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CharlestheHammer posted:Is that real. it's at gamescom, it's real
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The UI is looking gently caress ugly, but I assume there's still a lot of cleaning up to do, and modders will polish it up anyway. I'm not gonna lie though, I'm less sanguine about the representations of class and party politics so far. There doesn't seem to be a lot of interest in how any of this stuff actually like... behaved historically? At least I don't see how you get things like the Conflict of the Orders, the back and forth struggle between Optimates and Populares, Roman vs Pan-Italian citizenship and the Social War, agrarian reform and the latifundia, etc. Admittedly I'm pretty  about this setting, it's basically my Paradox weak point
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Fuligin posted:The UI is looking gently caress ugly, but I assume there's still a lot of cleaning up to do, and modders will polish it up anyway. i don't think they, like, set the color scheme to beige on tan by mistake
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Prav posted:i don't think they, like, set the color scheme to beige on tan by mistake I mean more for the icons and stuff. The hideous beige is gonna be a day 1 mod fix
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Fuligin posted:The UI is looking gently caress ugly, but I assume there's still a lot of cleaning up to do, and modders will polish it up anyway. They're not making a fun new game with enhanced grognardry for Rome fanatics, they're making a sequel to their previous flawed-but-fun Rome game which will almost certainly retain much of the core game mechanics and will put "is actually vaguely historical" near the bottom of the priority pile because Johan.
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johan's entirely correct that ultimately a game has to be fun, but i think he's too quick to discard grounding mechanics in actual historical behavior
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Aug 20, 2018 21:11
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They should make the 3d character models less creepy and staring, but keep the platypus.
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Aug 20, 2018 21:17
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Platypus mod, replaces all character portraits with platypuses.
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RabidWeasel posted:They're not making a fun new game with enhanced grognardry for Rome fanatics, they're making a sequel to their previous flawed-but-fun Rome game which will almost certainly retain much of the core game mechanics and will put "is actually vaguely historical" near the bottom of the priority pile because Johan. I think the idea that historicity and gameplay are somehow opposite poles on a spectrum is just dumb as hell. I don't actually desire that Imperator have an excruciatingly detailed (or even Vicky level, for that matter) internal socio-economic internal simulation, but my big issue is that the system as it's been detailed so far doesn't really describe any civilization of this time period, whether that be Roman, Persian, Hellenistic, or whatever, at which point why bother?
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Fuligin posted:The UI is looking gently caress ugly, but I assume there's still a lot of cleaning up to do, and modders will polish it up anyway. agreed, that's a big part of why the populists just being a straight up negative party is grating. it shows a lack of understanding about what makes the classical period so interesting - it's really very modern in some ways, while utterly backward in others. the classical period needs detailed pops and a sophisticated political/legal system almost as much as the victorian era does it doesn't need to be the confusing black box of v2 - there should just be a lot of fault lines in society that cause internal tensions and that there is no one right answer to solving
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I'm sure Paradox will address this after a dozen DLCs or so. edit: Just to show I'm not shitposting, I love Paradox's games, and I do think fun should be the top priority, but I also think historical authenticity and modeling the various politicking going on around this time can only enhance the game. Otherwise, you might as well set it during any time period. rudecyrus fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Aug 20, 2018 |
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Aug 20, 2018 22:41
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Once Wiz is done with Stellaris he'll fix Rome, too
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I know Johan thinks Stalin did nothing wrong but that's no reason to turn Wiz into Zhukov
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Jackie D posted:Once Wiz is done with Stellaris he'll fix Rome, too What, again?
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catlord posted:What, again? Stellaris is a game set in space. Rome was an historical entity and also a game set in the time period of that entity. Wiz is a developer at paradox working on said space game. I think I covered all the confusion points.
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Senor Dog posted:Stellaris is a game set in space. Rome was an historical entity and also a game set in the time period of that entity. Wiz is a developer at paradox working on said space game. I think I covered all the confusion points. There's no confusion, you just missed the joke. Wiz already fixed Rome (EU:R) by making a mod for it that made it way better.
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Drone posted:I'm pumped for Rome 2 and all but man if that UI isn't off-putting to me for some reason. Maybe because everything is the same granite shade. Crazycryodude posted:The marble UI theme is a bad choice imo, the pale yellow-white is terrible for color contrast and making things easily recognizable. Prav posted:i'm not sure what's up with the art direction in general. it's certainly a step down from ck2 and eu4  I like the 3d ladies and dudes a lot though!
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DrSunshine posted:Platypus mod, replaces all character portraits with platypuses.  UI's fine, though.
