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Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin
P-38 Lightning, from a war memorial on the Solomon Islands. Click for big.



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Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
So by "war memorial" they mean "partially-landscaped crash site?"

Which is kind of cool actually.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.
HDR like that is technically a war crime.

Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade



Phanatic posted:

HDR like that is technically a war crime.

It's more like a war misdemeanor

ArchangeI
Jul 15, 2010

Shooting Blanks posted:

This post made me think of a question, probably for Cyrano - my knowledge of travel between East and West Germany during the Cold War is pretty limited, but my basic understanding is that East Germany made it really goddamn difficult to cross the border due to fear of defectors (at least in Berlin - I don't know about the rest of it), whereas West Germans were relatively free to travel to and from (still with restrictions). When an East German made it across the border, whether defecting or on an approved visit, how were they treated/greeted? Were they seen as outsiders, foreigners who happened to share a language, or was it more of a "Welcome, countryman!" greeting? I'd have to imagine the latter, seeing as the split was purely political and driven by external forces, but I don't really know.

For political reasons the West German government never acknowledged that any thing like a separate East German citizenship. East Germans were by definition West German citizens. If they were visiting on non-official business, they got a little gift in West German money (this caused some issues in Berlin on November 10, 1989 because everyone was cashing in). If they defected properly they were housed in transition camps until they could get back on their feet.

MrChips
Jun 10, 2005

FLIGHT SAFETY TIP: Fatties out first

Fearless posted:

It was vastly better than the CF-100, which was also known as the Clunk and the Lead Sled.

The CF-100 was, for a very brief period of time, the most advanced all-weather interceptor in the world. Of course considering the pace with which aviation was evolving at the time, this was a very brief accolade.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Shooting Blanks posted:

It's more like a war misdemeanor

I was thinking it was like blinding weaponry.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

MrChips posted:

The CF-100 was, for a very brief period of time, the most advanced all-weather interceptor in the world. Of course considering the pace with which aviation was evolving at the time, this was a very brief accolade.

Likely still holds the record for most nuns killed without using ordnance.

Terrifying Effigies
Oct 22, 2008

Problems look mighty small from 150 miles up.

Vahakyla posted:

Swedes Goons in Congo is Cold War as gently caress, and anyone who argues is an idiot.

bewbies
Sep 23, 2003

Fun Shoe

MrChips posted:

The CF-100 was, for a very brief period of time, the most advanced all-weather interceptor in the world. Of course considering the pace with which aviation was evolving at the time, this was a very brief accolade.

Was it more highly regarded than the F-86D? I'm not trying to be internet pedant, I'm just curious if there was some not obvious advantage the CF-100 had.

MrChips
Jun 10, 2005

FLIGHT SAFETY TIP: Fatties out first

bewbies posted:

Was it more highly regarded than the F-86D? I'm not trying to be internet pedant, I'm just curious if there was some not obvious advantage the CF-100 had.

The CF-100 was a much larger aircraft; it had a larger, more powerful radar (the same radar and fire control computer as the F-89D actually), could carry more armament and had a much, much greater range than the F-86D.

The CF-100 is more comparable to the F-89 than it is to the F-86D, and it handily outperformed the F-89 in pretty much every important metric.

mlmp08 posted:

Likely still holds the record for most nuns killed without using ordnance.

:drat:

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

Fearless
Sep 3, 2003

DRINK MORE MOXIE


mlmp08 posted:

Likely still holds the record for most nuns killed without using ordnance.

Or edged weapons, I suppose.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares



:frogon:

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

Terrifying Effigies posted:

Swedes Goons in Congo

Collateral Damage fucked around with this message at 08:41 on Aug 21, 2018

JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!
OK, fuckers, which one of you lives there?

https://imgur.com/gallery/CyHGIgT

thatbastardken
Apr 23, 2010

A contract signed by a minor is not binding!

Roland the pants-less Thompson gunner

TheFluff
Dec 13, 2006

FRIENDS, LISTEN TO ME
I AM A SEAGULL
OF WEALTH AND TASTE
Swedish Gripen crashed this morning. Air Force says it was a bird strike. Pilot ejected and seems to have made it - he’s in the hospital now. It’s been a long time since an incident like this, the Air Force hasn’t lost an airframe in like the last ten years or something.

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf

thatbastardken posted:

Roland the pants-less Thompson gunner

Plinkey
Aug 4, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Posted yet?

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/iran-inaugurates-new-all-iranian-made-twin-seat-fighter-jet/

Looks like a smaller? T-38 knock off.

