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Maybe he'll finally realize how terrible and out of place he is and go away. It's quite incredible that the very worst part of the New 52 Flash is the only part that stuck around.
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Neurosis posted:Yes. He was put in an awkward place by redhead Wally's return where he felt superfluous to the Wally/Barry drama in Flash. But he just found out he didn't exist pre Flashpoint and it has messed with him; I hope this isn't all resolved within a few issues because I think the damage this could do to his sense of self would be an interesting character thread to follow (as long as it wasn't an 'ahaha now I'm evil' stupid character turn). He wouldn't go that far. He might pull a Superboy Prime and gently caress up reality (intentionally or unintentionally) because of angst and anguish, or he might "sacrifice himself" to resolve the next, inevitable, crisis
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Aug 24, 2018 13:10
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Two Tone Shoes posted:Maybe he'll finally realize how terrible and out of place he is and go away. It's quite incredible that the very worst part of the New 52 Flash is the only part that stuck around. I actually don't mind him. I just want him to get some separation with Barry and Wally. But I'm also used to like 5 speedsters from the Mark Waid Flash days...
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https://13thdimension.com/exclusive-preview-red-hood-and-the-outlaws-annual-2/ Roy 
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So I guess my only 'problem' with this whole thing going on in Red Hood, is... King's Batman is about to tell a present-day story with the Penguin. So he's not dead. So now we're in this weird moment where Penguin can be dead in RHatO and alive in Batman. So... Which is it?
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Aug 24, 2018 16:02
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Penguin didn't actually die
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pubic works project posted:I actually don't mind him. I just want him to get some separation with Barry and Wally. That's kind of my point. He's taking up space that better characters like Bart inhabit. And his only reason to exist is to save face after making an enormous mistake.
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Onmi posted:So I guess my only 'problem' with this whole thing going on in Red Hood, is... King's Batman is about to tell a present-day story with the Penguin. So he's not dead. So now we're in this weird moment where Penguin can be dead in RHatO and alive in Batman. Xelkelvos posted:Penguin didn't actually die Yeah, going by the pics King has been posting on his Twitter, Penguin only lost an eye. Evidencing how the whole thing was just poorly planned to justify Jason leaving Gotham.
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Aug 24, 2018 16:37
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'Wallace' has been doing just fine and had a nice stint in Deathstroke's series. Bart, aka "Barry + Fart," can go back to pre-Flashpoint, unmissed and unmourned.
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Aug 24, 2018 18:33
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Space Fish posted:'Wallace' has been doing just fine and had a nice stint in Deathstroke's series. How could someone be this painfully wrong.
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Aug 24, 2018 18:38
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Yeah, going by the pics King has been posting on his Twitter, Penguin only lost an eye. Evidencing how the whole thing was just poorly planned to justify Jason leaving Gotham. No it was a good reason to get an rear end in a top hat out of Gotham.
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MonsterEnvy posted:No it was a good reason to get an rear end in a top hat out of Gotham. Regardless your personal feelings about Jason, the fact of the matter remains that the whole thing was a poorly plotted excuse that failed to carry the ongoing narrative of both RHATO and the larger narrative present on the rest of the Batman books. There were many other plots they could've used to take Jason out of Gotham that didn't need for them to destroy the relationship they've been building for seven years now. And really, I don't even know why are you accusing Jason of being an rear end in a top hat when the guy has mellowed out a gently caress ton over the years.
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Aug 24, 2018 19:30
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Space Fish posted:'Wallace' has been doing just fine and had a nice stint in Deathstroke's series. Hard to make the wrongest post on a page where DT posted but here we are.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Regardless your personal feelings about Jason, the fact of the matter remains that the whole thing was a poorly plotted excuse that failed to carry the ongoing narrative of both RHATO and the larger narrative present on the rest of the Batman books. There were many other plots they could've used to take Jason out of Gotham that didn't need for them to destroy the relationship they've been building for seven years now. And hemmorhoids tend to flare up again and again over the years. Better to get them surgically removed for good.
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Space Fish posted:'Wallace' has been doing just fine and had a nice stint in Deathstroke's series. You're about to fight XO, Two Tone Shoes, and me!! Probably about 8 others too!!! 
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Regardless your personal feelings about Jason, the fact of the matter remains that the whole thing was a poorly plotted excuse that failed to carry the ongoing narrative of both RHATO and the larger narrative present on the rest of the Batman books. There were many other plots they could've used to take Jason out of Gotham that didn't need for them to destroy the relationship they've been building for seven years now. It's a relationship that Batman should not have tolerated for a long time. It was best to finally get rid of the Elephant in the Room.
