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I don't mind character dumps in One Piece because the nature of the story structure means they're a largely temporary fixture so if they're not working out they'll be dropped eventually. The reason character bloat was a problem in something like Bleach is that every loving character had to be brought along to everything because the world was incredibly small.
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I'm rereading Dressrosa right now, and the first half at the very least is stupendous, easily one of my favourite arcs (or part of one). A whole new land and story with an enormous new cast, plus returning characters and major long term story threads, all crashing together in one gigantic, bombastic mess. It recaptures the feeling of Sabaody nicely, but with ten times the cast size. [edit] Remember when Bleach brought back loving Kon of all people for no reason, after like 400 chapters? Doctor_Fruitbat fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Aug 18, 2018 |
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Aug 18, 2018 21:19
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I always like large batches of characters like in Dressrosa. Oda just has a way of making characters with little paneltime likable, and when he decides you're going to sympathize with or like a character, it's hard to resist. Honestly despite the huge cast of One Piece, the number of characters I actively dislike I could probably count on one hand.
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Aug 18, 2018 21:21
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Yeah I love seeing a bunch of random weirdos like in Dressrosa and Whole Cake island as long as they don't take too much time and aren't boring (looking at you Dressrosa royals)
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Aug 18, 2018 21:22
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Rebecca and Kyros are the only reasons Dressrosa isn’t the best arc imo and the birdcage too I guess
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Aug 18, 2018 21:35
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Birdcage loving sucked
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Aug 18, 2018 21:42
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All the Doflamingo Family guys other than Baby 5 and Senor Pink sucked rear end
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Aug 18, 2018 22:05
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You take that insult to Lao G back.
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Aug 18, 2018 22:12
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Oh Snapple! posted:I don't mind character dumps in One Piece because the nature of the story structure means they're a largely temporary fixture so if they're not working out they'll be dropped eventually. Yeah Bleach every new character batch was the strongest being in the universe/you wonder where the gently caress they've been this whole time. One Piece characters live their own lives Straw Hats visit then go on their way making them showing up/leaving make much more sense.
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Aug 18, 2018 22:59
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Plutonis posted:All the Doflamingo Family guys other than Baby 5 and Senor Pink sucked rear end 
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Aug 18, 2018 23:15
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its weird how contentious dressrosa is. i genuinely thought it was awful overall with a lot of low points (of course, this is one piece, so it will no matter what have some awesome moments like king kong gun and senor pink) but i really disliked the entire arc for most of the time. everything since has been, imo, utterly fantastic and wano so far is shaping up that way too - the designs and the "flow" so far have been absolutely killer
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Aug 18, 2018 23:55
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I get the feeling Oda has been raring and ready to get to Wano already so he has this thought out quite throughly. And is probably going to bypass his editors on 99% of how he tackles this.
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Aug 19, 2018 02:10
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One thing that's nice about OP is that at least the power structure was defined early-ish (or maybe it's just been too many years since it was first) and hasn't changed that much. So while we're just now getting the details of the Yonko's, we were aware of their presence and weight for quite awhile– making learning the details of them super fun. Basically, he's good at world building. And the folks he introduces don't generally interrupt that structure as much as fill-in-the-blanks, which makes it easier to go "ah, new character but they fit here". Dressrosa introduced a lot of folks, but none of em' broke the structure, but rather just filled it out. "Ah, yeah here's all these other powerful people from other lands." It was also a clever way to really build up to Luffy entirely incidentally getting an armada. He might not be Whitebeard level yet, but it's clear the wheels are in motion for him to punch at that weight now.
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Aug 19, 2018 03:23
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Rigged Death Trap posted:I get the feeling Oda has been raring and ready to get to Wano already so he has this thought out quite throughly. I'm pretty sure that pre-planning this arc is a big reason why it's going so fast right now, while in comparison Dressrosa being kind of a drag was probably because it wasn't nearly as heavily planned out. That's the thing about weekly chapters, there's not nearly as much careful editing done on the whole as there is on individual parts, so the whole thing can kinda balloon out of control.
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Aug 19, 2018 06:08
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The World Inferno posted:One thing that's nice about OP is that at least the power structure was defined early-ish (or maybe it's just been too many years since it was first) and hasn't changed that much. So while we're just now getting the details of the Yonko's, we were aware of their presence and weight for quite awhile– making learning the details of them super fun. Funny thing about the power structure, it's a lot higher than how Oda first planned it. I remember reading an interview (or a summary of it) that originally Oda came up with just the 4 Emperors and that they essentially ruled the Grand Line, which ties into another interview with Oda saying that the whole series was planned to last 5 years at the start. Going straight from East Blue to the Grand Line to directly face the Emperors would mean that the power structure would have to be a lot lower if the pre-timeskip Straw Hats were to have a chance against the Emperors.
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Aug 19, 2018 06:29
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Rigged Death Trap posted:I get the feeling Oda has been raring and ready to get to Wano already so he has this thought out quite throughly. I"m just raring to see what Zoro finally gets to do, after not seeing him for so many years.