Alaan
May 24, 2005

I think it came up a few months ago and was generally decided as an Iranian homegrown f-5 update.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
It’s better than their previous kiddie jet with the fogged canopy.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!

Platystemon posted:

It’s better than their previous kiddie jet with the fogged canopy.

Ya, it looks like a serviceable F-5 knockoff.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
So now they've got a twin canted tail F-5, and a stretched F-5.


Ok.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
If they’re being truthful in saying it’s 100% indigenously manufactured, an actual milestone.

But there’s no way right now for open source to confirm or deny that.

AlexanderCA
Jul 21, 2010

by Cyrano4747
Yeah it's funny how they feel the need to push propaganda like that glass fiber monstrosity while actually producing a indigenous variant of a existing design or keeping their F14s flying are no poo poo serious achievements for such a sanctioned country, guess that's just not sexy enough for the leadership.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!
Making poo poo that "just works" doesn't fly in penis measurement contest.

Kebbins
Apr 9, 2017

BRAK LIVES MATTER

AlexanderCA posted:

Yeah it's funny how they feel the need to push propaganda like that glass fiber monstrosity while actually producing a indigenous variant of a existing design or keeping their F14s flying are no poo poo serious achievements for such a sanctioned country, guess that's just not sexy enough for the leadership.

That's the nature of propaganda/prolefeed. They are trying to show that their equipment is comparable (in reality just vaguely looks similar) to our state-of-the-art fighters.

While you're not wrong, the propaganda is aimed at your average citizen with a dim understanding of what a stealthy fighter looks like other than "gray with sawtooth edges and lots of trapezoids and quadrilaterals." They aren't trying to impress die-hard airpower dorks.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!
It would be nice if Iran produced a workhorse export fighter - Islamic People's F-16/F-5/Mig-21/Su-27 - but I doubt that's likely, especially when F-35 seems to setting the workhorse standard to "some stealth, please"

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
List of places who would accept delivery from Iran, could afford it, and aren’t already using Russian or domestically produced equipment:

???

JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!
Well, that too.

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


I'd accept delivery of a selection of Persian desserts straight to my facehole right about fuckin now

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

So if you had to produce a fighter in Canada for WW2-esque national defense reasons, where would you do it? Make it a local design instead of a license just for fun.

standard.deviant
May 17, 2012

Globally Indigent

Nebakenezzer posted:

So if you had to produce a fighter in Canada for WW2-esque national defense reasons, where would you do it? Make it a local design instead of a license just for fun.
Not Quebec?

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

Nebakenezzer posted:

So if you had to produce a fighter in Canada for WW2-esque national defense reasons, where would you do it? Make it a local design instead of a license just for fun.

Are we talking a WW2 tech aircraft or a modern one?

Because if it's a modern 5th gen one put it loving anywhere because at that point you're basically developing an entire industry from scratch. Drop it wherever is most convenient soviet-style and be ready to pay your engineers to relocate.

That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


My understanding is that nuclear detonations nor nuclear winter would drastically change Winnipeg.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.
Heck it might be an improvement.

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Cyrano4747 posted:

Are we talking a WW2 tech aircraft or a modern one?

Because if it's a modern 5th gen one put it loving anywhere because at that point you're basically developing an entire industry from scratch. Drop it wherever is most convenient soviet-style and be ready to pay your engineers to relocate.

I was thinking the production of a fighter aircraft of any sort is impressive and was wondering how well (say) Canadian industry would do if somebody threw down a similar challenge, IE 'build a fighter from an indigenous design.'

Frankly if we ended up with something as useful as the Gripen or the F-4 I think we would have done very well

But this is just me daydreaming. I blame this **very** in depth article about 'Ruler' class escort carriers in WW2. [Most suprising thing to me: most of 'em were converted from carriers to civilian cargo ships and at least one ocean liner post WW2] and that got me thinking 'huh, escort carriers are kinda unsexy but obviously one of those "humble but war-winning" weapons. I wonder if you could build a modern version of those?'*

*No jump jets, feel free to imagine awesome turbine STOL Moonbats and Sky Pirates if that's how it has to work.

**Obviously Canada would stage Buffaloes off of 'em and Dash 7s instead of Helicopters

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.

FrozenVent posted:

Heck it might be an improvement.

I dunno giant mosquitoes would be slightly worse than the regular ones. But not by much.

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Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS


Don’t mind me just pulling the explosives from a Latvian sea mine.

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