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Neltharak
Jun 7, 2013


That's one for bootcha and sunk cost galaxy. Also for the historical drama records. Turns out everything is proceeding according to plan to what everyone with an inkling of critical thinking said would happen.

Taxxe :

Neltharak fucked around with this message at 08:52 on Aug 22, 2018

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G0RF
Mar 19, 2015

Some galactic defender you are, Space Cadet.

Neltharak posted:

That's one for bootcha and sunk cost galaxy. Also for the historical drama records. Turns out everything is proceeding according to plan to what everyone with an inkling of critical thinking said would happen.

Read the updated post — I just saw another new one. Both read as very plausible. I assume the CitCon crunch is really making a pressure cooker.

There are a lot of anecdotal reports of departures of senior talent and elevation of juniors to fill the voids. The newest Glassdoor reviews make it look even more like a five alarm fire. Maybe somebody’s just trolling but it sure looks that way from CIG programming. So many unfamiliar faces, so few true longtimers. If an Operation: Bugout is underway from the top, that should freak the leftovers out.

Then again, the community team are having a blast on their Eurovacation so I’m sure everything is fine.

https://twitter.com/discolando/status/1031855526873772032

Neltharak
Jun 7, 2013

I genuinely feel for the devs. Crunch time is awful enough, but crunch time with no rhyme or reason that will be thrown out by your incompetent managers is soul-crushing.

What keeps you going in a project is the sense of accomplishment, the point where you look back on your month of rush and go: "wow, we made something awesome. Rest and get drunk with buddies now". CIG devs never see the fruit of their crunch.

Rugganovich
Apr 29, 2017

monkeytek posted:

Bluegoblin is going to experience a psychotic break very, very soon. I fear for him, I really do.

A stranger on the internet shilling for a company that cares only about his/her/insert gender money, 2 fucks not given

Necros
Jul 23, 2003

Neltharak posted:

I genuinely feel for the devs. Crunch time is awful enough, but crunch time with no rhyme or reason that will be thrown out by your incompetent managers is soul-crushing.

What keeps you going in a project is the sense of accomplishment, the point where you look back on your month of rush and go: "wow, we made something awesome. Rest and get drunk with buddies now". CIG devs never see the fruit of their crunch.

its the sandworm again. its back and its wriggling in all its monstrously perverse fidelity.
"YOU CALL THAT WRIGGLING?!"
the hands start waving again.
"MAKE THAT BROWN PIXEL BEIGE"
you wake up in a cold sweat

MedicineHut
Feb 25, 2016

Nyast posted:


Edit: taxxe



WHAT THE gently caress IS GOING ON IN THAT KITCHEN.

G0RF
Mar 19, 2015

Some galactic defender you are, Space Cadet.

Neltharak posted:

I genuinely feel for the devs. Crunch time is awful enough, but crunch time with no rhyme or reason that will be thrown out by your incompetent managers is soul-crushing.

What keeps you going in a project is the sense of accomplishment, the point where you look back on your month of rush and go: "wow, we made something awesome. Rest and get drunk with buddies now". CIG devs never see the fruit of their crunch.

It’s miserable. Both these reviews describe the same cultural / managerial problems that the Jennison resignation letter did back in 2015, and that ”Inside the Troubled Development of Star Citizen” did in 2016.

The stakes for CitCon 2018 are so unbelievably high. Skipping Gamescom may have spared the Devs from a pre-show crunch yet it’s as easy to believe CIG just opted to start Citcon’s show crunch earlier this time. Unfortunately they have a 3.3 crunch to overcome by CitCon, too. So much of THAT depends on OCS, which may of may not make the cut. But if it doesn’t, then any crunch done on OCS-dependent additions is just like the crunch on the 2016 Squadron vertical slice that got binned at the last minute then glorified in “The Road to CitizenCon.”

As you say, soul-crushing indeed.

Othin
Nov 20, 2002

Hair Elf

G0RF posted:

- Moral of the team is really low

That’s what we’ve been saying for years but it’s really up to Judge Gee to rule on now :cool:

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

Hav posted:

I barely really touch on the substantive parts of this whole thing, but it was really the last gasp of the Ballmer MS attempt to kill Linux, and it's worth just a read of the wiki page. From 2003 through 2016, although I stopped following the main stream of the case when it became apparent that SCO was seriously fishing.

