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Romulan emotion is channelled by the state into constant paranoia. It's a way healthier outlet than periodically turning into a murderous rapist.
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Is there a consensus that Vulcan Pon Farr is because of emotional repression rather than just a natural biological thing? Because, I mean, dogs go into heat every six months, and I know the dog I owned as a kid was pretty emotionally demonstrative. So maybe Vulcans just have a seven year fertility cycle. In Amok Time, the whole ritual behind the entire thing sure seemed like a pre-Vulcan Enlightenment tradition.
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Epicurius posted:Is there a consensus that Vulcan Pon Farr is because of emotional repression rather than just a natural biological thing? Because, I mean, dogs go into heat every six months, and I know the dog I owned as a kid was pretty emotionally demonstrative. I remarked on this a while back, but after all the hell Spock raises in the episode about how he has to go back to Vulcan and get some or he’s gonna die, in the end of the episode he’s fine. So my conclusion is that either Spock laid some pipe offscreen in between Kirk blacking out and waking back up, or that the problem here is not as biologically simple as he represented it and the catharsis of violence against Kirk was enough to offset his sexual frustration.
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Aug 24, 2018 19:34
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It's been quite explicitly laid out that catharsis of violence works on Pon Farr as well as sex
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skasion posted:I remarked on this a while back, but after all the hell Spock raises in the episode about how he has to go back to Vulcan and get some or he’s gonna die, in the end of the episode he’s fine. So my conclusion is that either Spock laid some pipe offscreen in between Kirk blacking out and waking back up, or that the problem here is not as biologically simple as he represented it and the catharsis of violence against Kirk was enough to offset his sexual frustration. He slept with McCoy
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They establish that vulcans can either gently caress it out or fight it out. Old men like Tuvok have a chance of meditating their way through it, but for the early ones it's fatal if you don't relieve it somehow.
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I get that loving in the holodeck isn't good enough but I find it surprising a good fight program with the safeties turned off wouldn't suffice
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Aug 24, 2018 19:43
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Brawnfire posted:I think Romulans deal with powerful emotions by directing them like terrifying lasers at others instead of bottling them up Vulcan-style, so instead of one animal lust-gently caress every seven years they have an increasingly co-abusive sexual relationship with someone compatible, and just wear more upholstery to cover the ugly green bruises. Well I guess that explains all the fanart of geordi and bochra. as much as anything can.
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Aug 24, 2018 19:44
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:It's been quite explicitly laid out that catharsis of violence works on Pon Farr as well as sex I either have to go to my home planet and get married, or someone can kick me in the dick for an hour
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Aug 24, 2018 19:49
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Pick posted:I either have to go to my home planet and get married, or someone can kick me in the dick for an hour My face after reading this post 
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The real question that nobody is asking is this: does everyone on Vulcan cycle all at once? Because if so, once every seven years Vulcan is an incredibly dangerous horny place.
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Epicurius posted:Is there a consensus that Vulcan Pon Farr is because of emotional repression rather than just a natural biological thing? Because, I mean, dogs go into heat every six months, and I know the dog I owned as a kid was pretty emotionally demonstrative. See, the thing that always catches me is that, as of Enterprise, both sexes have pon farr. I'm no biologist so I honestly don't know, but it seems disastrous for the propagation of a species for both sexes to have a cycle of fertility. At least for humans, it works where one sex is always fertile. But how does that line up for Vulcans? Do they have humanesque fertility cycles and also recreational sex like we do, just they go totally crazy once or twice a decade? Or is Vulcan fertility tied to pon farr? I guess what I'm after is do Vulcans have sex outside of pon farr?
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:I get that loving in the holodeck isn't good enough but I find it surprising a good fight program with the safeties turned off wouldn't suffice I suspect it lacks the emotional aspect of trying to murder another living being. A.I. Borgland Corp posted:It's been quite explicitly laid out that catharsis of violence works on Pon Farr as well as sex Yeah that's probably why they have the challenge as an optional part of the ritual in the first place. VanSandman posted:The real question that nobody is asking is this: does everyone on Vulcan cycle all at once? Because if so, once every seven years Vulcan is an incredibly dangerous horny place. No, they don't. Also they (probably) don't only copulate every seven years, that's just when they HAVE to do it.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I suspect it lacks the emotional aspect of trying to murder another living being. What if you called in ensign Kim, create 100 holographic Kims, and they draw straws, 100 of them are transported out at random. There is a slim chance you are killing the real one. Like how firing squads always had one gun loaded with blanks so you didn't know if you fired the killing shot.
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Did they ever really do anything with the El-Aurians that made them matter or make sense?
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The challenge aspect of the ritual is apparently supposed to provide an outlet to divorce your betrothal partner. It’s like “speak now or forever hold your peace” but you have to speak with your gat. It does also work to burn off the plak tow I guess, but that’s not how the episode brings it up.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:See, the thing that always catches me is that, as of Enterprise, both sexes have pon farr. ... It's really quite simple. You see Enterprise was really badly written and Jolene Blalock is really attractive so they decided that T'Pol needed to be horny. It's honestly amazing that they didn't find a way to make her going through pon farr something that happened every season.
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Pick posted:Did they ever really do anything with the El-Aurians that made them matter or make sense? They basically forgot about them after Generations.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:They basically forgot about them after Generations. They were real cool! But they're dead, so I guess we won't get into how! Oh well! So many great ideas too, what a shame!