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Aug 19, 2018 11:11
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alkanphel posted:I"m just raring to see what Zoro finally gets to do, after not seeing him for so many years. not an empty quote
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Aug 19, 2018 17:00
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this is a long shot, but my prediction is that zoro's gonna cut stuff
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Aug 19, 2018 17:20
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And drink and get lost. Best straw hat.
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Aug 19, 2018 17:56
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tbp posted:its weird how contentious dressrosa is. i genuinely thought it was awful overall with a lot of low points (of course, this is one piece, so it will no matter what have some awesome moments like king kong gun and senor pink) but i really disliked the entire arc for most of the time. Did Oda start taking once a month breaks during Dressrossa or before? If during or after then its clearly helping.
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Aug 19, 2018 19:09
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Long before
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Aug 19, 2018 19:12
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Dressrosa was doomed the moment the word birdcage was used
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Aug 19, 2018 20:04
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At least it leads right into Zou, which is a great palette cleanser. Where is Expect My Mom, I want to know how you're doing with nobody's favourite arc, Fishman Island.
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Aug 19, 2018 20:57
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Fishman Island was a good arc imo
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Aug 19, 2018 21:59
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I'll pretty much always think well enough of Dressrosa just because I adored Law's flashback with Corazon and think it's among the strongest segments Oda's done.
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Aug 19, 2018 22:36
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I love it too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hrgv4K_jjTE
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Oh Snapple! posted:I'll pretty much always think well enough of Dressrosa just because I adored Law's flashback with Corazon and think it's among the strongest segments Oda's done. Oh yeah that was a top tier moment and it's cool how it establishes Doffy to be a complete unredeemable shithead
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Aug 19, 2018 23:11
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Dressrosa was bloated and birdcage sucked and it took a long time and there were various other small issues but on the whole I thought it was a huge super fun clusterfuck.
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Aug 19, 2018 23:34
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bad is a relative term when it comes to one piece arcs. it's impressive how consistent the series has been over 900+ chapters
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Birdcage was awful for a bunch of different reasons. The whole Zoro chasing the mountain guy thing just got boring real quick. Dressrosa was a great arc that was made a lot less great due to terrible pacing and trying to force the whole chapter 800 thing. I kinda liked Kyros and the whole reason Rebecca couldn't fight and only defended was interesting except that idea was in a comic where the female characters are hurting for quality encounters. Robin having to watch the flag guy fight was horrible. Dressrosa had Usopp beating Sugar twice and I will never not love that.
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Robin could not fight because she's privvy to the Wu-Tang Secret, which is too powerful to use on a mortal man.
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lol if you thought oda stretched things out at the hundreds, wait til ch 1000. we're going to get chapters full of eyebrows twitching from , at a minimum, c970
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the flashbacks are almost always absurdly good points of any given arc, and yeah, law and corazon was amazing too. even fishman island, pretty much agreed upon as one of the weaker overall arcs, had the fisher tiger flashback which is... well probably my favorite in the series. only elongated flashback i hated was luffy's after the whitebeard war. thought it was boring
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Birdcage dragged on and on, but zoro taking out pica was so incredibly goddamn badass that I'm willing to let it slide
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Still can't believe there was no synergy between the gnome with sewing powers and the big bad made of threads.
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tbp posted:the flashbacks are almost always absurdly good points of any given arc, and yeah, law and corazon was amazing too. even fishman island, pretty much agreed upon as one of the weaker overall arcs, had the fisher tiger flashback which is... well probably my favorite in the series. you're forgetting the massive nearly volume-long flashback in the smack dab middle of luffy vs enel I have no idea what he was thinking there My feelings on Dressrosa are basically that all the good parts have huge caveats that make them not work for me at all. Zoro beating Pico would have been cooler if it hadn't been basically stretched out the length of the entire arc. Usopp's wacky face vs Sugar would have been better if it hadn't just been a straight up repeat of his fight with Perona. that said I feel like Whole Cake was about as good as OP has ever been (aside from some wonky pacing with the Katakuri fight) so I'm glad it wasn't a permanent quality dip. Blockhouse fucked around with this message at 05:32 on Aug 20, 2018 |
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U-DO Burger posted:Birdcage dragged on and on, but zoro taking out pica was so incredibly goddamn badass that I'm willing to let it slide zoro beating pica ruled because he looked incredibly stupid while flying through the air, he invented a strategy, then said a dumb poem before kicking his rear end in like ten seconds it was so incredibly one piece because it was simultaneously funny, stupid, and exciting.
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Blockhouse posted:you're forgetting the massive nearly volume-long flashback in the smack dab middle of luffy vs enel As I recall the anime version of that flashback is earlier, as if it's a story being told to the Straw Hats.
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Manatee Cannon posted:bad is a relative term when it comes to one piece arcs. it's impressive how consistent the series has been over 900+ chapters If all one piece arcs were like Dressrosa I would stop reading
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I'm willing to cut Dressrosa slack because the first half is pretty much perfectly executed. That month of chapters where Law/Fujitora/Doflamingo hosed up an asteroid, Sabo showed up, Zoro fought an admiral, we found out Barto was a Luffy fanboy, Doflamingo straight up executed Law, Big Mom's fleet showed up and the crew was split across two islands (when the crew splitting in two was still novel) was so so exciting to read week-to-week
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