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Asphyxious posted:Oh boy can’t wait to post in the spec games thread about how much I’m getting into Necrom- racist
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I think it’s a model with some really cool details and it’s peak Blanche but the KKK similarities will be really apparent to people familiar with American culture. Just the hood would be pushing it but the nooses add too much loaded imagery on top of it. Not that the Spanish Inquisition was great either but we don’t have them holding rallies in our major cities in TYOLuigi 2018.
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Aug 19, 2018 04:41
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Yeast posted:what's your gang? Cawdor Philthy posted:racist 
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Aug 19, 2018 07:11
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Asphyxious posted:Cawdor Best Gang in the Underhive  I've almost finished my first test mini for the gang. Pretty happy.
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Aug 19, 2018 07:49
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My partner mentioned to me something about the Klan-like model that I didn't potentially see until it was mentioned, that GW could be subtly trying to appeal to the loving chuds. If so, gently caress that noise.
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Aug 19, 2018 08:37
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Yeast posted:First Cawdor Ganger, testing the colour scheme for the rest of them, pretty happy- I think the orange/green combo works pretty well. x-postin'
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Aug 19, 2018 08:44
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Yeast posted:x-postin' Love their grenades are just molitovs.
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Aug 19, 2018 08:54
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SRM posted:I think it’s a model with some really cool details and it’s peak Blanche but the KKK similarities will be really apparent to people familiar with American culture. Just the hood would be pushing it but the nooses add too much loaded imagery on top of it. Lots of people yesterday were hoping at the very least that the head piece is separate so that owners can switch out if they want to - Having built a few of the FW special characters I think it probably will be, the way that the candles and stuff are positioned around the shoulders as well as the deep collar would make that whole bit difficult to cast in one piece. Foul Ole Ron posted:My partner mentioned to me something about the Klan-like model that I didn't potentially see until it was mentioned, that GW could be subtly trying to appeal to the loving chuds. Who knows, as it’s GW (actually it’s FW and we’ve definitely heard that management there is toxic and awful) but considering how much GW has been working to become more inclusive I can only believe it to be a mistake, until further details come to light.
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Don't be daft, there is a zero percent chance they did this on purpose to increase sales amongst the racist oval office demographic.
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Aug 19, 2018 10:02
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My hobby social circle is, except for SA, 99% British and not a single person has spotted or expressed concern over the possible subtext. It’s kind of fascinating to me that there’s such a huge difference in reaction to it.
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ineptmule posted:My hobby social circle is, except for SA, 99% British and not a single person has spotted or expressed concern over the possible subtext. It’s kind of fascinating to me that there’s such a huge difference in reaction to it. Same deal in Australia. It's a regional thing - we'll see if its on GW's radar
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Aug 19, 2018 10:17
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ineptmule posted:My hobby social circle is, except for SA, 99% British and not a single person has spotted or expressed concern over the possible subtext. It’s kind of fascinating to me that there’s such a huge difference in reaction to it. This seems to have been the root of a large part of the shitiness yesterday. The idea that people outside of the US A) didn't immediately identify it as Klan related B) genuinely do see it as more of an executioner trope. Completely impossible, must be a nazi. EDIT: Before I get dogpiled, I'm on the "GW seriously can do better in tyool 2018" side. TTerrible fucked around with this message at 10:39 on Aug 19, 2018 |
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Aug 19, 2018 10:23
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It's still not OK to dismiss it though. I remember a similar thing when Bush referred to Pakistanis erroneously as Pakis (not a racist slur in US but akin to the N word for us Brits) and lots of us Brits on SA had a head fit but were then told we were over reacting by American posters. It's easy to unintentionally gently caress up. I dont think a Klan look was what GW was going for for one minute Everyone needs to be a little more thoughtful Edit - yeah I think that's obvious tterible from your posts in here Serotonin fucked around with this message at 10:43 on Aug 19, 2018 |
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Aug 19, 2018 10:41
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I remember getting a load of abuse in a baseball thread because I used the cricketing term "Chinaman" . Fun times.
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Aug 19, 2018 10:47
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It definitely looks more like something went wrong in cultural translation to the US. I'd hope the figure at least comes with an alternate head over here. I picked up AT yesterday and I feel like I'm just getting started with 40k again. It's overwhelming in a fun way.