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Brawnfire posted:They were real cool! But they're dead, so I guess we won't get into how! Oh well! So many great ideas too, what a shame! Guinan was like the ultimate go-nowhere character. They teased all this backstory and magic powers and just... [fart noise]
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Guinan was like the ultimate go-nowhere character. They teased all this backstory and magic powers and just... [fart noise] Yeah I couldn't tell if I just couldn't remember but they did nothing
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Pick posted:Yeah I couldn't tell if I just couldn't remember but they did nothing I mean, I guess they did "Time's Arrow" and the Nexus story which explained her and Picard's mythical connection to debatable degrees of satisfaction. But they just seemed to run out of time/steam when it came all the stuff about her and Q and Q calling her a dangerous nymph or whatever
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El Aurians:Bajorans: ProphetsBut rather than blind worship, insularity, and being conquered as Bajor did, the El Aurians chose a path of reason, wanderlust, and the liberty of space travel. That's my theory. The ribbon is a thread between our reality and the Q Continuum, like the Bajoran wormhole and the temple of the prophets. It went after the El Aurians in the 23rd when Q was still simmering in anger that they abandoned him. John Wick of Dogs fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Aug 24, 2018 |
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Generations made a huge mistake trying to link Guinan and Soren and all that together. Guinan is Guinan. She has a mysterious (and far-reaching) past, which does not need to be explained. We do not need to know why she makes finger-gestures at Q, nor why he appears to take her seriously.
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:It's been quite explicitly laid out that catharsis of violence works on Pon Farr as well as sex I feel like in the original episode it was more "killing your best friend because your wife is banging another dude is quite the boner-killer" and then it got retconned into "violence works just as well" in every subsequent episode so they didn't have to go through with making the characters actually bang anyone (except for Star Trek III, Saavik totally banged Teen-Spock).
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Generations made a huge mistake trying to link Guinan and Soren and all that together. She is also literally, canonically, Whoopi Goldberg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hra0I-w3XBY
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So in Coming of Age (1988) do we think that Remmick and Quinn are already compromised by the Conspiracy parasites or are they aware of what's going on and fall victim to the parasites between the two episodes? Personally I think you can read it either way but I'm curious as to what the thread thinks about it.
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Since the parasites were originally intended to be a long-term alien menace, I'd say they were probably already infected.
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Yeah, that's what I thought, since they were trying to get Picard to come take a posting on Earth. But then again that would also make sense if they low key wanted bolster their forces and put your best on Earth to defend it.
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DrNutt posted:So in Coming of Age (1988) do we think that Remmick and Quinn are already compromised by the Conspiracy parasites or are they aware of what's going on and fall victim to the parasites between the two episodes? Personally I think you can read it either way but I'm curious as to what the thread thinks about it. I don't think Quinn is supposed to have been infected in Coming of Age, because in Conspiracy Picard remarks that Quinn seems unusually vibrant compared to the last time they met, and also when Picard mentions that Quinn warned him about a threat, Quinn deflects somewhat badly. Whether Remmick is or not... may be more up in the air.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I don't think Quinn is supposed to have been infected in Coming of Age, because in Conspiracy Picard remarks that Quinn seems unusually vibrant compared to the last time they met, and also when Picard mentions that Quinn warned him about a threat, Quinn deflects somewhat badly. Yeah that makes sense. I thought Remmick was probably clean too because of his last minute face turn. But I still think it could probably go either way.
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Queen Arachnia is a babe
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I don't think Quinn is supposed to have been infected in Coming of Age, because in Conspiracy Picard remarks that Quinn seems unusually vibrant compared to the last time they met, and also when Picard mentions that Quinn warned him about a threat, Quinn deflects somewhat badly. If I remember correctly, Remmick was doing a thorough check to see if anyone had been turned. Could mean that he was with Quinn until they were infected, or it could be that Quinn trusted the wrong man and was infected because he was getting too close. On the one hand, why would Remmick bother with the investigation instead of just infecting Quinn earlier, on the other hand why would he have the queen in him if he wasn't patient zero? My theory is he was implanted with the queen after the initial wave of infections to speed things along, but they never really make it explicit.
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Humanity is in the process of sending a recon probe to Alpha Centauri to search for alien life. It will get there traveling at a fifth of the speed of light in 20 Earth years using a propulsion system that relies on a photon beam aiming at it's sails from Earth. https://www.cnet.com/news/sending-tiny-spacecraft-to-alpha-centauri/
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Humanity is in the process of asking for funding for untested space programs. Probably don't need to post it in the Star Trek thread until they have 20 years of practice and $50bn
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Gonz posted:Humanity is in the process of sending a recon probe to Alpha Centauri to search for alien life. It will get there traveling at a fifth of the speed of light in 20 Earth years using a propulsion system that relies on a photon beam aiming at it's sails from Earth. And if my grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon.
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Drone posted:And if my grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon. And if my grandmother had a particularly erotic chapter in her journal
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Gonz posted:Humanity is in the process of sending a recon probe to Alpha Centauri to search for alien life. It will get there traveling at a fifth of the speed of light in 20 Earth years using a propulsion system that relies on a photon beam aiming at it's sails from Earth. And we accidentally slam a .2c space probe into an inhabited moon inciting GWII
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