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neaden posted:I've been reading through this and like what I see so far but there are a lot of typos and mistakes. The sample character generation for instance doesn't use the right point value for their archetype, and I think at least one of the attribute arrays wasn't calculated right. This really needs another editing pass. Yeah I'm liking the mechanics I've seen, but it can be really hard to follow and I keep seeing the same tables copied over and over again
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The Lone Badger posted:There seems to be surprisingly little discussion online of W+G. The busiest forum I've seen was the Ulisses one and that's fairly dead. From what I've seen it's basically a reskin of the Star Wars RPG. What's there to talk about?
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The Lone Badger posted:There seems to be surprisingly little discussion online of W+G. The busiest forum I've seen was the Ulisses one and that's fairly dead. FFG has it's poo poo together and puts out some good stuff, and with the ranges it's done you can play pretty much any type of character you want. All those lines covers just about the totality of the 40k experience, and the only thing it lacks is.....some fluff for M42 changes? I mean Primaris Marines on a crunch level are just "Boost their Unnatural Traits slightly, call it a day". Stuff like that. "They don't have jetpacks they have gravpacks". "I don't know, make the difficulty of Warp navigation rolls slightly harder if you are in the Dark Imperium". There's not a lot you have to do if you want to play a 'modern' game. So to really grab people W+G doesn't need to be good, it needs to be great. It's not quite there yet, if they release a couple of quality expansions I imagine it could pick up steam. Same thing that happens any time there's a rule change, people need to justify switching over. They might get there. They might not. Wouldn't be the first time GW blew up a good thing switching developers.
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Klaus88 posted:
Where was this lol.
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"You take a direct hit from a rail rifle."
"Crap, how much damage does it do?"
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The Lone Badger posted:There seems to be surprisingly little discussion online of W+G. The busiest forum I've seen was the Ulisses one and that's fairly dead. It's not out yet.
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mango sentinel posted:It's not out yet. It's on drivethru
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Clanpot Shake posted:It's on drivethru Oh, cool! I dunno then.
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FFG has made a lot of books, but they're also pretty deeply flawed. Rogue Trader in particular has so many problems and so much focus on unnecessary details that it's nearly unplayable for some people.
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It's still leagues ahead of Deathwatch, which is now and shall ever be the also-ran of that entire line.
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Aug 19, 2018 05:35
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I just want an everything -> Black Crusade conversion book.
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Im loling that we are saying FFG books were good.
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breaking the game worse than shadowrun was p easy
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Viva Miriya posted:breaking the game worse than shadowrun was p easy And that's hilarious.
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I didn't get a shot at any of the other 40K FFG stuff, but Black Crusade was real lovely poo poo 40k fans continue trying to give passes to licensed stuff no matter how bad it is
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Sodomy Hussein posted:40k fans continue trying to give passes to licensed stuff no matter how bad it is Says Mr. d20? How did that go, by the way?
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yeah like I'd say the big difference between FFG 40k and WnG is the latter is something I could see myself actually playing and enjoying I like the ideas of the FFG games but there's way too many fiddly bits Blockhouse fucked around with this message at 12:33 on Aug 19, 2018 |
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Clanpot Shake posted:Sure but that's still a lot of unnecessary ink for texture. Maybe it's possible to delete the background so it's just white? You should just be able to print in black and white from your print settings. The window that comes up with all the options when you hit print. E: I think I misinterpreted. Teach me to post within 30 seconds of waking up. You could just export it to an image and erase chunks, but that won't be pretty. Emailing them might work, as deleting the background and putting up another PDF should be like 2 minutes of work for them. Felime fucked around with this message at 12:38 on Aug 19, 2018 |
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Felime posted:You should just be able to print in black and white from your print settings. The window that comes up with all the options when you hit print. I think he's saying that the page is textured, so even if it's black and white it's still using black ink to try and render the texture instead of just text on white. In this case, you need a PDF editor to remove the layer that contains the texture.
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If you want to try, there are options to convert pdfs to a word document. They're not perfect but it might be a place to start.
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SteelMentor posted:https://twitter.com/pegastyx/status/1030758440292032512
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Do you want to preserve the scripts on the pdf or just have a printable blank?
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goatface posted:Do you want to preserve the scripts on the pdf or just have a printable blank? A printable blank
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Oh, well this should be both anyway. It still has a bit of shading on the table of skills. https://drive.google.com/open?id=13IEXI9XGMpyF_ZfAZ_IT0I7lbMKNeHrJ
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goatface posted:Oh, well this should be both anyway. It still has a bit of shading on the table of skills. This is great, thanks
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goatface posted:Oh, well this should be both anyway. It still has a bit of shading on the table of skills. Doing the Emperor's work. *high five*
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Schadenboner posted:Says Mr. d20? Fine really, I had fun doing it and the one person in the thread who actually read it was helpful.
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I’m still sad that the Deathwatch stuff came out during the long period while Genestealer Cults were in the “semi-canonical” category. I think busting cults in the Jericho Reach would make for a great Only War campaign. Not hard to make on my own obviously but I would have liked to have seen FFG’s take on them.
