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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Be incredibly wary of the authenticity of anything posted to CDaN. That place is riddled with, and pandering to, Qanon/Pizzagate level nutters. It's idiots and loons all the way down. I wouldn't be taking it too seriously if it wasn't for the very convenient timing of the NYT piece
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Gum posted:I wouldn't be taking it too seriously if it wasn't for the very convenient timing of the NYT piece He's probably just a mess. If having your CEO give an interview crying and whining is a calculated move it's a very poor one. If they fire him they'll just release a standard statement about health reasons, time with family etc.
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On I-81 in VA today I saw a semi broken down on the shoulder with a trailer loaded with Model 3s. That's my Tesla story.
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Mercury Ballistic posted:On I-81 in VA today I saw a semi broken down on the shoulder with a trailer loaded with Model 3s. That's my Tesla story. did any spontaneously combust?
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duz posted:If those are serious questions, he bought his founder and CEO positions after he found an EV company that needed money badly. They really should have chosen John Ross Bowie. Closer fit, cheaper, and better range.
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Bates posted:He's probably just a mess. If having your CEO give an interview crying and whining is a calculated move it's a very poor one. If they fire him they'll just release a standard statement about health reasons, time with family etc. I could totally believe that Musk is overworking himself to the point of having both a mental and physical breakdown because that sort of attitude towards work fits with all the poo poo he has been doing before. Remember when he berated workers for wanting to take a day off over minor things like Christmas or the death of a family member? Elon is a somewhat talented and lucky man with large ambitions and he doesn’t realise that “actually don’t work more than 40 hours all the time” and “go hire some assistants to delegate daily tasks to, you’re a billionaire and can afford it” are key skills he’s bad at.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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suck my woke dick posted:I could totally believe that Musk is overworking himself to the point of having both a mental and physical breakdown because that sort of attitude towards work fits with all the poo poo he has been doing before. Remember when he berated workers for wanting to take a day off over minor things like Christmas or the death of a family member? Eh, that sort of thing is a flaw of American culture overall. I wonder if he's thinking that, since he's a billionaire CEO, he should act like one while failing to realize that American CEOs lie all the time about how hard they work. Silicon Valley in particular has fallen into the trap of "your job is your life and you must give us all of the hours!" Investors want soulless machines doing the work and really want to squeeze as much as they can out of tech professionals in particular because, well, a program can make gently caress loads of money without a lot of manufacturing costs once it's done but programmers are expensive. I also wonder if he's doing a "leading by example" thing where he's trying to inspire his people to work absurdly long hours by working absurdly long hours himself. Now he's finding out why working absurdly long hours is a terrible idea. People need rest but we have a society that views any sign of any weakness at all as a bad thing. Needing to take a day off to chill out and recharge is a Very Bad Thing as that means you aren't indestructible. Well, hey, hate to break it to you but these bags of flesh we live in have limits.
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suck my woke dick posted:I could totally believe that Musk is overworking himself to the point of having both a mental and physical breakdown because that sort of attitude towards work fits with all the poo poo he has been doing before. Remember when he berated workers for wanting to take a day off over minor things like Christmas or the death of a family member? What's he talented at again? I forgot
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unknown posted:Tweakers grab/steal and sell in the under $500 range usually. Not generally in the $million range. That level of theft is definitely in the "truck load arrived and never unloaded but the paper said it did" range. I prefer to think that all the employees are simply loading up their cars at the end of each day with spools of copper wiring, crates of rare earth metals and drums of industrial glue.
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Last Chance posted:What's he talented at again? I forgot Getting dumbasses hyped for his garbage products
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Elon Musk is not a conventional CEO — stop expecting him to bequote:Elon Musk’s tweet on Tesla going private has drawn no shortage of opinions, and it will be up to federal regulators to figure out whether he overstepped his bounds. 
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The cult of personality around Musk even after the year he's had is pretty amazing.
