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Bogus Adventure posted:Fair dues. Worf challenged Gowron for making some extremely stupid decisions in the Dominion War, got into a fight to the death, and Worf killed him. By right of challenge, Worf was now emperor and instead he gave the title to Martok.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Worf challenged Gowron for making some extremely stupid decisions in the Dominion War, got into a fight to the death, and Worf killed him. By right of challenge, Worf was now emperor and instead he gave the title to Martok. Worf also killed Duras, clearing the way for Gowron to be Chancellor. I was just thinking out loud about how silly it is that Worf, the orphan of a dishonored Klingon who was raised by humans and serves in Starfleet, is shaping the executive branch of the Klingon Empire.
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Aug 18, 2018 03:00
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I never stop enjoying Sisko's 'Will no one rid me of this troublesome Chancellor?' moment, though.
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Aug 18, 2018 03:05
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naem posted:Your personally Star Trek fam fiction is always better than anything the shows come up with True. Also even when you get to be in "editor mode" you get the benefits of 20/20 hindsight. In my crazy imagined version of events, Jadzia even does something important 
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Aug 18, 2018 03:27
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Kibayasu posted:The USS Enterprise was actually just a constantly refitted and expanded Space Shuttle Enterprise. That's why it has a bunch of old poo poo on it.
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Aug 18, 2018 03:44
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and then everyone on the 'crew' was one of spock's innumerable siblings
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Aug 18, 2018 03:48
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Sarek got around. Don't judge.
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Aug 18, 2018 03:51
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Bogus Adventure posted:Worf also killed Duras, clearing the way for Gowron to be Chancellor. I was just thinking out loud about how silly it is that Worf, the orphan of a dishonored Klingon who was raised by humans and serves in Starfleet, is shaping the executive branch of the Klingon Empire. I figure it's part of a thing that the Klingon empire is just so stratified and Worf's both enough of an outsider and obliged to be involved that he ends up making a difference.
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Aug 18, 2018 03:54
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:and then everyone on the 'crew' was one of spock's innumerable siblings
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Aug 18, 2018 04:08
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Bobby Deluxe posted:in the jjtrek reboot kirk is from the midwest so spock and uhura are definitely siblings Kirk has always been from Iowa. They just never identified the exact city (Riverside, Iowa) until the Abramsverse.
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Aug 18, 2018 05:32
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Janeway is technically from Bloomington which is bullshit because she's from fuckin Jersey I can tell
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Aug 18, 2018 05:41
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Janeway comes from a long line of goombas who are experts at "taking out the trash"
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Aug 18, 2018 05:46
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Bogus Adventure posted:Worf also killed Duras, clearing the way for Gowron to be Chancellor. I was just thinking out loud about how silly it is that Worf, the orphan of a dishonored Klingon who was raised by humans and serves in Starfleet, is shaping the executive branch of the Klingon Empire. Strictly speaking, Mogh wasn't dishonored until TNG season 3, and honestly even then I'm pretty sure most if not all of the council knew it was bullshit to cover for Duras. The whole thing about "Mogh was the traitor!!" was entirely for public consumption. It is therefore extremely fitting that Worf be the guy who murders Duras.
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Aug 18, 2018 06:57
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Duras also murdered K’ehleyr
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Aug 18, 2018 07:21
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counterfeitsaint posted:It's not important and kind of a stupid thing to complain about, but it's also an incredibly simple thing to fix; don't make loving prequels. Stop clinging desperately to words and things everyone knows and advance your god drat universe. Star Trek can actually exist without a Spock being in it. I've got a better, if a highly inflammable and opinionated, answer. Stop making Star Trek. Sorry, folks, it's done. I don't care if it's an enormous and well-known franchise with a built-in fanbase, it's loving over. They caught lightning in a bottle in the sixties, and then did it again with TNG and DS9 in the 90's, but everything Voyager and later has done nothing but detract from that universe. We've hit peak Star Trek, and there's nowhere productive left to go with it. Nothing left but cynical cash-grabs based on nostalgia. Leave us our TNG and TOS and DS9 (and for the mentally ill, I guess VOY ant ENT), we can watch it any time we want. Go focus your efforts on new sci-fi designed from the ground-up for modern TV sensibilities. And if you're hellbent on bringing Trek back, then take a loving lesson from The Orville and bring back the heart, humor, and ethical ruminations in a new wrapper, and scrap all the tired details of this poor defunct franchise. Because I drat sure don't want to see a series of lovely scifi action movies, or You'll never have another Best of Both Worlds, never another City on the Edge of Forever, never another In the Pale Moonlight. Stop trying and let this sleeping dog lie. (I would have the same thing to say if JMS made another Babylon 5 spinoff, or if someone tried to make another Stargate series. You can do nothing but harm to an iconic classic.) rndmnmbr fucked around with this message at 09:23 on Aug 18, 2018 |
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Well yeah, but in this era of strip-mining nostalgia that's not an option, so you might as well try to make the most of it.
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Aug 18, 2018 09:39
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Automatic Slim posted:Sarek got around. Don't judge. Scotland. Japan. United States of Africa. Russia. The South. drat, you're right, he DID get around. Sarek is Gene's vision of world harmony, and of everyone boinking everyone else.
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Powered Descent posted:Scotland. He was the Lwaxana of the 23rd century.