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Aug 24, 2018 20:22
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MonsterEnvy posted:It's a relationship that Batman should not have tolerated for a long time. It was best to finally get rid of the Elephant in the Room. Why though? It's fine if you don't like Jason but acting as if Jason has been killing people left and right over the last seven years is a bunch of crap. Flashpoint erased the whole BFTC bullshit and also UtRH, and the glimpses shown over the different books showed Jason and Bruce never having things escalate as much as they did in the Pre N52 DCU. Furthermore, we're talking of a Bruce that has willingly teamed with a bunch of villains (including the loving Joker) during the same timespan.
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Jason's a pretty divisive character. There's a wide variety of reasons but considering he came back to life because someone punched time I don't think 'he shot someone in Gotham and Batman drove him out of town' can really be considered poorly plotted. The guy's been waving guns around and talks about killing baddies like the Punisher on ecstasy since he came back from the dead. Even if he hasn't been killing people left and right, Batman has been a dominating force in Gotham for almost a century now in real life. If Jason wants to have stories that aren't whining about Batman and the Joker, he's going to have to leave their area of operations, because they sure aren't. And while I admit I haven't done any surveys on the matter, a majority of Jason fans seem to be made from people who don't like Batman, which gives writers even more reason to have him go off somewhere.
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nofather posted:Jason's a pretty divisive character. There's a wide variety of reasons but considering he came back to life because someone punched time I don't think 'he shot someone in Gotham and Batman drove him out of town' can really be considered poorly plotted. The guy's been waving guns around and talks about killing baddies like the Punisher on ecstasy since he came back from the dead. Even if he hasn't been killing people left and right, Batman has been a dominating force in Gotham for almost a century now in real life. If Jason wants to have stories that aren't whining about Batman and the Joker, he's going to have to leave their area of operations, because they sure aren't. I mean, that is exactly what RHATO has been for the most part of its entire run. Jason bitching about Bruce is most of the time a consequence from Editorial forcing the book into crossovers with little care for whatever plot Lobdell had going at the time. And that is the problem with the current change to the status quo, is just something so blatantly mandated by editorial, and thus, most of the criticism is getting is earned.
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Aug 24, 2018 22:32
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To be fair I also would not care about Lobdells plotting.
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CharlestheHammer posted:To be fair I also would not care about Lobdells plotting. His name always reminds me of Bob Loblaw from Arrested Development
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DT does have a point that like it or not (And for most people here it's not), Jason going around killing people is entirely something that's been retconned out, and Batman puts up with Harley Quinn a known murderer and criminal and works with her semi-often. For all intents and purposes, "Killing" Penguin was the first act of actually killing someone Jason's done in actual years that's actually canonical. Again, you don't have to like Jason, or like this, but it is the case. Unpopular opinion, I actually like RHatO. Isn't the best book, but I generally enjoy picking it up when I do. Also this MonsterEnvy posted:It's a relationship that Batman should not have tolerated for a long time. It was best to finally get rid of the Elephant in the Room. Is dumb. Batman tolerates tonnes of relationships with people of varying degrees of murderboner, many of whom aren't one of his sons, some of whom are outright criminals. And considering what Damian is getting up to in Teen Titans, he would be right to disown him too. I was totally cool with Jason and Bruce falling out on Jason killing the Penguin, but the falling out loses weight when Penguin doesn't actually die. It just feels halfhearted like "Jason crosses the line and Goes Too Far except he doesn't and he only kinda does." I'm going to assume it's going to give Penguin brain damage to forgetting Jason and Bruce and the connection that told him Batman's identity, because, ya know, that's kind of an important thing.
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Teenage Fansub posted:
"No Jasons" We're allowed to have one. I'll be the one, unless you'd rather have JT.
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I'm fine reading some great Bart stories if anyone wants to recommend me some!