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Last Chance posted:What's he talented at again? I forgot 1) identifying  products (or products that could be hyped as to techies and the dumb public) which other people overlooked, 2) being able to read up on the product and guesstimate whether in principle it could be made cheaper and better. I sort of give him 3) being good at finding ways to actually disrupt (instead of investor storytime """"""""disrupt""""""") the business model of existing competitors, but after this year it looks like he's only successful at that in rockets (still waiting on tunnel boring machines lol) because there's both regulation that forces SpaceX to triple check whether insane Elon ideas will actually work before putting them into production and because the entire space sector was in an extended stagnation period due to having been little more than an excuse for pork barrel spending since the Cold War ended. In a sector where actual competition exists (cars) he ends up overextending and doing dumb poo poo because it turns out existing car factories are actually efficient at making cars and there's nobody to tell him to hold on while they check if random poo poo he just came up with will work.He's real bad at not micromanaging, delegating, and hiring competent people to fix basic poo poo efficiently.
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suck my woke dick posted:Elon is a somewhat talented man he's not also, the idea that a man who up until recently was constantly online on twitter making an rear end of himself is overworked is p laughable. if he was working he wouldn't be tweeting non-stop like he was Condiv fucked around with this message at 10:35 on Aug 19, 2018 |
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suck my woke dick posted:1) identifying 2) is flat out wrong. there are cheaper and better evs on the market than the model 3
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Condiv posted:2) is flat out wrong. there are cheaper and better evs on the market than the model 3 The early Teslas did make electric cars cool to the drooling masses when you couldn't just go buy a Chevy Bolt and expect it to not suck worse than a generic Chevy visually or functionally (see point 1), and they were actual cars that could be bought for realistic (if somewhat high) amounts of money, which is not unexpected for early adopter cars. I'm also pretty sure that in principle, if poo poo worked after being built by competent enginerds and Musk didn't micromanage it to death, the Model 3 could be way cheaper and less poo poo than it is which brings us back to the point where Elon is real poo poo at competing with competent competitors.
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Condiv posted:he's not he's overworked in the same way that japanese office workers are overworked, i.e. due to faulty expectations he spends way too much time in the office so he ends up having a sub-par private life at work too while not being productive on an hourly basis also arguably improving the company's image could be seen as a ceo doing his job, it's just that elon is really bad at that lately
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Last Chance posted:What's he talented at again? I forgot inheriting money
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It takes a lot of talent to earn your privilege off the back of apartheid.
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Rockets that land upright were a pipe dream before SpaceX. Elon broke ULA’s chokehold on spaceflight by drastically lowering costs, and continues to do so. The dude is obviously very flawed, but to deny his talent (of which the cult of personality he cultivates is a part) and the positive impact of his relentless drive forward is idiocy of the highest order.
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Spacex is built on the backs of real rocket engineers and people that know how to work on them and deal with the government regulations. It's also largely one time use limited run parts not mass produced cars. It's two widely different beasts compared to Tesla and largely not due to musk but instead the head engineer who gasp is a rocket scientist.
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enraged_camel posted:Rockets that land upright were a pipe dream before SpaceX. Elon broke ULA’s chokehold on spaceflight by drastically lowering costs, and continues to do so. his only involvement with all this is literally hiring people. that's his superpower, being an employer. celebrate the actual scientists and engineers all you want, but i'm not about to glorify a loving union-busting boss because his workers do good jobs.
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UCS Hellmaker posted:Spacex is built on the backs of real rocket engineers and people that know how to work on them and deal with the government regulations. It's also largely one time use limited run parts not mass produced cars. It's two widely different beasts compared to Tesla and largely not due to musk but instead the head engineer who gasp is a rocket scientist. Musk was the head engineer at SpaceX, his role was very similar to Von Braun's during Apollo, going around and checking on the status of various departments.
