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I guess cnut the great was so turned off by the ST he completely abandoned this thread?
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Edit: Wrong thread
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Aug 25, 2018 02:19
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Papercut posted:It's not pointless, it's a very effective way to illustrate the difference between relying on source material versus relying on outside sources. Right: we could look at other examples, like the red droid at the start of A New Hope who unambiguously either kills himself to escape slavery or is literally scared to death. (The EU claims that the red guy is actually gladly sacrificing himself to save the Republic, which is obvious horseshit.) ...but Jakku cuts way deeper, because it shows that people could not and did not understand the story. R2 left a map in the remains of the New Jedi temple, and Max Von Sydow found the map on Jakku. Therefore the New Jedi were based in Jakku. Why did Luke choose this location? Obviously because it’s his homeworld, Tatooine.
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Aug 25, 2018 02:23
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Right: we could look at other examples, like the red droid at the start of A New Hope who unambiguously either kills himself to escape slavery or is literally scared to death. you take that back about my boy Skippy
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Aug 25, 2018 02:27
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Cross-Section posted:you take that back about my boy Skippy I’m referring to the remake of Skippy.
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Aug 25, 2018 02:29
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He exploded because the Jawas are meant to be the space equivalent of used car salesmen who try to push faulty products. Skippy obviously hadn't been properly maintained and broke down before the Jaws could skip town.
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Aug 25, 2018 03:03
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Skippy was ill, but breaking down (possibly not fatally) at that moment was not a coincidence.
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Aug 25, 2018 03:10
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Obviously because it’s his homeworld, Tatooine. But he hated tattooine? (han’s rescue notwithstanding)
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Aug 25, 2018 03:30
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After a while he started to miss it. Non-droid deathsports being illegal in the Core and all.
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Aug 25, 2018 03:32
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Right: we could look at other examples, like the red droid at the start of A New Hope who unambiguously either kills himself to escape slavery or is literally scared to death. Does R2 leave the map in the remains of the new Jedi temple? Also, does Max Von Sydow say he found it on Jakku? Also, does it really follow that because Luke founded the temple on Jakku that Jakku must be his homeworld?
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Aug 25, 2018 03:40
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Jakku is a Tatooine.
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Aug 25, 2018 03:41
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Bongo Bill posted:Skippy was ill, but breaking down (possibly not fatally) at that moment was not a coincidence. It's a movie
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Aug 25, 2018 03:46
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It kinda makes sense that a bunch of horny jedi were setup in a jedi boarding school in the middle of nowhere with a useless jedi master that drove the school into the ground and 16 odd years later a genetically super jedi shows up on the same planet with no idea where her quickly disappearing parents had gone.
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Aug 25, 2018 03:49
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Question Friend posted:It's a movie It's not a diegetic coincidence.
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Aug 25, 2018 03:58
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MrMojok posted:I guess cnut the great was so turned off by the ST he completely abandoned this thread? I thought he got arrested
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Aug 25, 2018 03:58
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RBA Starblade posted:I thought he got arrested yes indeed, for disrespecting canon.
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Aug 25, 2018 04:00
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NotJustANumber99 posted:It kinda makes sense that a bunch of horny jedi were setup in a jedi boarding school in the middle of nowhere with a useless jedi master that drove the school into the ground and 16 odd years later a genetically super jedi shows up on the same planet with no idea where her quickly disappearing parents had gone. No, it totally does. The Jedi temple being on Jakku is the least controversial thing there to me. Except it does contradict Ben saying her parents were paupers, unless one student escaped the slaughter and lived to get down with the locals
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Aug 25, 2018 04:00
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Bongo Bill posted:It's not a diegetic coincidence. The droid was moving under his own power for the first time in a long time so logically that's when the malfunction would happen, and it was to show what kind of business the jawas run and allow R2 to be bought and continue the story. There's nothing whatsoever to suggest he committed suicide and I can't believe I made a serious response to your dumb contrarian poo poo
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Aug 25, 2018 04:02
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PostNouveau posted:No, it totally does. The Jedi temple being on Jakku is the least controversial thing there to me. Except it does contradict Ben saying her parents were paupers, unless one student escaped the slaughter and lived to get down with the locals Clearly he meant they were spiritually bereft.
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Aug 25, 2018 04:02
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PostNouveau posted:Except it does contradict Ben saying her parents were paupers Star wars kinda has form for dudes named Ben not being totally straight with some young prodigy about who their parents are.
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Aug 25, 2018 04:08
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Star wars kinda has form for dudes named Ben not being totally straight with some young prodigy about who their parents are. That scene is clearly meant to mirror the Vader "No I am your father" scene in Empire. He even says she's knows it and is hiding it from herself, which is very much like "search your feelings, you know it to be true".
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Aug 25, 2018 04:22
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It's pretty obvious that Luke is Rey's dad and Leia is her mom. That's why she has super mutant powers.
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Aug 25, 2018 04:26
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Mechafunkzilla posted:It's pretty obvious that Luke is Rey's dad and Leia is her mom. That's why she has super mutant powers. Yeah, they left her behind on Jakku because she was a flipper baby. Her flippers are gonna be a big reveal in Episode IX.
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Aug 25, 2018 04:31
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Question Friend posted:The droid was moving under his own power for the first time in a long time so logically that's when the malfunction would happen, and it was to show what kind of business the jawas run and allow R2 to be bought and continue the story. There's nothing whatsoever to suggest he committed suicide and I can't believe I made a serious response to your dumb contrarian poo poo It had a "bad motivator." What do you think that means?
