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Oh hey another mass shooting, this time at a Madden 19 tournament in Jacksonville, FL. At least 4 dead, and there's reportedly video of the attack
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Bernie’s never been bad on guns as far as I’m aware
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Aug 26, 2018 20:24
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Condiv posted:Bernie’s never been bad on guns as far as I’m aware Yeah, he kinda is, up until recently he seemed OK with the status quo, and his defense was that people in Vermont like guns
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Aug 26, 2018 20:27
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He’s a good people on both sides type on guns.”Bernie Sanders” posted:“Folks who do not like guns [are] fine. But we have millions of people who are gun owners in this country — 99.9 percent of those people obey the law. I want to see real, serious debate and action on guns, but it is not going to take place if we simply have extreme positions on both sides. I think I can bring us to the middle.” He’s great on most stuff but the guns thing is problematic. I had no idea a shooting was happening when I first posted about it, but between shootings his stance on guns seems to get swept under the rug. I was hoping one of the mass shootings in the last few years had moved him off that stance, but that quote came from his website so I guess not. 
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Aug 26, 2018 20:35
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The NRA and white militias are reactionary af and America has a problem with gun violence, but you're a lovely Leftist if you want to disarm the working class. Gun control should start with the heavily militarized police and MIC, but the bourgeois state would never allow this and gun confiscation programs would be used as another excuse to attack minority communities and working class organization, just like when Reagan attacked the Black Panthers.
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Aug 26, 2018 20:41
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Aug 26, 2018 20:47
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BGrifter posted:He’s a good people on both sides type on guns. He deserves to get spit roasted for his “gun ownership in Chicago isn’t like gun ownership in Vermont” comment imo but I’m not sure what his recent actual voting record on the issue is.
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Aug 26, 2018 21:47
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Aug 26, 2018 23:12
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Mantis42 posted:The NRA and white militias are reactionary af and America has a problem with gun violence, but you're a lovely Leftist if you want to disarm the working class. Gun control should start with the heavily militarized police and MIC, but the bourgeois state would never allow this and gun confiscation programs would be used as another excuse to attack minority communities and working class organization, just like when Reagan attacked the Black Panthers. This seems like a dumb take. Disarming the "working class" is the only way and would likely decrease police violence as well. People aren't using their guns to extract concessions like better working conditions or equal representation. That's why making it a class issue seems like a convenient way for gun lovers to deflect the issue. And if guns in the hands of individuals really are the only way to protect minority communities, the US is a failed state. Lambert fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Aug 26, 2018 |
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Aug 26, 2018 23:17
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Disarmament is fine if the police are having to give their poo poo up as well. Otherwise, hell the gently caress no.
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Aug 26, 2018 23:20
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Oh Snapple! posted:Disarmament is fine if the police are having to give their poo poo up as well. Except that's not realistic at all. This is just a way of saying "you can pry my guns from mah cold dead hands", but in a nicer way. Do you think European police officers aren't armed?
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Aug 26, 2018 23:21
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Give every poor person a gun
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Aug 26, 2018 23:26
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Lambert posted:Except that's not realistic at all. This is just a way of saying "you can pry my guns from mah cold dead hands", but in a nicer way. Do you think European police officers aren't armed? The cops have a monopoly of violence already, gun control that doesn't involve disarming them just furthers the idea that despite constantly killing people for nothing and getting away with it somehow being a cop makes you inherently good enough to have a gun. Like, no, the cops that interact with people 90% of the time shouldn't have guns.
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Aug 26, 2018 23:28
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"The problem with guns is that people who aren't police or the military have them" is my favorite tack on gun control.
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Aug 26, 2018 23:29
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Oh Snapple! posted:"The problem with guns is that people who aren't police or the military have them" is my favorite tack on gun control. I've been a big fan of the ~vets for change~ types saying "SIR I CARRIED MY BIG COOL GUN IN IRAQ WHERE IT'S OK TO USE IT TO MOW DOWN KIDS, NOT HERE IN AMERICA WHERE I THINK THOSE KIDS ARE PEOPLE" personally
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Aug 26, 2018 23:32
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Isn't he only "bad" on guns because he doesn't think manufacturers should be able to be sued for the intentional misuse of their product? He still favors the same overall awb type bullshit the Dems like to push other than that one law iirc
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Aug 26, 2018 23:41
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Javid posted:Isn't he only "bad" on guns because he doesn't think manufacturers should be able to be sued for the intentional misuse of their product? He still favors the same overall awb type bullshit the Dems like to push other than that one law iirc He had some dumb stuff (like mentioned the 'vermont gun owners are different' thing was just straight old man dumb poo poo) but yea the thing Clinton hit him on (where all this came from, which is hilarious given her record) was he didn't support a bill that said we should be able to sue gun makers for mass shootings which is like...yea man that sounds real dumb. That sounds like a dumb idea.
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Aug 26, 2018 23:42
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The Vermont/Chicago thing was dumb as poo poo on his part and it's absolutely right to drag him on that. The Sandy Hook thing was dumb as poo poo, but not on his part. "Sue a manufacturer because the person who legally bought their product was murdered by her own son and had the item stolen" is the absolute dumbest thing.
