weirdos.  Yeah, you're so cool for not getting invested in anything.edit: Like, basically the entire canon of ~Real Art~ is Bible fanart. Fandom is not some new phenomenon you can smugly blame on Tumblr. packetmantis has a new favorite as of 10:14 on Aug 18, 2018 |
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Aug 18, 2018 10:05
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packetmantis posted:
You can totally be invested in something without it becoming the very essence of your being. I don't remember mentioning ~real art~ or Tumblr tho. Maybe fandom was the wrong word. What's the thing where people obsess over a piece of media and do fan art and cosplay, write erotic fiction about it, and make it the cornerstone of their existence? If that's not fandom then I guess I picked the wrong word.
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Aug 18, 2018 10:44
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Scarodactyl posted:Eh, hasn't been the same since Gondwana broke up. There's a reggae band who called themselves Gondwana specifically to make this joke.
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Aug 18, 2018 10:51
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Untrustable posted:You can totally be invested in something without it becoming the very essence of your being. I don't remember mentioning ~real art~ or Tumblr tho. Maybe fandom was the wrong word. I think what might have irked the other poster was mentioning the creative aspects of being in a fandom as weird. It's not weird to want to share a hobby/interest with people. A lot of them are creative folks who you wouldn't fault for wanting to share their designs, art, writing or music outside of a fandom and they just happen to make a lot of it about a thing they like. But when people in a group start to dictate how you should enjoy those things it's time to get out of there.
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Aug 18, 2018 11:19
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Stan Lee wins restraining order: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/aug/18/marvel-comics-mogul-stan-lee-wins-renewed-protection-against-elder-abuse What other cases are there of a vulnerable and loaded person being hoodwinked by their doctor, their lawyer, and even their next-of-kin into ceding control of their estate? For one there's Brian Wilson doctor. Inspector Gesicht has a new favorite as of 11:28 on Aug 18, 2018 |
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Aug 18, 2018 11:23
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Inspector Gesicht posted:Stan Lee wins restraining order: Leonard Cohen had to start touring again in his 70s after his manager ripped him off.
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Aug 18, 2018 11:54
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Untrustable posted:What's the thing where people obsess over a piece of media and do fan art and cosplay, write erotic fiction about it, and make it the cornerstone of their existence? If that's not fandom then I guess I picked the wrong word. ...Religion?
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Aug 18, 2018 11:54
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Untrustable posted:You can totally be invested in something without it becoming the very essence of your being. I don't remember mentioning ~real art~ or Tumblr tho. Maybe fandom was the wrong word. Just another level of fanaticism.
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Aug 18, 2018 12:57
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A person can get obsessed with anything, and it's the obsession itself that tends to be detrimental. It's like people who are obsessive about astrology or craft beers or anything, it starts taking over and it's exhausting and ruins interactions with them.
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Aug 18, 2018 13:43
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I have a friend that I avoid during football season every year. Dude watches the entire draft, knows almost every player of every team, and will not stop talking about football until the season is over. There's nothing worse than talking about something with someone that knows what they're talking about. It's maddening.
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Aug 18, 2018 13:48
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Human passion and loyalty is a disease.
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Aug 18, 2018 13:52
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Inspector Gesicht posted:Stan Lee wins restraining order: It's not quite the same thing, but there was a depressing battle between Casey Kasem's wife and his children as he was mute and battling parkinsons.
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Aug 18, 2018 14:01
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Pick posted:Humanpassion and loyalty is a disease.
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Aug 18, 2018 14:02
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PetraCore posted:Well, it sounds like given her history as a chronic liar and her Munchausen's by Internet people were understandably nervous about her parenting ability and wary of the potential for Munchausen's by Proxy. It also sounds like Cara has gotten to a place where she can hopefully be a good parent and that the medical issues her daughter suffered from early in life were later verified by medical professionals as not the result of Cara slipping her something. Having a baby isn't going to fix someone, but it's good if she took getting pregnant as a motivation to turn her life around. I think this thread has been pretty good at proving how easy it is for abusers and maniacs to regain custody of their children regardless of how horrible they are so I wouldn’t use that as a positive spin
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Aug 18, 2018 15:54
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Speaking of obsessive fandom and "firsts", the story of baseball player Eddie Waitkus, stalked and shot by a female fan in 1949, is worth a look.
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Aug 18, 2018 16:16
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dovetaile posted:Which one? Fail-fandom anon on dreamwidth is one of the few remaining anonymous fandom spaces I think. I lurk there like once every few months and reminisce lol
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Nikita Khrushchev posted:Fail-fandom anon on dreamwidth is one of the few remaining anonymous fandom spaces I think. I lurk there like once every few months and reminisce lol Tumblr operates semi-anonymously since people are constantly deleting their profiles and starting new ones. Trying to keep track of who is who is basically impossible unless they're a friend anyway.
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