We don't actually have a decent test case for a modern software framework because normally licenses are nonrestrictive, and it's a 'good citizen' thing to contribute back. We're fortune 500, and we're currently in the process of open-sourcing some software, which means that I'm going through the pollutant removal stage to take out proprietary information before pasting a license into it.

The important result, what killed SCO in their tracks, was the publication of a previously-secret out of court settlement between USL (former AT&T who owned System V Unix) and Regents of California (who were the copyright owners of BSD). The case was brought as a last-ditch attempt to stop BSDs from reaching the consumer market on PCs. USL accused BSD of stealing code from SysV and the result was that actually USL had been wholesale-thieving BSD code without any attribution or payment for years which would have been known to anyone with a SysV source license at the time. In the end USL had to do a lot of rewriting and BSD only a little, but the important code was API-based since there was a lot of BSD merged into the SysV API's.

Because SCO relied on those very same API's to make their claims the revealed judgement was effectively precedent. Added to this was the specific case that Novell, the owner of the APIs, had against SCO on licensing grounds, much like Crytek vs CIG/RSI in that the complaint was that SCO was abusing its contractual provisions and SCO kept saying "la la la can't hear you we can do anything because we own Unix" .

So:

* the APIs were effectively public domain or copy-written under the BSD license which only requires the copyright headers on the source.
* the remainder (SysV) were still owned by Novell who did NOT approve the use of its license to SCO in the way they were using it (that part is more complicated and I need to reread it).

If you want the guts of this, all the legal stuff is still on http://groklaw.net/, but be warned, it is a very twisty turny thing:

* SCO v Novell is worth a deep dive. The decision here began a cascade of decisions, as SCO vs IBM depended on it and that result killed off all the remaining cases (basically SCO suing a bunch of linux companies).

You see, the internet never forgets. There is always more and it is always parp :yarg:

Rugganovich
Apr 29, 2017

Colostomy Bag posted:

Anyone old enough to know what is buried in a sandbox?

Treasure or cat poo poo. This is a trick question, isn't it?

Pixelate
Jan 6, 2018

"You win by having fun"

Thoatse posted:

It should say make way for the fat furry

Dammit! :D

Pixelate
Jan 6, 2018

"You win by having fun"

G0RF posted:

quote:

PROS

Fantastic opportunities for advancement.

Gotta see the bright side...

Dark Off
Aug 14, 2015




TheAgent posted:

they still owe monies and royalties for the mocap shoots, which are still ongoing this loving year. they are still shooting mocap in 2018, after 1 principle shoot and dozens of pick ups throughout 2016 and 2017. they are still shooting mocap. gently caress me

CIG has already confirmed this 4 months ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGKe7ULph0I&t=930s At least 2 weeks of mocap has been shot this year.

Brazilianpeanutwar
Aug 27, 2015

Spent my walletfull, on a jpeg, desolate, will croberts make a whale of me yet?


Uhh new ship,underwater thing.....umm comes in yellow or orange (not yet implemented)
That'll be $700,new cash only,give us your pin while you're at it,now gently caress off.

Nyast
Nov 14, 2017

BLAZING AT THE
SPEED OF LIGHT

Zaphod42 posted:

There were also record refunds though, you don't want to deal with all of that if you can avoid it

Tons of those people who "bought" the game probably would have bought and kept the modern version but after going through a refund they're not coming back

"nowadays NMS reputation isn't so bad" counts for like the last month, and for the entire last year they were worse than a laughingstock.

I question whether #1 is true and whether they wouldn't have gotten more money otherwise, and we don't have numbers to really prove one way or another.

#2 was also a longshot and I would argue they've still got a lot of bad-will from a lot of gamers.

And you're missing the point that it took them working for a year on an already released and hated game in order to claw their way back. Not everybody could survive that. Many would throw in the towel.

Man, they sold millions of units on PC + consoles, even including the refunds. Millions.

And they're a 20-men studio, not a 500+ one like CIG.

Imagine how much profit they've made, even taking into consideration taxes + Sony/Steam's comission.

At this point they've probably made more money than Elite or Star Citizen. Let that sink.

WebDO
Sep 25, 2009


Othin posted:

That’s what we’ve been saying for years but it’s really up to Judge Gee to rule on now :cool:

Star Citizen - Moral of the team is really low

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Thoatse posted:

That woman has a huge pussy

A man goes down on a prostitute and says "Jeez, you've got a big pussy. Jeez, you've got a big pussy."