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Aug 19, 2018 14:09
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Yeast posted:what's your gang? He needs to check with the posters in this thread first to find out which gang they find least offensive. e: lol. In the time to took me to post my throwaway comment there were another 8 or so replies on cultural sensitivity. Never change Specialist Games thread.
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Das_Ubermike posted:He needs to check with the posters in this thread first to find out which gang they find least offensive. drat, you sure owned those specialst games posters
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Aug 19, 2018 15:50
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Das_Ubermike posted:He needs to check with the posters in this thread first to find out which gang they find least offensive. A little late to the party bud.
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Aug 19, 2018 15:54
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Posting badly to own the libs
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I hope they do end up changing the pointy head at least. Leave the shitlords behind and purge them from the hobby. God forbid GW continue trying to build a positive fan community and not throw away all the good will they’ve gotten over the past year. Lungboy posted:I remember getting a load of abuse in a baseball thread because I used the cricketing term "Chinaman" . Fun times. As a Chinese guy that knows nothing about cricket, yeah, I would be mad at that.
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Aug 19, 2018 16:43
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Serotonin posted:It's still not OK to dismiss it though. This is an excellent example and you're absolutely right. Americans were nonplussed, and we were mortified and absolutely outraged. Hell, I remember having real trouble sticking with the Black Hawk Down book because of that word.
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Yeast posted:To answer your question, Melbourne Australia Well at least you've got one opponent you (presumably) also consider cool enough to hang out with! May you prosper in your search for more. Surely Australia is full of post-apocalyptic gangs anyway, you should be set? Yeast posted:x-postin' This is loving great dude. Perfect mix of dirty, mixed drab colours and a splash of something really vivid to catch the eye.
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Genghis Cohen posted:Well at least you've got one opponent you (presumably) also consider cool enough to hang out with! May you prosper in your search for more. Surely Australia is full of post-apocalyptic gangs anyway, you should be set? Don't be silly, Necromunda is post-industrial, not post-apocalyptic
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Yeast posted:To answer your question, Melbourne Australia Btw yeast I’m also in Melbourne and keen to Necromunda so there’s that at least!
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Genghis Cohen posted:
Thank you! Asphyxious posted:Btw yeast I’m also in Melbourne and keen to Necromunda so there’s that at least! Well isn't this bloody lovely. and who said this was a dead forum. I'll hit you up for some games once all the lads are assembled and painted 
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Aug 19, 2018 23:26
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Yeast posted:Thank you! Awesome! Assured Cawdor victory!
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Genghis Cohen posted:Surely Australia is full of post-apocalyptic gangs anyway, you should be set?. Whenever I meet Australians in Bangkok, I ask them if that documentary series about the gas shortage is accurate. My goal is to see how long I can drag out the vague descriptions of Australia's unique fashion sense and violent crime waves before they realize I'm just talking about Mad Max.
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Atlas Hugged posted:Whenever I meet Australians in Bangkok, I ask them if that documentary series about the gas shortage is accurate. My goal is to see how long I can drag out the vague descriptions of Australia's unique fashion sense and violent crime waves before they realize I'm just talking about Mad Max. 
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Atlas Hugged posted:Whenever I meet Australians in Bangkok, I ask them if that documentary series about the gas shortage is accurate. My goal is to see how long I can drag out the vague descriptions of Australia's unique fashion sense and violent crime waves before they realize I'm just talking about Mad Max. This genuinely made me laugh. I think we're so loving gullible to we'd go along with you right until then end
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I ran into a random Australian a few weeks ago that I was able to keep going for like 10 minutes as they got more and more flustered since they had no idea what I was talking about. His Kiwi friend was wiping tears from his eyes he was laughing so hard.
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ijyt posted:I'm going to pick up Cawdor for sure, looks like they could make decent cultists for Killteam with black legion colours. Traitor! Foul Ole Ron posted:Love their grenades are just molitovs. I think that's supposed to be the incendiary charges they get from the get go, though I wouldn't expect a simple molotov to cover the big blast area with flaming stuff. If I ever got Cawdor, I'd probably try and and go leather, then blue/red fro the colored bits. I like models, but I dislike the blue. Feels... very unzealous and unmedieval.