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Arrhythmia posted:There's no confusion, you just missed the joke. Wiz already fixed Rome (EU:R) by making a mod for it that made it way better. Whoops
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It sounds like it's just the conclave system from ck2 but with a whole bunch of characters instead of just 5, and instead of favors, you muck around with the composition of the legislative body. It's not their allegiance so much as their predilections in considering the player's course of action. I have no idea how they'd go about trying to make some kind of dynamic faction system that would better suit your standards, but I don't think there's any real way to model the capriciousness of democracy in a single player game, and for the purposes of gameplay, you're just going to want an easy way to judge the opinions the governing body has on your actions en masse rather than having to figure out opinion polls to game a vote every time you wanna scratch your rear end.
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Strudel Man posted:Platypodes. Platypii 
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platypii mana
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Having not played Rome 1, factions seem pretty cool. I'm hopeful that this'll be the EU4 killer for me.
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I'm really excited about internal political struggle and the faction system. It's basically my favorite thing. I'm really glad to hear how each group provides different modifiers. The dev diary thread is already full of people wanting to know the benefit of staying as a republic instead of consolidating power. Well gee, I wonder why the Roman Consuls didn't think of that?  For my post-apoc mod, I've already outlined 8 political groups (parties, instead of factions, but by general title instead of specific party name - Conservative, Liberal, Socialist, Libertarian, Nationalist, Green, Communist, Progressive). I tried to go with 5, but I just couldn't help myself. Now I'm just trying to come up with modifiers for each!
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If it's a different selection of the factions for different tags I think having more variety is good. They mentioned these are just the factions for republics, so I expect there'll be more for other government types? I dunno how it worked in Rome 1 though. I'm actually really excited about the possibility of consolidating power through it, I really love that sense of progress in games as you centralize, but very few games do it. And I think the modding potential for that is really good too--for my Warring States China mod, I think I'm gonna have the factions represent the various feudal lords, and you fight to consolidate them and bump them off the list as the major part of centralizing your state. (Based on the single dev diary we've seen on it though, so who knows what will change.)
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I love that there are multiple people in this thread already working for mods of a game that is not likely to be it for a while. I wonder when they will announce a beta. I remember applying a while back and I feel like my application was really great, so I can't wait to find it that I did not get in 
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I really hope the populari aren’t just the villian faction like the first game. I want my Gracchan Republic.
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Wiz cant even handle the idea of socialist/anarchist starts in stellaris bereft of rich fuckers with high consumer goods takes. Populares will always just be an bad faction.
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StealthArcher posted:Wiz cant even handle the idea of socialist/anarchist starts in stellaris bereft of rich fuckers with high consumer goods takes. Populares will always just be an bad faction. https://twitter.com/Martin_Anward/status/1030739504011911168 Seems like he can though?
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Just give it time. In Imperator 2.0 the system will be able to handle a "Council of Wives" tribe hell-bent on imposing the matriarchy on Europe or an Atlantis-like utopia of philosopher-kings. Also, maybe, something more historical
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Pacho posted:Also, maybe, something more historical I believe they've already said there won't be two consuls for Rome, which I found extremely disappointing.
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Pacho posted:Just give it time. In Imperator 2.0 the system will be able to handle a "Council of Wives" tribe hell-bent on imposing the matriarchy on Europe or an Atlantis-like utopia of philosopher-kings. Also, maybe, something more historical
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Agean90 posted:I know Johan thinks Stalin did nothing wrong but that's no reason to turn Wiz into Zhukov Zhukov was amazing though.  
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double nine posted:Zhukov was amazing though. No arguments here, but if wiz is gonna be uncle Johan's troubleshooter it's only a matter of time before he locks groogy in a room with a shot of vodka and a pistol with only one round
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Pacho posted:Just give it time. In Imperator 2.0 the system will be able to handle a "Council of Wives" tribe hell-bent on imposing the matriarchy on Europe or an Atlantis-like utopia of philosopher-kings. Also, maybe, something more historical An invasion by the aliens that built the pyramids would own. EDIT: Bonus points if you can import your species from Stellaris to do it.
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CharlestheHammer posted:I really hope the populari aren’t just the villian faction like the first game.
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Lance of Llanwyln posted:Yeah. They should probably make it cost less to do things(and make lower-strata pops a bit happier), at the price of pissing off everyone who ISN'T a Populist. If you generate a lot of tyranny(easier to do with the Populists in-charge), you might run into a disaster where the other factions band together to support a general to restore proper patrician values to government. Yeah being a populari shouldn’t be easy but it should at least being a thing if you want it. Same with staying Republic
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The game is looking at the benefits from the perspective of the state. As players, playing as the state, we sacrifice power and control for morality. It's all very meta, and I think in a good way. For some people, morality has no application in games (or for others, even life). That being said, I think there should be some benefit to having the Populists in power. Revolt Risk reduction, perhaps?
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