The prostitute says "I know, but you didn't have to say it twice."

The man says "I didn't. There is an echo in here!"

Pixelate
Jan 6, 2018

"You win by having fun"
Fixing the thread with this picture of my giant cat!

Breetai
Nov 6, 2005

🥄Mah spoon is too big!🍌

Agony Aunt posted:

A man goes down on a prostitute and says "Jeez, you've got a big pussy. Jeez, you've got a big pussy."

The prostitute says "I know, but you didn't have to say it twice."

The man says "I didn't. There is an echo in here!"

Daztek
Jun 2, 2006



:siren:

https://twitter.com/RobertsSpaceInd/status/1032215703519154177

Beexoffel
Oct 4, 2015

Herald of the Stimpire

Maltloaf posted:

Can't help myself, sorry.




A Confession


Pixelate
Jan 6, 2018

"You win by having fun"

Two whole centuries of service, and this is my last chance to grab it?!

---

And what's even better, emergency response vehicles of the future are designed by the marketinggggg department.

This poo poo really does ring true...

G0RF posted:


quote:

4. Marketing is often created by a separate company. Be aware of this and adjust your expectations accordingly. The new medical ship is a perfect example. The team are handed a ship concept and must create a game around it.

Pixelate fucked around with this message at 11:56 on Aug 22, 2018

Redundant
Sep 24, 2011

Even robots have feelings!
Is there a kind person or bot who could link me to the Crobblers letter to the escapist? Its for a lawsuit :airquote:friend:airquote:

orcane
Jun 13, 2012

Fun Shoe

Redundant posted:

Is there a kind person or bot who could link me to the Crobblers letter to the escapist? Its for a lawsuit :airquote:friend:airquote:

Hello commando:

https://archive.is/33W9O

Hav
Dec 11, 2009

Fun Shoe

ewe2 posted:

The important result, what killed SCO in their tracks, was the publication of a previously-secret out of court settlement between USL (former AT&T who owned System V Unix) and Regents of California (who were the copyright owners of BSD). The case was brought as a last-ditch attempt to stop BSDs from reaching the consumer market on PCs. USL accused BSD of stealing code from SysV and the result was that actually USL had been wholesale-thieving BSD code without any attribution or payment for years which would have been known to anyone with a SysV source license at the time. In the end USL had to do a lot of rewriting and BSD only a little, but the important code was API-based since there was a lot of BSD merged into the SysV API's.

Because SCO relied on those very same API's to make their claims the revealed judgement was effectively precedent. Added to this was the specific case that Novell, the owner of the APIs, had against SCO on licensing grounds, much like Crytek vs CIG/RSI in that the complaint was that SCO was abusing its contractual provisions and SCO kept saying "la la la can't hear you we can do anything because we own Unix" .

So:

* the APIs were effectively public domain or copy-written under the BSD license which only requires the copyright headers on the source.
* the remainder (SysV) were still owned by Novell who did NOT approve the use of its license to SCO in the way they were using it (that part is more complicated and I need to reread it).

If you want the guts of this, all the legal stuff is still on http://groklaw.net/, but be warned, it is a very twisty turny thing:

* SCO v Novell is worth a deep dive. The decision here began a cascade of decisions, as SCO vs IBM depended on it and that result killed off all the remaining cases (basically SCO suing a bunch of linux companies).

You see, the internet never forgets. There is always more and it is always parp :yarg:

Thanks for the backfill. I was all over Groklaw when it kicked off and remember the side issue of them attempting to out Pam Jones.

It was a lovely lawsuit that ended the OS wars, at least.

Dooguk
Oct 11, 2016

Pillbug

Stephenson's Rocket isn't 200 years old yet. How many people still use it I wonder?

Redundant
Sep 24, 2011

Even robots have feelings!
It's so beautiful :allears:

About half way through reading it my teeth went numb and I started sweating profusely, is that normal? I guess it must be the contact high *waves hands* fidelity.

Neltharak
Jun 7, 2013


Jesus fidelitious christ I had forgotten how bad it was.

Renegret
May 26, 2007

THANK YOU FOR CALLING HELP DOG, INC.