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suck my woke dick posted:The early Teslas did make electric cars cool to the drooling masses when you couldn't just go buy a Chevy Bolt and expect it to not suck worse than a generic Chevy visually or functionally (see point 1), and they were actual cars that could be bought for realistic (if somewhat high) amounts of money, which is not unexpected for early adopter cars. I'm also pretty sure that in principle, if poo poo worked after being built by competent enginerds and Musk didn't micromanage it to death, the Model 3 could be way cheaper and less poo poo than it is which brings us back to the point where Elon is real poo poo at competing with competent competitors. Those cars weren’t available to the drooling masses, as they were luxury vehicles. Tesla did not make cheaper EVs suck my woke dick posted:he's overworked in the same way that japanese office workers are overworked, i.e. due to faulty expectations he spends way too much time in the office so he ends up having a sub-par private life at work too while not being productive on an hourly basis Unlike Japanese office workers, musk is shitposting on twitter while doing LSD with his girlfriend, so no, not overworked at all. Also, really insulting that you’d compare a pampered shithead to truly exploited and overworked labor. edit: overworked workers also do not take vanity trips to third world countries to interfere with desperate rescue operation, so please don’t try to draw that line between musk and real labor ever again Condiv fucked around with this message at 12:49 on Aug 19, 2018 |
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As far as I can tell, Tesla's main innovation was figuring out that if you make electric cars good-looking and fast, instead of gently caress ugly and slow, people will want to buy them more. Granted it doesn't seem like that big of an insight in retrospect, but apparently it was. Frankly given the current round of electric cars from major manufacturers, I think they've learned to drop the futuristic gently caress-ugliness but they seem to be struggling with performance still, because they are concerned with having a reasonable price and practicality. I can't say they're wrong, but they'll have a hard time making a car that people really get excited about if it only drags itself to 100 km/h in 8-9 seconds.
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i'd like to add that the real workers at tesla are being maimed by their jobs at rates unheard of at the major car manufacturers in the US, all to produce a fraction of the cars at a fraction of the quality of the major automanufacturers. they're also told to forgo the birth of family, funerals, etc. if anyone's overworked, they are. if musk's management is the result of hard work, then he needs to give up and hand the company over to someone competent cause all he's doing is making a few hundred death traps a month at the expense of everyone around him
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https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1031111742103814144 quick reminder that tesla, unlike other car manufacturers, has never turned a profit quick reminder that if musk can't keep investor story time going, tesla will go bankrupt
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PT6A posted:they'll have a hard time making a car that people really get excited about if it only drags itself to 100 km/h in 8-9 seconds. My VW Gol made 100km/h in around 10 seconds (a thing that only really happened on highways by the way - 99% of the time I was driving around in a big city and never topping 40 km/h) and it was the best car I ever had, I don't know what poo poo you're on but a cheap (and I do mean cheap, i.e. around $5000 at most) electric car with decent autonomy for mostly intra-urban use would sell amazingly if we (global "we") had the proper infrastructure for them, but we don't really have it, even in the most advanced first world countries, not to the same extent as we do for gas-powered cars
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How much was Elon involved with PayPal, like did he code for it or just pay someone else to do it
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Pochoclo posted:My VW Gol made 100km/h in around 10 seconds (a thing that only really happened on highways by the way - 99% of the time I was driving around in a big city and never topping 40 km/h) and it was the best car I ever had, I don't know what poo poo you're on but a cheap (and I do mean cheap, i.e. around $5000 at most) electric car with decent autonomy for mostly intra-urban use would sell amazingly if we (global "we") had the proper infrastructure for them, but we don't really have it, even in the most advanced first world countries, not to the same extent as we do for gas-powered cars You can easily make the argument that no one needs a car that can go 0-100 in under 10 seconds, or that most people if given a car that accelerates faster than that will not actually use the extra performance, but that ignores psychology, especially the psychology of people who like to spend a lot of money on new cars or new technology in general. And we're not anywhere close to the point where we have cheap electric cars available. So far, they're all priced around the level of high-end normal carmakers or low-end luxury cars -- attainable for many people, no longer the province of the super-wealthy alone, but still well outside the mass market. The VW e-Golf, for example, is still more expensive than the Golf GTI.
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UCS Hellmaker posted:Spacex is built on the backs of real rocket engineers and people that know how to work on them and deal with the government regulations. It's also largely one time use limited run parts not mass produced cars. It's two widely different beasts compared to Tesla and largely not due to musk but instead the head engineer who gasp is a rocket scientist. Elon thinks he knows things about cars, that's why he's bike shedding Tesla into ruin - that's where he spends his 120 hour weeks. He know he isn't an actual rocket scientist, so he just hires smart people to actually do the stuff SpaceX does. Case in point, SpaceX routinely misses dates he announces, but they deliver crazy poo poo out of a science fiction movie (tail-landing rockets). For Tesla he produces production estimates that are so wrong the SEC is involved and produces only some of the promised produced; what product is produced might trap you in a lithium-fueled inferno. If he was spending 120 hour weeks, month after month, at SpaceX they'd have dropped a booster on a city by now.