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Anyone got any suggestions about a good basic loadout for Cawdor gangers and Juves? I’m very new to Necromunda and want to avoid cruddy choices. Like Polearms look cool but how do they compare to just taking Autoguns etc. Asphyxious fucked around with this message at 10:32 on Aug 20, 2018 |
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The look awesome and give you a melee weapon, so take all of them. I'd give blunderbuss to a champ, tho.
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Atlas Hugged posted:Whenever I meet Australians in Bangkok, I ask them if that documentary series about the gas shortage is accurate. My goal is to see how long I can drag out the vague descriptions of Australia's unique fashion sense and violent crime waves before they realize I'm just talking about Mad Max. Atlas Hugged posted:I ran into a random Australian a few weeks ago that I was able to keep going for like 10 minutes as they got more and more flustered since they had no idea what I was talking about. His Kiwi friend was wiping tears from his eyes he was laughing so hard. You are a beautiful, terrible human being. Asphyxious posted:Anyone got any suggestions about a good basic loadout for Cawdor gangers and Juves? I’m very new to Necromunda and want to avoid cruddy choices. I amn't too clear on the relative benefits of polearms vs autoguns, but I did think that Juves can only be given pistols & cc weapons? Can't remember if that was replaced by the limit of 20 creds on any of their starting gear, or whether both restrictions apply. In any case, the standard thing for Juves I have seen is a stub pistol or autopistol, either with a second one or a cheap cc weapon. (so an axe or club for Cawdor) This looks pretty good visually, they look subordinate to your proper Gangers, and it works alright tactically - they run up and have a swing at non-cc-equipped Gangers, and even more coup-de-grace charge at downed fighters, forcing your opponent to deal with them. Using them as firepower troops would be unwise even in they have the weapon options, their BS means you can spend rounds and rounds just getting nowhere. So basically I'd advise the polearms, conventional rifles, maybe some cc/pistols on your Gangers. Try to avoid making any one model too valuable, so for example if you take grenades (bomb rats!) do so on one with cheaper kit. Then have all your Juves as cheap as possible.
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By the way, can Juves buy armor? Cos Yaktribe builder allows it...
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JcDent posted:By the way, can Juves buy armor? Cos Yaktribe builder allows it... As long as it doesn’t cost more than 20 credits, yes.
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JcDent posted:The look awesome and give you a melee weapon, so take all of them. Blunderbuss polarm instead of autogun polearm?
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Asphyxious posted:Blunderbuss polarm instead of autogun polearm? Ya, though my reasoning is mainly "it's more expensive, so it only makes sense!" E: showed a KT demo to a harlequin player Saturday and he was not happy about the retreat mechanic. Luckily for him, I only used it once (I basically forgot it). Had I not, things might have gone very differently, especially when he got close enough to my back line, which would have meant more close range, unobstructed fire. Giving us regular IG instead of Vets was a mistake. JcDent fucked around with this message at 12:34 on Aug 20, 2018 |
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ineptmule posted:As long as it doesn’t cost more than 20 credits, yes. Supposedly this rule has been changed to - starting weapons can not cost more than 20 credits. According to the FB group, anyway.
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glitchkrieg posted:Supposedly this rule has been changed to - starting weapons can not cost more than 20 credits. According to the FB group, anyway. I believe that's right, yes. Partly because Juves should (in the designers' vision) start to become rising stars, overtaking your Gangers, as they gain Advances, well before they actually promote to Champions. And partly because they loving love selling hand flamers in the FW weapon packs, and someone has to carry them! BTW, I really think the Juve-Champ thing needs rethinking. I don't have any practical experience playing new-Necro campaigns, but it seems like getting a Juve anywhere near the starting profile of a Champion (great stats, pick one primary skill) is a vanishingly small possibility. So in practice, you'd be more likely to seek to hire in new Champs once your Rep level allows. Maybe that's not the case? Perhaps if you foster your Juves well you can end up with 4-6 Champs well before your Rep would allow it, so even if their stats have some weaknesses your gang is collecting loads of income and doing post-game actions? Do Juves gain XP faster than I imagine? Also, I seem to see a change in the 'Dominion Campaign' rules in GW4. It appears the cumulative 2XP charge for Advances is for each statistic, not overall. Am I reading this wrong? Was it already like that?
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