YOUR POSITION IN THE QUEUE IS *pbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbt*


Cat Army Sworn Enemy

AngusPodgorny posted:

For free federal, all I know is hoping someone else posts it online. You can sign up for an official PACER account, but that charges a few cents per page. Westlaw has some filings, but that's way too expensive for idle curiosity.

laaaaaaaaaaame

I know about pacer but lol paying 10 cents a page to snoop on someone

ty anyway, friend

Nyast
Nov 14, 2017

BLAZING AT THE
SPEED OF LIGHT

Blue On Blue posted:

I present to you the best that the game currently has to offer, from their highest viewed streamer.

https://clips.twitch.tv/VenomousDiligentSalsifySpicyBoy

https://clips.twitch.tv/SilkyTallCockroachUWot

Yeah, I can see why Cryrekt absolutely wants that innovative physics-grid technology now.

orcane
Jun 13, 2012

Fun Shoe

Redundant posted:

It's so beautiful :allears:

About half way through reading it my teeth went numb and I started sweating profusely, is that normal? I guess it must be the contact high *waves hands* fidelity.

Neltharak posted:

Jesus fidelitious christ I had forgotten how bad it was.

Before the letter, I stopped paying attention to Scam Citizen around the time the hangar module was released. I tried it, my computer couldn't handle it at all, so let's wait for the final game, right? It was always clear to me that Clown Robbers promised too much, but in the first ~2 years the had other people in the team that helped with the illusion that competent people were actually making a game while :wtchris: was the guy for the cameras - I thought those guys could get a modern Freelancer on track with a realistic scope DESPITE of Chris. And Dr Smart making noise wasn't exactly new anyway.

But ":qq: I spent 8 hours writing this :qq:" while trying to paint the reporter as an infernal agent of Derek out to ruin his pet movie project was too much, and I wrote the ticket for my big refund immediately.

orcane
Jun 13, 2012

Fun Shoe
Also my favourite part is how the letter and later interviews with Chris and Sandi confirmed most if not all of the allegations, no Derek involvement necessary.

Daztek
Jun 2, 2006



Gaben talks a bit about Store Citizer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5BChvs2h5g&t=171s

Beet Wagon
Oct 19, 2015






There is no such thing as a "capital" mount in World of Warcraft, no matter how hard you want to try and draw an equivalency between buying straight up power, and buying a cosmetic item.

Daztek
Jun 2, 2006



Beet Wagon posted:

There is no such thing as a "capital" mount in World of Warcraft, no matter how hard you want to try and draw an equivalency between buying straight up power, and buying a cosmetic item.

That mount has an auction house NPC tho :ssh:

PhallicPhalanges
Jun 9, 2015


Her navel is all time musky... Bt look at her face... Her face makes my ROD wakes

Beet Wagon posted:

There is no such thing as a "capital" mount in World of Warcraft, no matter how hard you want to try and draw an equivalency between buying straight up power, and buying a cosmetic item.

Lethality is a moron

Aqua Seafoam Shame
Aug 20, 2018

by astral

As someone who has been there, I can promise you that CR did not write this sober, and I ain't talking a snifter of brandy. "Look, look! Liz and Bandit! And Bandit and Derek and Twitter! And GamerGate! And Florida! And Liz and Derek! And space aliens, man! It's all connected!" I'd love to see the accompanying whiteboard where he sketched all this out, Glenn Beck style.

Neltharak
Jun 7, 2013

Now that you mention it it does sound like the letter I received after a coked up idiot abused our hospitality and was gently escorted out.

Don't do coke, kids. Especially if you are a bear.

RattiRatto
Jun 26, 2014

:gary: :I'd like to borrow $200M
:whatfor:
:gary: :To make vidya game
Without any doubt SC has been my favorite game in the past 3 years.
Thing is I only had it installed it for about 40 mins before proceeding to uninstall it
The best mechanic of this game revolves around hitting the post button in this thread, and it's definitively better than any money I spent in Steam in the last few years

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PederP
Nov 20, 2009

Beet Wagon posted:

There is no such thing as a "capital" mount in World of Warcraft, no matter how hard you want to try and draw an equivalency between buying straight up power, and buying a cosmetic item.

Also, one actually exists. Pretty sure World of Warcraft doesn't have $500 pre-order mounts with discounts for cash injections. If anything Blizzard has a tax on gold-for-cash.

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