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How easily would Only War (I think that’s the name of the guard game) translate to a game set initially on a medieval planet? I am currently running a play by post game for my friends that is set in the 40k universe, only they don’t know it yet (they are completely unfamiliar with the setting). I was going to have them design a “banner” instead of a regiment for an upcoming war with some orcs and then eventually when their nation starts to get over run their mission will be to activate an ancient technology to call for help (like in the book Brothers of the Snake) at which point drop ships will arrive laden with guard and its off to the races! So does the game have anything to help me figure out dice rolls for melee weapons or will I have to fudge some stuff until the imperium arrives with its fancy weaponry? Right now I’m keeping it very simple and mainly making up dice values as I go along, but once I get the book in hand I plan to take things more seriously. Hot Dog Day #82 fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Aug 19, 2018 |
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I know they have rules for Feral World armies.
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Your main problem is going to be that orks are really really tough to kill in melee if you're not a space marine. Load up on two handers and melee talents. In addition, OW assumes a modern (or semi modern) approach where everyone is moving and taking cover as a unit but rarely side by side. Fighting feral orks with a spearwall might work out but at this point you're in WFRP territory.
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Ronwayne posted:Your main problem is going to be that orks are really really tough to kill in melee if you're not a space marine. Load up on two handers and melee talents. In addition, OW assumes a modern (or semi modern) approach where everyone is moving and taking cover as a unit but rarely side by side. Fighting feral orks with a spearwall might work out but at this point you're in WFRP territory. Yeah, true enough! I was thinking of just slashing down the Ork health pool for the time being to make them easier to manage. Thank you for mentioning “WFRP” too since I completely forgot that could be a thing. I’ll look into that, too!
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Well-known hack-and-slash simulator WFRP?
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You have a bunch of rules for primitive weapons and tactics [Including mounted combat in Hammer of the Emperor], but orks are a son of a bitch. Even if you use the feral orks rule in Only War [Basically they don't have the high tech, and maybe some of them will have basic pistols. Mostly melee weapons and no crazy vehicles.] they are still scary. Hammer gives you some options that add Felling to attacks, which could be useful for mounted charges or bow attacks. Maybe give them some weapons with Felling added on to help them out, and a bunch of help to soak up enemies.
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I really like the idea of orks being some age old pervasive threat to a medieval society, but I appreciate the experience you guys have with this game so I guess I’ll do a bit of editing! Perhaps I’ll have the players fight some human mountain tribes for a bit that are being “pushed” into their civilized homes by rampaging unseen orks, as a kind of play on ancient history and take it from there. Thanks! I’ll for sure look into the feral world rule set.
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Remove True Grit or whatever the one it is that reduces Critical hits. That makes everything a slog. At least they're not as bad as rogue trader rpg era orks where if they were set on fire, they'd go to sleep, unharmed. Also how feudal is this world? Like, everyone is living in mud or do nobles and etc have some kind of hoarded high tech?
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The only thing I'm really looking forward to from W&G is Eldar stuff. I was kinda bummed that FFG never put anything out for that really, so if we get some really cool sourcebooks and adventures, I'm down. That being said I'm probably going to play Warhammer 4th more (which hopefully doesnt suck)
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If you're high-tech enough, load up on hunting lances. They pack a hefty punch. Be rough riders. The speed of the mount is going to be useful against primitive orkz, it'll let your players decide or avoid engagements, and it might make it easier to get dodging up. Go all out and be rough riders on dragons and be a metal album cover!  You can do some pretty ridiculous poo poo with rough riders; I think I worked out a build that could sprint faster than an Eldar jetbike, and also fly (slower), and that was before pumping them full of combat drugs.
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And I mean even in our history the cannon was around in the 13th century. It's old as hell. Early grenades are 8th century. Even if you want to keep them super low tech, heavy weapons can still be a thing. You can just make them a bit unreliable or potentially dangerous [Not like you can't blow your rear end up with a plasma weapon too], or you can just give them grenades and hunting lances and file the names off. You still have to basically ork the orks [Mass on them to wear them down], but you can keep it straight and still have a big scary fight versus feral orks before the Guard shows up and goes "Orks without guns and armor? Oh man it's like Sanguinala!" and tank rushes the hell out of them. e: Let some dudes with high Fellowship order folks around, the sacrifice of nameless hordes will serve them well in the Guard. Mulva fucked around with this message at 04:57 on Aug 20, 2018 |
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Dre2Dee2 posted:The only thing I'm really looking forward to from W&G is Eldar stuff. I was kinda bummed that FFG never put anything out for that really, so if we get some really cool sourcebooks and adventures, I'm down. I think they said the second adventure book was going to be Eldar focused but there's also an Eldar mission in Dark Tides
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Humans fighting Orks with primitive hand weapons is suicide. A Feudal world that gets hit by a Rok is a world that's going to be an Ork world in a few months. Only War has all those fancy combat maneuvers and pieces of gear because you need them to win against enemies that can laugh off basic weapons. Player characters don't even carry lasguns, those are for your replacable comrades. I'm not saying it can't be done, but you will need to think about how to give the players the teamwork advantage they need to beat the bullshit stats that Orks get.
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