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Mustached5thGrader posted:Tell us more How much dough did he spend?
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Bowling for Columbine was really bad about perpetuating the myth that Harris and Klebold were bullied sadboys who snapped rather than the psychotic, violent and abusive bullies they actually were, so.
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Aug 25, 2018 22:46
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I've always found Michael Moore's lesser known stuff to be better than the Bowling for Columbines and Fahrenheit 9/11s. It's all huge grain-of-salt stuff for sure but Sicko and Where To Invade Next were far more interesting at least and didn't feel quite as slanted against his usual targets as the other documentaries are. It's more interesting when he's for something instead of against something. So the upcoming one is pretty much one to watch just for yuks than for any kind of apt commentary. E: Also that poster is a pile of poo poo.
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Aug 25, 2018 23:10
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Roger and Me is the best one
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Aug 25, 2018 23:50
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There’s something about Moore’s films I don’t like and I can’t really put my finger on it. It’s not like I even disagree with his premise (most of the time), there’s just something off-putting about either him or the way he presents his arguments in his films.
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Aug 26, 2018 00:09
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Proteus Jones posted:There’s something about Moore’s films I don’t like and I can’t really put my finger on it. It’s not like I even disagree with his premise (most of the time), there’s just something off-putting about either him or the way he presents his arguments in his films. He does generally come across as a liberal weenie and I never like how much he inserts himself in his documentaries. If you can stomach both of those things you can at least get something out of his movies.
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Aug 26, 2018 00:11
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The biggest criticism of him IMO is that while he was promoting Capitalism A Love Story he refused to call himself a socialist.
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Aug 26, 2018 00:13
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Guy Goodbody posted:The biggest criticism of him IMO is that while he was promoting Capitalism A Love Story he refused to call himself a socialist. Arguably this is because he's not a socialist.
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Aug 26, 2018 04:21
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Moore is weird because he's been right about just about everything and ahead of the curve on issues for most of his career but because the problems he points out aren't instantly solved by him pointing them out people label him as some scummy opportunist attention whore and nitpick even the tiniest things to try and discredit him. Like the big criticisms against Bowling for Columbine are "he had an animated segment in his movie and he also had an interview with the guys who made South Park in it, obviously he wanted people to think the South Park guys did that animation even though it looks absolutely nothing like South Park" and "he didn't match a revisionist take on Columbine that was written seven years after the movie came out"Proteus Jones posted:There’s something about Moore’s films I don’t like and I can’t really put my finger on it. A lot of people work really hard to make you feel that way. I mean, remember the cottage industry of anti-Moore material that sprung up after Farenheit 9/11 or Team America calling him a fag and then having him suicide bomb the heroes because lol he's fat and angry, typical Hollyweird liberal.
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Aug 26, 2018 16:18
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Guy Mann posted:Moore is weird because he's been right about just about everything and ahead of the curve on issues for most of his career but because the problems he points out aren't instantly solved by him pointing them out people label him as some scummy opportunist attention whore and nitpick even the tiniest things to try and discredit him. Like the big criticisms against Bowling for Columbine are "he had an animated segment in his movie and he also had an interview with the guys who made South Park in it, obviously he wanted people to think the South Park guys did that animation even though it looks absolutely nothing like South Park" and "he didn't match a revisionist take on Columbine that was written seven years after the movie came out" 
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Aug 26, 2018 16:24
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I thought the big criticism of the Columbine one was the Charlton Heston interview? (I enjoyed that part even though it's been many years since I watched any Moore movies - I'm not very aware of what the controversy actually was, only that it was controversial.  )
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Aug 26, 2018 16:25
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Wheat Loaf posted:I thought the big criticism of the Columbine one was the Charlton Heston interview? I don't know if this was the controversy but there was the part with Heston walking away and Moore asking him to look at a picture of a victim of gun violence. Heston walking away and Moore holding the picture saying "look at it" looked like they were shot at different times but edited to make Heston look bad.
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Aug 26, 2018 17:04
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Wheat Loaf posted:(I enjoyed that part even though it's been many years since I watched any Moore movies - I'm not very aware of what the controversy actually was, only that it was controversial. Little did we know. Bowling was an interesting mix of nuance and spectacle. On the one hand Moore was working against casting the two boys as elemental hell demons consumed by Marilyn Manson and Violent Kill Simulators, but then you have stuff like the scene where they get a rifle for opening a bank account.
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Aug 26, 2018 17:16
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Oh, wait, was Heston known to have dementia or brain cancer whatever it was that got him at that point? It might have had to do with that. Well, regardless, my view if he is well enough to go out promoting his gun club he's probably well enough for some fat guy to get one over on him in an interview, so I don't feel terribly guilty for having found that part amusing.
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Aug 26, 2018 17:19
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On a recent rewatch, I was surprised to see how subdued the Heston encounter actually is. All the criticism the scene has received over the years made me remember it as being almost on the level of physical harassment, but Moore stays fairly polite throughout. The complaints seem to be based solely on the fact that he had the nerve to show Heston a picture of a gun victim.
