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psydude posted:The really hosed up part that isn't getting as much coverage as Brennan is that they're going to revoke the clearance of a career DoJ employee because of a right wing conspiracy theory. I had a family member tell me yesterday that Brennan losing clearance was justified because he is a secret Muslim ("not that there's anything wrong with Islam!") and he is part of the deep state attempt to discredit and unseat "the duly elected president, which is treason". Also that he was using his government clearance "for personal gain"  .I chose to drink heavily rather than try to unpack that at family dinner.
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facialimpediment posted:All that poo poo probably doesn't matter anymore, Trump is going to blow his lid because he has a rat in the house. Wow, when you view loyalty as an absolutely one-way street and throw everyone and their cousin's dog under the bus at a moment's notice people working for you might start to get paranoid? They might even start looking out for themselves instead? That's loving shocking. Who could possibly have foreseen that happening? What possible reason would he have for believing that Trump might take the "I got bad advice, it's all my lawyer's fault, I'm innocent, lock him up for betraying me" route for a defense?
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egyptian rat race posted:I had a family member tell me yesterday that Brennan losing clearance was justified because he is a secret Muslim ("not that there's anything wrong with Islam!") and he is part of the deep state attempt to discredit and unseat "the duly elected president, which is treason". Also that he was using his government clearance "for personal gain" I'm done with my Trump loving relatives. They had a year to develop some regret for a decision that anyone with a functioning brain knew was wrong, and they're still marching lock step towards the apocalypse, so gently caress them.
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egyptian rat race posted:I had a family member tell me yesterday that Brennan losing clearance was justified because he is a secret Muslim ("not that there's anything wrong with Islam!") and he is part of the deep state attempt to discredit and unseat "the duly elected president, which is treason". Also that he was using his government clearance "for personal gain" Lol we all need to start writing up stories and see what takes hold. Though after the pizzagate story I’m fairly sure people will believe anything.
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Aug 18, 2018 19:52
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Pretty sure that's how the Onion started, and now reality has caught up/passed it.
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Aug 18, 2018 19:55
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Fallom posted:I haven’t seen anyone try to lionize Brennan. beware of #resistance twitter 90% of them are pretending he never did anything bad under the last president
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Aug 18, 2018 20:14
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We're throwing away vast amounts of intelligence experience that led to amazing CIA success stories like:
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Proud Christian Mom posted:We're throwing away vast amounts of intelligence experience that led to amazing CIA success stories like:
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Aug 18, 2018 20:21
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The CIA has a storied history of thinking they're smarter than they are and getting in over their heads. They (OSS: cia precursor) got loving owned in WW2 jumping in behind enemy lines with radios etc
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I need to read more real world spy stuff because I got through the entirety of Tim Power’s Declare without realizing Kim Philby was a real person
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45 ACP CURES NAZIS posted:The CIA has a storied history of thinking they're smarter than they are and getting in over their heads. They (OSS: cia precursor) got loving owned in WW2 jumping in behind enemy lines with radios etc Legacy of Ashes was a pretty good read on seeing how loving retarded they are.
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Aug 18, 2018 20:30
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Follow that up with The Sword and the Shield for the KGB variety of disaster.
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Is that guy an entrepreneur, or did he get leaned on in some way to basically be a mule?
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Casimir Radon posted:Still feel safer with the old guard than a bunch of Trumpistas with diploma mill degrees and can't speak any languages besides English, not that they speak it all that well. Need daddy CIA to tuck you in? The CIA is the CIA regardless of who is in charge. Who cares about them speaking second languages anyway? Like I guess if you were hiring a person and they were in all ways equal that might tip it, but it’s sort of elitist on its face.
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Mister Sinewave posted:Is that guy an entrepreneur, or did he get leaned on in some way to basically be a mule? It's called a retirement plan
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Fallom posted:I need to read more real world spy stuff because I got through the entirety of Tim Power’s Declare without realizing Kim Philby was a real person That whole group from Cambridge is an interesting story. Guy Burgess, Donald McClean, Anthony Blunt. Can't remember the 5th, Cairncross?
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Coldwar timewarp posted:Need daddy CIA to tuck you in? The CIA is the CIA regardless of who is in charge. Who cares about them speaking second languages anyway? Like I guess if you were hiring a person and they were in all ways equal that might tip it, but it’s sort of elitist on its face. I really like reading books about spy agencies and I can’t remember one history, or memoir of someone in charge that ended up any way but “we didn’t know what the gently caress we were doing! But the next generation will be better.” They never are. MI6 hold a special place in my British heart for being shite, visiting an exhibition with the the “spy rock” in the Estonian spy museum was loving funny.