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Madkal posted:Snyder's Justice League feels like the spiritual successor to Grant Morrison's Justice League run, so if you liked G-Mos run you should like Snyder's run too. Hey all, I was going to ask a question much like the one this one answers so I’m posting now instead of finishing the thread and forgetting. After being seduced into making mine Marvel for too long (mostly in/because of the movie theater too, the shame), I’ve done some rereading of relatively modern DC classics over the last couple of weeks...G-mo JLA (incl JLA 1MM), rear end, Final Crisis, a quick thumb through the beautiful Black Glove, culminating in re-digesting Seven Soldiers over a day. (My wife once told me we couldn’t name our kid “Grant Morrison [User]”, primarily because the poor girl was already about nine when I suggested it. And no time to re-read the post-FC Dickiebats & Damien trades or Batman’s return stuff yet.) So where am I going? I need recommendations for DC. I don’t care too much about any specific characters. Solo titles or team books; it doesn’t matter. The creator doesn’t have to be G-Mo, just that he does stuff I love in the way I love it, like: *) Batshit cosmic ideas: Lingering freeform heroes’ spirit energy inhabits their future bodies to fight the total subjugation of Earth, but Darkseid gets taken down by Ray Palmer and Speedy. Or modern heroes are spirit-transported to the far future to compete in planet-themed Olympic events. Or the Superman Squad has to prepare for deep time travel! *) The big universe: it’s almost cheating to mention it but JLA 1MM has so much evocative background flavor scattered through the whole story. One thing I love about fantasy/sci-fi/superhero stories that are done well are how they make the reader feel like they are only seeing one small corner of the book they’re reading. *) Multiple threads that all wrap together reasonably. Seven Soldiers is obviously a winner here. But so was {whispers} the Infinity War movie. I stopped reading stuff regularly around 2008-2011ish, so there’s some space to dig into. Not looking for a giant pull list. I’d be happy with some suggestions for trades to look at to get myself back in reading quality stuff I’d like. Also, quick related request: I love Injustice panels that’ve been posted in FBSS. I know there’s a certain point to start the series(ses) where it/they just get(s) really good instead of primarily following the arc of the video game. Where is that point?
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X-O posted:Hard to make the wrongest post on a page where DT posted but here we are. Ha! Impulse 1-25 is a master class on teenage heroes.
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Multiversity seems like an obvious recommendation.
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Open Marriage Night posted:"No Jasons" We're allowed to have one. I'll be the one, unless you'd rather have JT. Just Jason Blood, sorry.
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Rhyno posted:Ha! Can we bring that Waid forward in time to write Champions?
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Dawgstar posted:Can we bring that Waid forward in time to write Champions? If only.
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It's double weird because it's not just like another Waid wrote Impulse, it's like another Ramos drew it. Impulse is visually such a fun, elastic, unbounded book, it reminds me of Jack Cole's Plastic Man in how it uses its character's powers to mess with how a story can be told and how it can look while still being super easy and accessible to follow, while everybody in Champions looks like a teenage Slim Jim.
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I'm still plugging away at my Infinite Crisis omnibus and I just finished the Villains United stuff with the Secret Six. That was maybe my favorite part so far. How is the Secret Six ongoing that Simone wrote afterward?
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At least in the primary circle that I discuss comics with, it was well received. I feel I would've gotten more emotional resonance reading it as it was being published though.
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I really really enjoyed Secret Six but that is because I am a sucker for anything Deadshot. Overall the stories had a good range of dark humour, action and heart. Just note that if you are a Bane fan you might be peeved by Simone's portrayal of him.
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Villains United was the highlight of all of Simone's Secret Six work, but I liked everything I read. I'm also a Deadshot mark, and I loved the friendship that grew between him and Catman.
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Also don't mess up and read New 52 Secret Six because it is downright one of the worst things I've ever read
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Dunbar posted:I'm still plugging away at my Infinite Crisis omnibus and I just finished the Villains United stuff with the Secret Six. That was maybe my favorite part so far. How is the Secret Six ongoing that Simone wrote afterward? Read the mini and the first ongoing of you like Secret Six. They are good. The second ongoing she did is not good.
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Catwoman/Sylvester & Tweety's story was way too thin for 30 pages, but props to Gail Simone for including pretty much every cat and bird related character in the DCU, including whoever the cat-guy was from Omega Men. Edit: Oh, and Ted Grant’s there in a comic for the first time in years (outside of the Earth 2 version.) And Mark Russell sure got his hands on cartoons again.  Also in Luthor/Porky we get a peek at the early days of Prez's Pharmaduke and Dr. Sivana is their Martin Shkreli. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 15:01 on Aug 29, 2018 |
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Teenage Fansub posted:Catwoman/Sylvester & Tweety's story was way too thin for 30 pages, but props to Gail Simone for including pretty much every cat and bird related character in the DCU, including whoever the cat-guy was from Omega Men. Oh my
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