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Aug 26, 2018 23:48
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Lambert posted:Disarming the "working class" is the only way and would likely decrease police violence as well. Oh right, because cops would never shoot an unarmed man 
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Aug 26, 2018 23:55
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Mantis42 posted:Oh right, because cops would never shoot an unarmed man Fortunately working people having guns is totally preventing the police from murdering black people.
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Aug 27, 2018 00:09
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Sometimes I'm not sure if we live in the hell timeline, but also the hell timeline and bizarro timeline at the same time.
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Aug 27, 2018 00:13
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Oh Snapple! posted:The Sandy Hook thing was dumb as poo poo, but not on his part. "Sue a manufacturer because the person who legally bought their product was murdered by her own son and had the item stolen" is the absolute dumbest thing. Maybe but also gently caress corporations, write the law to gently caress them in as many ways as possible even if it doesn't make sense. Also disarm the police; most of them are domestic abusers, so we'd have to take their guns either way.
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Aug 27, 2018 00:15
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Means-tested gun purchases, where you can only purchase a gun if you can demonstrate you're poor. edit: redistribute guns from the rich to the poor with a progressive gun tax
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Aug 27, 2018 00:34
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Aug 27, 2018 02:47
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The Muppets On PCP posted:"quite tearing the party apart!" i shout before i go full maga chud in 2020 after sanders gets the nomination That is so wrong, they'll vote Bloomberg.
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Aug 27, 2018 02:58
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Ytlaya posted:Means-tested gun purchases, where you can only purchase a gun if you can demonstrate you're poor. Doesn't Switzerland have some sort of citizen militia thing where everyone gets a gun but you have to undergo training and each gun is registered to the owner? I think something like that would be okay-ish.
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Aug 27, 2018 03:01
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Mantis42 posted:Doesn't Switzerland have some sort of citizen militia thing where everyone gets a gun but you have to undergo training and each gun is registered to the owner? I think something like that would be okay-ish. This would never work in the US because of our history of race politics. It would conveniently be so that areas with predominantly white people would get funded and trained appropriately while other places do not. Besides that, trying to implement Starship Trooper style compelled service isn’t going to bring about socialist revolution.
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Aug 27, 2018 03:46
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this is my favorite thing so far today besides mccain dying, cheered me up amid all the shootings
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Aug 27, 2018 04:30
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Starship Revolutionaries, the Martial Socialist Future
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StealthArcher posted:Starship Revolutionaries, the Martian Socialist Future
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Aug 27, 2018 05:36
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Thats 'People in the Peoples Land'
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Aug 27, 2018 05:49
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Mantis42 posted:Doesn't Switzerland have some sort of citizen militia thing where everyone gets a gun but you have to undergo training and each gun is registered to the owner? I think something like that would be okay-ish. Or you could just ban guns completely 
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Aug 27, 2018 11:39
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Mantis42 posted:Doesn't Switzerland have some sort of citizen militia thing where everyone gets a gun but you have to undergo training and each gun is registered to the owner? I think something like that would be okay-ish. It's undergone a bunch of changes over the years, but IIRC the current status is: "If you have successfully gone through your military service, you may apply to have your service weapon converted to semi-auto only and keep it afterwards." People interested in sport shooting tend to do that because hey, nearly-free rifle (you have to carry the cost of the conversion yourself), but most just don't bother.
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Aug 27, 2018 12:08
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Ytlaya posted:Means-tested gun purchases, where you can only purchase a gun if you can demonstrate you're poor. If this involves cutting 'em up to ensure even distribution, I'm so for it. Regarding circular firing squads, it's been fun enough watching succ fight over it in cyclical nature 
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Aug 27, 2018 12:57
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Is talking about circular firing squads, online-only tankies doing more harm to progressivism than good, etc appropriate for USPOL or is that somewhere else these days?
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Aug 27, 2018 13:00
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From all I gather, tankies are utterly irrelevant to political discourse. Not only modern leftist movements but even the media desperate for kooks to hold up as the representative of entire movements completely ignores them.
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Aug 27, 2018 13:20
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Potato Salad posted:Is talking about circular firing squads, online-only tankies doing more harm to progressivism than good, etc appropriate for USPOL or is that somewhere else these days? Not sure we have a specific thread for that; I think it would either be here or require it's own thread especially if you want to discuss them outside  If you make one, please link it here though.
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Aug 27, 2018 13:49
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Potato Salad posted:Is talking about circular firing squads, online-only tankies doing more harm to progressivism than good, etc appropriate for USPOL or is that somewhere else these days? Wait... the ones criticizing AOC and Bernie are tankies now?
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Aug 27, 2018 14:02
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No. Not exclusively, though you can see several, "I am a tankie now" posts quoting AOC, in jest. For example, maybe this was a joke Yandat posted:shut the gently caress up let us have this moment of sheer rage at the libs. im a tankie now Potato Salad fucked around with this message at 14:29 on Aug 27, 2018 |
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Mantis42 posted:The NRA and white militias are reactionary af and America has a problem with gun violence, but you're a lovely Leftist if you want to disarm the working class. Gun control should start with the heavily militarized police and MIC, but the bourgeois state would never allow this and gun confiscation programs would be used as another excuse to attack minority communities and working class organization, just like when Reagan attacked the Black Panthers. This. If you're focusing on guns as a problem you're working for the government and corps.
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