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In other news, more evidence piles up that Lord Zedd and Rita are the greatest Toku villains of all time
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Burkion posted:In other news, more evidence piles up that Lord Zedd and Rita are the greatest Toku villains of all time Do any Sentai Toku main villains get explicitly happy endings? (From power rangers Jared(whoever turns into Dai Shi I can't remember the name), Astronema, Ransik and his daughter, and Mesogog, Divatox, and if course Zedd and Rita also get happy endings that I can think of off the top of my head.
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Aug 25, 2018 01:12
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I don't think Mesagog really got a happy ending. He was a split personality that completely split himself off from his human half. Smitty sure didn't get a happy ending, not that Tommy gave a poo poo.
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Aug 25, 2018 01:15
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A villain from Kamen Rider Ex-Aid sorta does, his Machiavellian playtime being over and ultimately sorta redeeming himself; just in the dickest way possible. (Going by the Another-Ending trilogy)
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Aug 25, 2018 01:17
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Burkion posted:I don't think Mesagog really got a happy ending. He was a split personality that completely split himself off from his human half. Ah yeah I forgot he was a different dude. Question still stands though since you know the most about Sentai. Any of those villains make it through that crazy mess?
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Aug 25, 2018 01:22
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Some of the Abaranger villains got happy endings insofar as their fates are intertwined with Asuka’s and they were being possessed by the final episode big bad who spent most of the show shrouded in mystery. Rijel de-aged after to get a chance at life without an evil tentacle tree or whatever it was influencing her. Some villains get endings that aren’t happy, but are touching while still getting their just desserts. One died being while comforted with an underling’s lies that they had actually won. And I haven’t watched Zyuranger but I think everybody at this point knows Bandora eventually finds peace in being reunited with her son.
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Aug 25, 2018 01:30
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Zedd posted:A villain from Kamen Rider Ex-Aid sorta does, his Machiavellian playtime being over and ultimately sorta redeeming himself; just in the dickest way possible. Yeah, that really confused me. "Dan actually still evil! Wait. Maybe Dan... actually good? Huh." Masamune kinda having a weird change of heart as well, and basically saying he should have never let Kuroto grow up or whatever was, uh, harsh.
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Aug 25, 2018 01:33
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:Do any Sentai Toku main villains get explicitly happy endings? (From power rangers Jared(whoever turns into Dai Shi I can't remember the name), Astronema, Ransik and his daughter, and Mesogog, Divatox, and if course Zedd and Rita also get happy endings that I can think of off the top of my head. From memory the bat girls in Magiranger wind up turning good and living happily ever after. Candelilla and Luckyuro in Kyoryuger eventually become mentors to a future team, and that's maybe it from the series I've seen. None of them are main villains though. Mostly it's just sadness followed by death by a ranger with a broken or missing helmet in the final episode.
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Aug 25, 2018 01:41
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I'd say Bandora got a pretty happy ending.
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Aug 25, 2018 01:47
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Many Sentai villains are people who keeping themselves themselves alive through nefarious means, and part of the bargain of their defeat is going to mean they die, perhaps multiple times. Dan Kuroto from Ex-Aid and Professor Bias from Liveman are two guys who are both really intelligent scientists, and both think being alive forever is two-thirds of the evil plan, though what Kuroto wants to do with his immortality is at least more selfless than Bias’s ideal of just being worshipped like a god by a pacified populace. But that’s Showa villainy for you, you don’t really have to have a meaningful goal to be bad. Sort of splitting the difference, Bandora is a prehistoric person cheating death in a deal with the devil, but her gripe with the world is somewhat relatable. Also, Kuroto’s only real antagonists are Cronus and Lazer, because they’re the only ones who know the full scope of what he wants to do and disagree with it. Ex-Aid, Brave, and Snipe either don’t know the full details or have backgrounds where they could be convinced to his side. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Aug 25, 2018 |
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Aug 25, 2018 01:57
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The morality in the Tokusatsu genre is really interesting when you think about it, even teams like GoGoV who are primarily a rescue group(and indeed their motto is about the inherent value of human lives) slaughter monsters with barely a comment Even Power Rangers has done very little exploration of that even though American superhero stuff usually puts more emphasis on the morality of killing
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Aug 25, 2018 02:03
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The Bowzock from Carranger all survived the series and integrated into society afterwards (though to be fair, they were just being used and were basically already good guys by the time the finale rolled around). Also while it doesn't count as an official series, Malshina lived through both seasons of Akibaranger and wound up helping them out in the end. Finally, Bandora's entire gang lived through Zyuranger and were last seen spinning through space in a jar while taking care of Gifforzer and Lami's newborn child. Larryb fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Aug 25, 2018 |
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Aug 25, 2018 02:04
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drrockso20 posted:The morality in the Tokusatsu genre is really interesting when you think about it, even teams like GoGoV who are primarily a rescue group(and indeed their motto is about the inherent value of human lives) slaughter monsters with barely a comment Isn’t this why everybody loves Time Force? Everybody’s got a fairly legitimate case for what they’re doing. Only Jen’s fiancée is kind of an asswipe, and it’s mostly because he’s got an abusive ex personality that’s sanitized for kids TV.
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Aug 25, 2018 02:19
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:Ah yeah I forgot he was a different dude. Question still stands though since you know the most about Sentai. Any of those villains make it through that crazy mess?
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Aug 25, 2018 03:02
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The villains from GoOnger had a pretty happy ending judging from the events of 10 years later.
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Aug 25, 2018 03:26
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Why have Jindrax and Toxica not been mentioned yet?