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maffew buildings posted:Follow that up with The Sword and the Shield for the KGB variety of disaster. Oleg Gordievsky was a KGB defector who wrote three books about how kooky they were in the 80s under Andropov as well. e: "KGB: The Untold Story," "Comrade Kryuchkov's Instructions," and "More Instructions from the Center" for anyone who cares. As Nero Danced fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Aug 18, 2018 |
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As Nero Danced posted:Oleg Gordievsky was a KGB defector who wrote three books about how kooky they were in the 80s under Andropov as well. Thanks. I'll read up on them as well
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I always wonder if the USSR had diverted 25% of their internal pogrom efforts towards the Cold War how things would have turned out
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kinda random and not sure if it’s borderline conspiracy poo poo but didn’t Putin rise to power by burning down some apartment buildings and killing a bunch of Russians? lol title of second google hit: None Dare Call It a Conspiracy https://www.gq.com/story/moscow-bombings-mikhail-trepashkin-and-putin I haven’t read much into it but I also hardly see it mentioned.
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Can't wait until high school history books saddle obama with the blame for Katrina like they're already trying to do (go Texas!)
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Nostalgia4Dogges posted:kinda random and not sure if it’s borderline conspiracy poo poo but didn’t Putin rise to power by burning down some apartment buildings and killing a bunch of Russians? I generally discount false flag attacks as a bunch of bullshit but this one has a fuckton of evidence behind it. Most notably that the guy who got poisoned by Polonium taped a meeting between himself and Putin where he threatened to reveal what really happened to those apartment buildings, and Putin's answer was a long, awkward silence. Also I believe the compound that blew them up is only manufactured in one factory in Russia which is controlled by the Russian military. There's all sorts of conflicting information about it, but it's one of the few "false flag" narratives worth looking into and that many Russians and intelligence agencies believe.
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Milo and POTUS posted:Can't wait until high school history books saddle obama with the blame for Katrina like they're already trying to do (go Texas!) what
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Oh also the Speaker of the Duma said "I've just received word of another bombing that happened in Volgodonsk." Oopsie, Volgodonsk wasn't bombed until 3 days after that Duma session. Local police also found another bomb, disarmed it, and arrested 3 of the bombers that same week in Ryazan only to find that those 3 "bombers" were FSB agents and it was allegedly a "training exercise" or some bullshit like that. There was a Russian commission to investigate what happened in those bombings but two of its members were assassinated and the commission's lawyer was arrested. Jesus, reading further into it, one guy called the police because he realized he was being set up, as a former FSB agent had rented 4 basements from him for "storage", and 2 of the basements detonated, and when police raided the basements the remaining 2 they found more bombs.
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Truly a country we want to be friends with. gently caress Russia, gently caress them to death
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Coldwar timewarp posted:Need daddy CIA to tuck you in? The CIA is the CIA regardless of who is in charge. Who cares about them speaking second languages anyway? Like I guess if you were hiring a person and they were in all ways equal that might tip it, but its sort of elitist on its face. Yeah why would a HUMINT collector need to be able to speak anything other than English I'm just absolutely baffled
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Internet Wizard posted:Yeah why would a HUMINT collector need to be able to speak anything other than English I'm just absolutely baffled The CIA fucks up a lot but it could be soooo much worse if the place got filled with true believers.
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Smiling Jack posted:what It was really poorly worded but some conservatives are pushing the idea that obama was president during katrina. The textbook thing is because I loving hate Texas and they used to (and probably still do) have the country by the balls when it comes to primary education textbooks. In short, reality need not apply
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CHUDs have tried to blame at the time state senator Obama for the Iraq War. These are not smart people.
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Internet Wizard posted:Yeah why would a HUMINT collector need to be able to speak anything other than English I'm just absolutely baffled Listen, you don't want an organization like the CIA to be elite, do you!?
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Fallom posted:Listen, you don't want an organization like the CIA to be elite, do you!?
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Casimir Radon posted:CHUDs have tried to blame at the time state senator Obama for the Iraq War. These are not smart people. Giuliani also said there were no successful terrorist attacks till Obama came along.
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As Nero Danced posted:Giuliani also said there were no successful terrorist attacks till Obama came along. The best people
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Syrian Lannister posted:The best people He had just finished talking about 9/11 when he said that, too.
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McNally posted:He had just finished talking about 9/11 when he said that, too. The best people. I can’t wait for the perp walk for all of them
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McNally posted:He had just finished talking about 9/11 when he said that, too.
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McNally posted:He had just finished talking about 9/11 when he said that, too. To be fair, that was every sentence out of his mouth till Trump hired him to make a fool of himself on tv (with his work experience, he was the perfect choice). edit: Viva Miriya posted:Thanks. I'll read up on them as well Start with KGB (it's a big loving book though) and Comrade Kryuchkov, the other book is really short and more like an addendum and sure as hell isn't worth what it's going for on amazon. As Nero Danced fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Aug 19, 2018 |
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Speaking of spy books, have any of you read this: https://www.amazon.com/Billion-Dollar-Spy-Espionage-Betrayal/dp/0345805976 (gently caress Ames, gently caress traitors )
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