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Dalael posted:If we are to disregard the quiz itself, wouldn't the proper answer be Consul? Or co-Consul? You could make an argument for dictator, but otherwise consul yeah
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The question is too vague to provide a clear answer. The office with the most power was, in a certain sense, the consulate, but the practical effect of their imperium was kind of contingent on senatorial popularity contest. The most dignified office was however that of censor, and their power overrode that of consuls, at least in theory. The dictatorship was more significantly powerful than either, but in a legally fraught way.
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Aug 22, 2018 20:32
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As far as I know, the Censors' powers/duties were to let out public contracts, and make sure senators met the property qualification. Did they have any powers beyond that? I remember vaguely they had the power to enforce public morality, but I could be wrong there.
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Aug 22, 2018 20:45
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Epicurius posted:As far as I know, the Censors' powers/duties were to let out public contracts, and make sure senators met the property qualification. Did they have any powers beyond that? I remember vaguely they had the power to enforce public morality, but I could be wrong there. They also reviewed the qualifications of equestrians (one must assume not very stringently) and appointed the princeps senatus. The scope of their ruling on morality was quite large; they could mark a citizen with ignominy for just about anything he had done wrong in the public or private spheres, and in addition eject him from the senate, the equestrian order, or even his tribe. Their duties as census-takers involved essentially supervising all state finances, though the only area over which they had direct power to administrate was maintenance of public works. They did not have any imperium, and this is why the consuls are generally considered to be of higher rank, but only men of consular rank were eligible for the position, and only another censor could countermand their rulings within their sphere. One can think of it as the endpoint of the cursus honorum.
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skasion posted:They also reviewed the qualifications of equestrians (one must assume not very stringently) and appointed the princeps senatus. The scope of their ruling on morality was quite large; they could mark a citizen with ignominy for just about anything he had done wrong in the public or private spheres, and in addition eject him from the senate, the equestrian order, or even his tribe. Their duties as census-takers involved essentially supervising all state finances, though the only area over which they had direct power to administrate was maintenance of public works. They did not have any imperium, and this is why the consuls are generally considered to be of higher rank, but only men of consular rank were eligible for the position, and only another censor could countermand their rulings within their sphere. One can think of it as the endpoint of the cursus honorum. What does "having Imperium" mean/entail?
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Aug 22, 2018 21:05
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Dalael posted:What does "having Imperium" mean/entail? Imperium is the power to command troops and order capital punishment outside of Rome. A consul or proconsul has it, as does a praetor or propraetor and (when there is one) a dictator. However other offices, such as censor or plebeian tribune, do not, whatever their other powers. An official with imperium bears a special ivory baton and sits on a special ivory chair, and is given a special bodyguard of lictors.
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Dalael posted:What does "having Imperium" mean/entail? 
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Aug 22, 2018 21:13
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I’m reading “governor” as proconsul for the purposes of that exam
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Aug 22, 2018 21:25
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But the answer that the quiz counts as correct is "emperor"
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Aug 22, 2018 21:26
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Was there any point where imperator was an actual job title rather than honorific
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cheetah7071 posted:Was there any point where imperator was an actual job title rather than honorific Imperator can be used as a general term for any magistrate with imperium in addition to the more common sense of “victorious general”. Under the principate though, it did sort of become a part of the princeps’ official title. By the time of the dominate and maybe earlier, basically all coinage will refer to the emperor as IMP DIOCLETIANVS AVG (or whoever). skasion fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Aug 22, 2018 |
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Aug 22, 2018 22:22
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FreudianSlippers posted:But the answer that the quiz counts as correct is "emperor" But that’s the completely wrong hahah.
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euphronius posted:Governor they're talking about the roman republic of ancient rome, not the roman republic of the northeastern united states
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Aug 22, 2018 22:39
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In the Roman Republic of the Star Wars Republic, the answer was chancellor.
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Aug 22, 2018 22:47
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aphid_licker posted:I don't have a cutoff, I just meant "relatively old" or "in the wheelhouse of this thread" because the range of things I have read about drops off rapidly as we go back in time past like the 18th century. I read about Onfim a while ago, crazy and really touching Sumeria's good because they wrote down everything and a lot of it was preserved. Literacy wasn't terribly widespread but there's a lot of random poo poo written down by students that survived.
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Aug 22, 2018 22:56
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I'm a fan of the rear end in a top hat copper scammer that had a bunch of traders send out warnings about not to do business with. People never change 
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ChaseSP posted:I'm a fan of the rear end in a top hat copper scammer that had a bunch of traders send out warnings about not to do business with. People never change sumerian yelp reviews
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Aug 22, 2018 23:28
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I give it four DINGIR out of five
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Aug 22, 2018 23:31
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Didn't they find all those letters in his house? Like he was so proud of being an rear end in a top hat he kept and categorized every single complaint someone wrote to him about?
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Aug 22, 2018 23:34
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There was another one that was some student writing to his dad complaining that Dad didn't send him enough money while he was at school.
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I'm mostly done with Holland's Dynasty - up to Nero rn - and it's getting really unnerving about how gung ho these fuckers are, or allegedly are, there's plenty cases where it's obvs code for getting murdered, about killing themselves. Plus the things where they exile someone to an island and the person starves there. There is some game of thrones level attrition going on there 
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Aug 23, 2018 12:07
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"Being in Augustus's extended family" wasn't always the safest profession, no. But some of them died by natural causes.
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Epicurius posted:But some of them died by natural causes. Such as "not paying they praetorian guard"
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Alhazred posted:Such as "not paying they praetorian guard" Well, a dagger in the back will naturally kill someone.
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Epicurius posted:"Being in Augustus's extended family" wasn't always the safest profession, no. But some of them died by natural causes. Nah, Livia did it. e: Wow, I didn’t even notice until now that this guy is on the shirt. Zopotantor fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Aug 23, 2018 |
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Aug 23, 2018 16:33
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HEY GUNS posted:sumerian yelp reviews Babylonian merchants complaining about wine jars with snakes inside.
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Aug 23, 2018 16:33
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Pontifex Maximus. "No, it's not time for an election."
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cheetah7071 posted:Was there any point where imperator was an actual job title rather than honorific 
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JesustheDarkLord posted:jupiter optimus maximus is the best and greatest of those I know this was from a few days ago but I wanted to make sure this wasn't unappreciated.
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Aug 23, 2018 18:21
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Did people in ancient greece walk around nude? Since people are always naked in their art depicting daily life.
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Aug 24, 2018 03:14
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The statues were wearing clothes, which have long since rotted off.
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ChocNitty posted:Did people in ancient greece walk around nude? Since people are always naked in their art depicting daily life. Depends where and when you were but yeah, sometimes. They were considered unusually prone to strip by their neighbors. Nude sports and exercise were de rigeur. Spartan culture specifically had a bit of an obsession with fitness and the physique; allegedly the young people there got naked for public processions and feasts back in the day. And of course Greeks and later Romans were big on public baths with the communal nudity that implies. Romans in general were a bit less fond of nakedness though, particularly in men, and the practice of public nudity seems to have decreased under their rule.
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The occasional cynic philosopher walking around in the nude, too.
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:Didn't they find all those letters in his house? Like he was so proud of being an rear end in a top hat he kept and categorized every single complaint someone wrote to him about?
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DACK FAYDEN posted:They found (almost?) all of them in a house. We just assume it’s Ea-Nasir’s house itself because that makes the most sense.
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I mean people kept their correspondence in more recent centuries. It'd be more of a pain to do back then but it'd have the same upsides if you went through the effort
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HEY GUNS posted:could have been the house of someone who hated him
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