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Aug 18, 2018 11:07
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I basically agree, but the inability to make really good new Star Trek is more a symptom of what's wrong with TV than unique to Star Trek. Films and TV, outside a few niche properties, have absolutely 0 faith in or respect for their audience. But they want to get AS MANY VIEWERS AS POSSIBLE regardless of quality or level of overall engagement. So they try to make something that appeals to everyone juuust enough and is focus-grouped to hell and you just can't loving do that, you get a mess. Decide who you want your Star Trek property to be for, and write to them. Is it an action series? A thinky philosophical series? Is it mostly for Trek fans or for people who don't care about Trek "lore"?
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Aug 18, 2018 13:28
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disco was laser-targeted at mycophiles and no one else
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Pick posted:I basically agree, but the inability to make really good new Star Trek is more a symptom of what's wrong with TV than unique to Star Trek. Don't forget you have to shoehorn in some Asian characters so it'll sell in China.
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Aug 18, 2018 15:43
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Pick posted:Is it an action series? A thinky philosophical series? Is it mostly for Trek fans or for people who don't care about Trek "lore"? The trailer for season 2 of ST:D reads an awful lot like "poo poo, poo poo, poo poo that loving McFarlane show is running rings around us with the Star Trek fans. What're we going to do?" "COPY IT!"
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Aug 18, 2018 15:51
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Johnny Aztec posted:Don't forget you have to shoehorn in some Asian characters so it'll sell in China. It's not like that's exactly an impediment to Star Trek in particular, though. It's really not just that they have utter contempt for their audience, but from all indications, they have no actual ideas of their own; it's all prequels so they can shoehorn in as many familiar ideas and names as they can, but see above utter contempt for the audience; they don't feel the need to justify it beyond the bare minimum or even keep to established aesthetics and ideas- things proven to work, because they also want to look cool, new and edgy at the same time. ...it's Poochie, basically.
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Having no ideas and doing nothing interesting with your property is contempt for your audience, because there are creative people out there, you just don't think it's worth the risk to hire them versus Generic Content Producer Person because you assume the audience just wants lukewarm bullshit and/or can't tell the difference.
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I mean I could point you at a hundred creepy weirdos on the internet who would do something really different and challenging with the Star Trek property, it's just that there's a strong probability it would be like Neo Yokio, i.e. a super loving awesome show that only 8-12 people in the entire world enjoy.
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Here's the thing: You can do Star Trek forever. The premise is a big space ship exploring new poo poo. You can just keep that going for as long as you can think of weird poo poo in space. It does, however, require interesting characters, charismatic actors, and decent writing. Of course they don't want to do that, though. Instead they're gonna do Battlestar Galatica but stupid. Stupider. Discovery does have some good characters and actors, though. I wanna know what's up with that white cyborg thing on the bridge crew. I actually enjoyed Discovery but man when it gets dumb, it gets real dumb.
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rndmnmbr posted:You can do nothing but harm to an iconic classic. You could have said the same thing in 1987, but then we wouldn't have had Best of Both Worlds or The House of Quark. No, I think it's still possible to do justice to the concept, I just think there's little interest in doing so. That said, I'd love to see other space opera settings developed.
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I still say it'd be a great time for a new Star Trek animated series. Cartoons are all about the social commentary and ongoing continuity now. Could make it CG like the Star Wars cartoons.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I still say it'd be a great time for a new Star Trek animated series. Cartoons are all about the social commentary and ongoing continuity now. Could make it CG like the Star Wars cartoons. Normally I’d agree, but cheap animation looks infinitely worse than cheap live-action and you know CBS isn’t about to give a show like that a real budget
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Pick posted:I mean I could point you at a hundred creepy weirdos on the internet who would do something really different and challenging with the Star Trek property, it's just that there's a strong probability it would be like Neo Yokio, i.e. a super loving awesome show that only 8-12 people in the entire world enjoy. What's New Yokio I'm taking four months off to drink beer and watch TV
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Pick posted:I mean I could point you at a hundred creepy weirdos on the internet who would do something really different and challenging with the Star Trek property, it's just that there's a strong probability it would be like Neo Yokio, i.e. a super loving awesome show that only 8-12 people in the entire world enjoy. Neo Yokio is amazing.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Normally I’d agree, but cheap animation looks infinitely worse than cheap live-action and you know CBS isn’t about to give a show like that a real budget I was implying that was meant to be part of the charm, but. CBS doesn't have any kids' channel tie-ins, do they?
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Maybe a big part of the problem is CBS. In recent times their audience has been boiled down to CSI fans and middle Americans who will laugh at an autistic. They basically only make the worst television, crime procedurals and regressive sitcoms.
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Aug 18, 2018 17:27
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Bring back Stargate Universe. That poo poo was fun to watch.
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Aug 18, 2018 17:34
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fun interesting and well thought out shows do not appeal to the key demographic of people who spend the entire show looking at their phone and then complain they didn't understand the episode
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Aug 18, 2018 17:53
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I still wish they had made a movie based off the TNG episode Conspiracy.
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shovelbum posted:What's New Yokio I'm taking four months off to drink beer and watch TV It's one of the only tv shows ever made where I think that "you just didn't get it" is the appropriate response to haters It's art.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:fun interesting and well thought out shows do not appeal to the key demographic of people who spend the entire show looking at their phone and then complain they didn't understand the episode
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revolther posted:Maybe a big part of the problem is CBS. In recent times their audience has been boiled down to CSI fans and middle Americans who will laugh at an autistic. That's pretty incorrect; They haven't had a CSI show for a few years, and CSI: Cyber was hilariously bad.
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