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Aug 26, 2018 18:13
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Guy Mann posted:A lot of people work really hard to make you feel that way. I mean, remember the cottage industry of anti-Moore material that sprung up after Farenheit 9/11 or Team America calling him a fag and then having him suicide bomb the heroes because lol he's fat and angry, typical Hollyweird liberal. That cottage industry was directly responsible for Citizens United too
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Aug 26, 2018 18:35
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Guy Mann posted:Moore is weird because he's been right about just about everything and ahead of the curve on issues for most of his career but because the problems he points out aren't instantly solved by him pointing them out people label him as some scummy opportunist attention whore and nitpick even the tiniest things to try and discredit him. Like the big criticisms against Bowling for Columbine are "he had an animated segment in his movie and he also had an interview with the guys who made South Park in it, obviously he wanted people to think the South Park guys did that animation even though it looks absolutely nothing like South Park" and "he didn't match a revisionist take on Columbine that was written seven years after the movie came out" It wasn't rly a revisionist take in the sense that Cullen repeatedly hammers in throughout the book that the most reliable sources were those that happened immediately after the event (interviews and so on) & not once the media cycle had taken hold. So I mean, yeah - Moore was working through dominant narratives at the time, but it's not like he was missing vital pieces of info that stopped him from making a more accurate/truthful movie
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Aug 26, 2018 21:14
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theflyingexecutive posted:That cottage industry was directly responsible for Citizens United too Yep. The damage that has done is practically incalculable at this point.
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Aug 26, 2018 21:22
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Hat Thoughts posted:it's not like he was missing vital pieces of info that stopped him from making a more accurate/truthful movie
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Aug 26, 2018 21:31
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:Bowling for Columbine was really bad about perpetuating the myth that Harris and Klebold were bullied sadboys who snapped rather than the psychotic, violent and abusive bullies they actually were, so. This is really important, honestly, and a huge part that often gets glossed over. Bowling For Columbine did no favors in portraying either Harris or Klebold for the toxic assholes they actually were.
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Aug 26, 2018 21:47
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Michael Moore's documentaries rule because he's one of the few people left-of-center to realize that there are few techniques better for calling people to action than pure, unadulterated anger. Right-wingers don't have a monopoly on rage, but boy howdy do they master it.
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Aug 26, 2018 21:50
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Michael Moore owns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeOaTpYl8mE
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Aug 26, 2018 21:53
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Wow gently caress that owns so much
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FilthyImp posted:Oh yeah, that's the other part of the equation. People expected documentarians to be dry, detached and devoid of feeling, and that documentaries were strictly factual. Moore's style flies in the face of all of that so he was criticized for framing his story as a documentary. well i haven't seen it so i don't rly have a strong opinion either way but i just mean in the sense of being completely wrong about harris & klebold. i guess u could say the reality doesn't matter bcuz what he's saying works in favor of whatever overall stylistic point he's making in the movie, but uhhhh that doesn't sit right with me, personally, semper fi
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FilthyImp posted:Oh yeah, that's the other part of the equation. People expected documentarians to be dry, detached and devoid of feeling, and that documentaries were strictly factual. Moore's style flies in the face of all of that so he was criticized for framing his story as a documentary. Just call them film essays. Problem solved.
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Aug 26, 2018 23:56
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Guy Goodbody posted:Michael Moore owns Now I want a nutrageous bar.
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Aug 27, 2018 07:04
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Untrustable posted:Now I want a nutrageous bar. *points a gun at this post*
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Aug 27, 2018 07:17
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davidspackage posted:*points a gun at this post* You don't fool us, that's a wallet. BFC is a bad documentary about the Columbine shooting, sure, but the shooting itself is almost incidental to the point. The movie is about how America got to the point where not only could Columbine happen, there would be massive public outrage if afterwards you suggested strict gun control laws as had been introduced in the UK in the wake of Dunblane a few years earlier. The mistake people make is in thinking that Moore is a documentarian. He isn't; he's a counter-propagandist.
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Guy Goodbody posted:Michael Moore owns Holy gently caress, this is amazing. Bowling for Columbine is the closest of Moore's movies to just being a straight documentary. Absent a couple of parts and it's just a window into the insane gun culture of the U.S., and those parts don't tend to work anyway. I understand that he got his interview with Charleton Heston and it turns out his brain was half rotted already, but then maybe don't build that up to be the climax of your movie. It's still absolutely a pro watch, though.
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Aug 27, 2018 11:42
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Guy Goodbody posted:Michael Moore owns You’re right!!
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Aug 27, 2018 15:14
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FilthyImp posted:Oh yeah, that's the other part of the equation. People expected documentarians to be dry, detached and devoid of feeling, and that documentaries were strictly factual. Moore's style flies in the face of all of that so he was criticized for framing his story as a documentary. The three PARADISE LOST movies are a fair example of this. I think the first movie can be given a pass because it was capturing all this confusion as they unfolded, but the second and third ones really want to hammer home a narrative. The two sequels are absolutely driven by the point of view that the kids are innocent and are being railroaded by incompetent police, to the point where they disregard anything incriminating against the three.
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Guy Goodbody posted:Michael Moore owns Chris Morris >>>> Michael Moore https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ofS0PV04Ak
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:Chris Morris >>>> Michael Moore Chris Morris >>>> everyone
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No mustache, no buy.
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So much of Magnum P.I.'s success was just "people love Tom Selleck" that I don't quite get how they're planning to make any kind of reboot work.
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Dissapointed Owl posted:Chris Morris >>>> everyone I don't know this name, can someone give me the rundown? Maxwell Lord posted:So much of Magnum P.I.'s success was just "people love Tom Selleck" that I don't quite get how they're planning to make any kind of reboot work. To be fair I confused this with the Lethal Weapon reboot show that had a lot of controversy.
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Taintrunner posted:I don't know this name, can someone give me the rundown? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lhJ3YJkfcg he was suckering celebrities into looking stupid before borat made it cool Also he's just a great satirist in general, besides his work on BBC he also did Four Lions, which is the only movie I have seen portray suicide bombers in a sort of sympathetic light and get away with it, while also being really loving funny in parts. Cicadalek fucked around with this message at 05:57 on Aug 28, 2018 |
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Oh yeah, I love Four Lions, goddamn. poo poo. I'll check out his stuff!
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