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Aug 25, 2018 04:54
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It? wtf?
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Aug 25, 2018 04:59
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PostNouveau posted:Does R2 leave the map in the remains of the new Jedi temple? Also, does Max Von Sydow say he found it on Jakku? Also, does it really follow that because Luke founded the temple on Jakku that Jakku must be his homeworld? Does R2 leave the map in the remains of the new Jedi temple? Yes; the map is the exact same shape as the empty hole in R2’s memory. Luke abandoned R2 at the temple site after the fire, so R2 had no opportunity to hide it elsewhere. Also, does Max Von Sydow say he found it on Jakku? Yes; the opening text says he found the map on Jakku, and then called Leia to come get it. Also, does it really follow that because Luke founded the temple on Jakku that Jakku must be his homeworld? Luke’s entire New Jedi religion was based around the legend of how he saved Anakin from the scary Vader. It would make sense to build the temple at the site of Anakin’s miraculous birth - certainly more sense than a choosing a random hellhole.
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Aug 25, 2018 05:30
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wow jakku really is tatooine
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Aug 25, 2018 05:48
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Zas posted:wow jakku really is tatooine That’s true, they are the same thing in a literal and not merely thematic or metaphoric sense. This is what they call in the newspaper business a “fact.”
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Aug 25, 2018 05:51
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Guys. What if, and try to follow me here. What if at the end of the next movie there's a big showdown on Jakku and it turns out that it truly was Tattooine but they changed the name for some inane reason and it's a big twist and they publish a couple of books saying that all of the books that contradicted this were in-universe novels propping up the galactic myth that jakku was not tattooine renamed for some inane reason and all of this becomes solid steel story group canon. It would be a hell of a twist.
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Aug 25, 2018 06:03
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I think that if Jakku had been the site of the temple and by extension his greatest failure, Luke wouldn't so casually say of it that it is "pretty much nowhere."
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Aug 25, 2018 06:04
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Bongo Bill posted:I think that if Jakku had been the site of the temple and by extension his greatest failure, Luke wouldn't so casually say of it that it is "pretty much nowhere." you think he wouldn't say that either given that jakku is closer to civilization than tatooine is according to The Story Group Canon
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Aug 25, 2018 06:13
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Does R2 leave the map in the remains of the new Jedi temple? Do we know for sure Luke abandoned R2 there? SuperMechagodzilla posted:Also, does Max Von Sydow say he found it on Jakku? K, cool I straight-up didn't remember that. SuperMechagodzilla posted:Also, does it really follow that because Luke founded the temple on Jakku that Jakku must be his homeworld? You could make this kind of logical leap for the forest moon of Endor. That's basically the site of Luke saving Anakin, so maybe the Jedi temple was there and not Jakku.
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Aug 25, 2018 06:24
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BiggestBatman posted:Guys. What if, and try to follow me here. What if at the end of the next movie there's a big showdown on Jakku and it turns out that it truly was Tattooine but they changed the name for some inane reason and it's a big twist and they publish a couple of books saying that all of the books that contradicted this were in-universe novels propping up the galactic myth that jakku was not tattooine renamed for some inane reason and all of this becomes solid steel story group canon. It would be a hell of a twist. It wouldn't be that great of a twist because there are already a bunch of WINK WINK clues in the movies that Jakku is Tattooine.
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Aug 25, 2018 06:40
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Papercut posted:It wouldn't be that great of a twist because there are already a bunch of WINK WINK clues in the movies that Jakku is Tattooine. But then we could have all these threads where people talk about how they knew it was coming and how they did all the foreshadowing for it. Just cause you see it coming doesn't mean a twist is bad.
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Aug 25, 2018 06:54
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Obviously Abrams will change who Rey's parents are in Episode IX. It's hard to imagine him doing anything else. Have they cancelled Johnson's trilogy yet, btw? Rumour was that the first one was going to be in 2020 but if that's the case they'd need to have started moving on it now, and there's been not a peep on it whatsoever. On one hand, it would be bad to announce it because it would indicate that they have no faith in Episode IX and expect it to fail (reasonable). But on the other, saying Rian Johnson is no longer involved in Star Wars going forward would probably be a good thing from a PR perspective. Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 09:11 on Aug 25, 2018 |
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Aug 25, 2018 09:09
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cancelling Johnson’s trilogy would make the idiots happy yeah.
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Aug 25, 2018 09:34
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It would also prevent more bad movies being made, but something would no doubt show up to fill the vacuum.
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Aug 25, 2018 09:41
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CelticPredator posted:cancelling Johnson’s trilogy would make the idiots happy yeah. I wonder what their strategy will be post-Episode IX. Johnson's trilogy is cancelled quietly, of course. Do they continue on with something else or do they hibernate the movies and concentrate on TV for a few years? What do they do when they come back? Do they try to reboot the whole thing from scratch?
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Aug 25, 2018 09:51
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They're going to keep bombarding us with terrible poo poo until we're all dead.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I wonder what their strategy will be post-Episode IX. Johnson's trilogy is cancelled quietly, of course. Do they continue on with something else or do they hibernate the movies and concentrate on TV for a few years? What do they do when they come back? Do they try to reboot the whole thing from scratch? They kill Star Wars and make fun of the fans.
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