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Aug 25, 2018 03:41
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In Ex-Aid, Parad also originally starts as a villain before doing a heel turn partway through the series. In ToQger, the final boss actually gets what he was searching for all along and is spared. In Drive, Heart essentially got the only ending he ever wanted so while he died, that was the happiest ending for him, even in his own mind.
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Aug 25, 2018 03:44
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Nodosaur posted:Why have Jindrax and Toxica not been mentioned yet? Technically they only got a happy ending of sorts in the Power Rangers version but sure. Also while you might not call it a "happy" ending per se, Rio and Mele did go out as heroes at the end of Gekiranger.
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Aug 25, 2018 03:44
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Larryb posted:Technically they only got a happy ending of sorts in the Power Rangers version but sure. Also while you might not call it a "happy" ending per se, Rio and Mele did go out as heroes at the end of Gekiranger. I mean they're different characters from their Gaoranger counterparts anyway, so
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Aug 25, 2018 03:51
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Nodosaur posted:Why have Jindrax and Toxica not been mentioned yet? Because that would involve watching Wild Force.
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Aug 25, 2018 03:54
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Does SPD do the Dekaranger thing where they basically have all the monsters "fairly" judged and sentenced to execution?
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Aug 25, 2018 03:56
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Caphi posted:Does SPD do the Dekaranger thing where they basically have all the monsters "fairly" judged and sentenced to execution? They're imprisoned in capture cards.
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Aug 25, 2018 03:59
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Nodosaur posted:I mean they're different characters from their Gaoranger counterparts anyway, so Sort of, their Gaoranger counterparts go through many of the same things (including being treated like poo poo by their bosses and even flat out discarded at one point) but for some reason in the Sentai they remain loyal to the Orgs to the very end (even returning as central antagonists in the Hurricanger crossover).
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Aug 25, 2018 04:14
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Like, he's just inherently an evil dude, I think. I'm not big on fanon/headcanon, but I've always had this back-of-my-head notion that Rita's turn-evil spell was way more effective than most would assume and the only reason it doesnt come to the forefront is because Tommy is actively fighting it without telling anyone, because he doesn't want to worry his friends. Most of his later turn-evils were just other guys tapping into that existing framework. Vaguely related: both Power Rangers podcasts I listen to have, at some point, floated the idea that PRiS should've ended with Tommy killing Zordon instead of Andros, because of this very thing. The only person who could bring themselves to kill Zordon is one who was brain-raped to really want to get rid of Zordon. On one hand, that'd be a great little idea... but on the other hand, ugh no that is bad.
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Aug 25, 2018 07:53
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Tommy wasn’t an inherently evil dude because the Zeo Crystal would have zapped him. That was the whole point of him going to the bad guy lair. Now, Katherine on the other hand, was introduced as if she was an inherently evil person who cast a Be Good spell over herself.
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Aug 25, 2018 09:07
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That's because she had a prior Be Evil spell, called "Nick your head on a diving board hard enough to give yourself a concussion"
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Aug 25, 2018 14:25
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FilthyImp posted:That's because she had a prior Be Evil spell, called "is from Sydney" gently caress New South Wales.
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Aug 25, 2018 14:37
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So was the Be Good spell actually "Be from Perth"?
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Aug 25, 2018 14:47
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Don't Lothor's nieces get happy endings? I thought they became ninja students.
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Aug 25, 2018 15:58
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Dawgstar posted:Don't Lothor's nieces get happy endings? I thought they became ninja students. That's correct, yes. Also on the Sentai side, a MotW from Abaranger not only becomes a good guy and survives the series but also is a semi-regular on the show from that point on. Larryb fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Aug 25, 2018 |
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Aug 25, 2018 16:07
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Oh, there's that one weird guy from Gokaiger. He looked like a jester, went on some kind of journey around the world, I think? Can't remember his name at all.
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Aug 25, 2018 16:30
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Doesn't ZenAku go on a world tour of self discovery with Merrick? That's kind of happy?
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Aug 25, 2018 17:17
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I think Tritor of Horath must have brought Bulk back from Miranoi. What a cool little character. In a little more than one episode and he basically is not interesting and had more development than any of the alien rangers (and I LIKE the alien rangers), Dex, Trey or other previous short term guests. And holy crap I never realized he was Koichi Sakomoto.
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Craptacular! posted:Because that would involve watching Wild Force.  FilthyImp posted:Doesn't ZenAku go on a world tour of self discovery with Merrick? That's kind of happy? This is true. Also Ransik surrendered to the Time Force Rangers and Nadira and Lucas hooked up. Tanaya ended up traveling around with Summer and Dillon in RPM. Morby fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Aug 25, 2018 |
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Aug 25, 2018 18:37
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I like that Ransik is basically Magneto. You can see where his anger comes from, and he's somewhat justified... but he's still a lovely person for killing that scientist, being a terrorist and poo poo.
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Aug 25, 2018 18:46
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 Today on Power Rangers, the thread becomes grateful that I didn't name this one Groundcog Day.
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FilthyImp posted:I like that Ransik is basically Magneto. You can see where his anger comes from, and he's somewhat justified... but he's still a lovely person for killing that scientist, being a terrorist and poo poo. It was pretty lame that he just became human at the end of that team-up, it kind of just ruins his entire story arc.
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Aug 25, 2018 19:24
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I haven't watched the episode yet but apparently Ninja Steel finally started back up today.
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Aug 25, 2018 20:36
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Oh, there's that one weird guy from Gokaiger. He looked like a jester, went on some kind of journey around the world, I think? Can't remember his name at all. Jealousto. He ends up eloping with a girl and starting an inn. Also probably the toughest person in the Zangyack Empire.
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Funky Valentine posted:Jealousto. He ends up eloping with a girl and starting an inn. And shoutout to Vancuria being an Easter egg in every prison sequence ever. 😂
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