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mandatory lesbian posted:How much was Elon involved with PayPal, like did he code for it or just pay someone else to do it he tried to make PayPal move all its servers - not desktops, but servers - from Unix to Windows NT.
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mllaneza posted:Elon thinks he knows things about cars, that's why he's bike shedding Tesla into ruin - that's where he spends his 120 hour weeks. He know he isn't an actual rocket scientist, so he just hires smart people to actually do the stuff SpaceX does. Case in point, SpaceX routinely misses dates he announces, but they deliver crazy poo poo out of a science fiction movie (tail-landing rockets). For Tesla he produces production estimates that are so wrong the SEC is involved and produces only some of the promised produced; what product is produced might trap you in a lithium-fueled inferno. If he was spending 120 hour weeks, month after month, at SpaceX they'd have dropped a booster on a city by now. Elon needs to have all these lunatic promises about Tesla because they're the only thing keeping the company afloat. The company is hilariously in debt, has no ability to issue new debt, and burns cash like its going out of style. Its only hope to keep cash coming in the door is (a) keep up stock prices so they can issue equity and (b) collect pre-order deposits, which are basically unsecured interest-free loans. Mostly (b). The company's only hope is to survive long enough they work out all the kinks in their production lines and can actually earn the profits they're projecting, so that they can start paying down debt. To survive that long, they need new cash. So he has to keep up the crazy poo poo like announcing vaporware to collect more pre-order deposits in the hope that he can get enough cash to survive long enough. Musk's crazy ability to spin is why a company that everyone knows is doomed has such a high stock price which is how they keep the plates spinning. Of course, it's brazen securities fraud at this point and the whole house of cards is going to collapse. It's also why he feels like he's working crazy hours because he's probably stressed out about it day and night because when it collapses he's going to be destroyed.
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divabot posted:he tried to make PayPal move all its servers - not desktops, but servers - from Unix to Windows NT. i want to be clear, i have a literal zero knowledge of computer programming or indeed, anything about them beyond the most basic concepts so while i think you for explaining i now need an explanation for the explanation
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Elon started x.com which was an early internet based credit card processor using his family's connections to sign deals with the credit card companies. PayPal at the time only had access to banks and wanted to expand into supporting credit cards as well. So PayPal bought x.com for a lot of money. Musk kept trying to do stupid things like the aforementioned swapping OSes so PayPal sent him on his way.
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mandatory lesbian posted:i want to be clear, i have a literal zero knowledge of computer programming or indeed, anything about them beyond the most basic concepts There are perfectly viable Unix-based server OSes (in fact a lot of the internet runs on them). There is also Windows Server which is a minimally acceptable OS to put on a server. Windows NT is neither, it’s trash for single user office PCs and such, and the guys working in any real IT department would revolt if someone tried to make them install desktop Windows on servers.
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Windows NT was absolutely trash, I can't argue with that, but it was the basis of Microsoft's OS for servers, not just workstations and embedded systems (although it was also available for those).
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suck my woke dick posted:There are perfectly viable Unix-based server OSes (in fact a lot of the internet runs on them). There is also Windows Server which is a minimally acceptable OS to put on a server. Windows NT is neither, it’s trash for single user office PCs and such, and the guys working in any real IT department would revolt if someone tried to make them install desktop Windows on servers. ah, okay, thanks
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suck my woke dick posted:There are perfectly viable Unix-based server OSes (in fact a lot of the internet runs on them). There is also Windows Server which is a minimally acceptable OS to put on a server. Windows NT is neither, it’s trash for single user office PCs and such, and the guys working in any real IT department would revolt if someone tried to make them install desktop Windows on servers. Windows NT was the server version of Windows (or actually one of the NT sku's was, there were also desktop sku's). Windows NT is actually the predecessor of all current Windows versions (both desktop and server). Granted Windows NT did not have a very strong position in the server market, and it was defiantly not the safe choice, but it is also not a completely insane idea.
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